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Sadly I think we are getting close to seeing the end of Firefox here and this will not be a good thing for the web.
Well at least I am one of the people who tries to keep it alive. It is my default browser on iOS. Unfortunately Apple will only allow their rendering engine on iOS, and it is not a perfect one.

And on desktops Firefox is my main developer Browser, though I have all others for testing as well.
 
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How does Chrome get installed on so many systems?

I tried it and hated it… it bogged down quickly in my normal usage on Windows 10.

Is it because their Google account has so much of their data?
I’m thinking Chromeooks are being counted as Chrome usage.
Firefox for Windows 10. Safari for iPad only when I need text to zoom.
Opera is awful for iPad compared to Opera for Android.
Mobile browsers in general are stupid versus desktop browsers.
 
Firefox on my Mac here. Works well, and doesn't confuse security with proprietary, as does Safari. Mommy-state Apple's lack of personalization / extensions make Safari less-useful for me, and really gets up my wick.
I should also note I also have the Chromium Vivaldi browser onboard (rather than Chrome or Edge) - as it seems less-prone to confuse security with selling my info or flogging products at me, unlike those two. And it accepts the same extensions Firefox / Chrome Store does.
 
HAHAHAHA.. One day you'll learn Apple. Just make safari like chrome and people will use it. 65% is pretty d4mn telling.
 
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The data is telling. Safari's trend line has remained largely the same. The line dropping is Chrome. As people realize that Google is becoming less trustworthy they are looking for alternatives. Now you can ask "a browser for MS? Really?" But truly, if you look at what Edge phone's home with (your analytics) vs. Chrome it is a world of difference. Additionally, Edge asks. Chrome does not. Google is getting creepier as they try to hold on to market share and that's not a good look.

Usage share tends to fluctuate a bit month to month but I wouldn't say Chrome’s drop in the past year has been particularly meaningful.

Desktop usage share change from January 2021 to January 2022:
Chrome – 66.59% to 65.38%
Safari – 10.38% to 9.84%
Edge – 7.81% to 9.54%
 
I hope this motivates the Safari team to bring more Chrome features to Safari and make it more like the "other" browsers on the market so that they can claw back marketshare...
 
Edge & Safari are like IE to me - won't touch them unless absolutely necessary. As long as Firefox maintains its current support for extensions, it'll be my go-to (runs flawlessly for me)
 
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Well at least I am one of the people who tries to keep it alive. It is my default browser on iOS. Unfortunately Apple will only allow their rendering engine on iOS, and it is not a perfect one.

And on desktops Firefox is my main developer Browser, though I have all others for testing as well.
I'm waiting for the day, Firefox on iOS gets uBlock Origin, till then sadly Safari on iOS devices.
 
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I prefer to use Safari and Edge and only Chrome as a last resort.
Last time I was on the phone with my insurance company, I was trying to login through Safari and it wasn't working and they asked me to use Chrome. That really ? off. Why would you develop a website that doesn't work with the default browser on Apple devices which is the phone of choice for 70% of young people?
 
The data is telling. Safari's trend line has remained largely the same. The line dropping is Chrome.
That’s what I saw, too. Based on what we know, it’s far more likely that chrome users are switching to Edge than it is Safari users switching to Edge.
 
I love Safari and use it for everything except dev work for which I use Chrome. Safari has excellent support for web standards although, Chrome has a few things here and there that are more complete
 
I am in the process of leaving the walled garden. Apple tells you how they want you to work and use their devices. Safer. WIndows/Android are much more flexible but less safe. I will sacrifice some safety so I can use my devices (especially my phone) as I wish. BTW - Windows 10 runs great on my IMAC 21.5! (using bootcamp)
 
Considering Microsoft are currently pulling the plug on IE and forcing Edge on everyone, I'm surprised they haven't passed this milestone ages ago.

I'd rather use Safari though because quite frankly it seems to stay out of the way and not try and send me up Bing's ass or push voucher codes on me every two minutes.
 
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One of the great mysteries in life is why Firefox isn’t more popular.

Edge is the default on Windows.

Safari is the default on iOS and macOS.

Chrome is massively popular due to word of mouth and ad campaigns, including some that suggested that if you don't use it, some websites will be broken. And for a while, google.com and YouTube did "yo, why aren't you using Chrome instead" banners.

Firefox has almost none of that; they had FirefoxOS on phones but gave up on it; they've run ad campaigns but not many; they're not big.

Not much of a mystery.
 
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Today Safari failed again loading a page. All other browsers succeeded. So is Safari on its way to replace IE6 and is Monterey the next Vista?

At some point, MS had to fire Ballmer, and the time is now for Apple to do the same with Cook. If the vr headset fails, Tim will be history like Ive - oh yeah.
 
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Sacrilegious thought? Maybe Apple should use Chromium instead of WebKit. I bet Apple would sure as hell optimize Chromium better than Google has, that's for sure.
Problems with browsers when they start to use version 100 like Google Chrome and Firefox. Should happen about April/May based on their version update history.

Why can a three-digit version number be problematic?​

When browsers first reached version 10 a little over 12 years ago, many issues were discovered with User-Agent parsing libraries as the major version number went from one digit to two.

Without a single specification to follow, different browsers have different formats for the User-Agent string, and site-specific User-Agent parsing. It’s possible that some parsing libraries may have hard-coded assumptions or bugs that don’t take into account three-digit major version numbers. Many libraries improved the parsing logic when browsers moved to two-digit version numbers, so hitting the three-digit milestone is expected to cause fewer problems. Mike Taylor, an engineer on the Chrome team, has done a survey of common UA parsing libraries which didn’t uncover any issues. Running Chrome experiments in the field has surfaced some issues, which are being worked on.

Yes Safari, Edge are not at risk.
 
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