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Microsoft Executive on Apple: 'iPhone 4 Might Be Their Vista'
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Hahahahahahahahahaahah. You called me a defender of MS. If my friends from college heard you they'd all be aghast (about as aghast as if i got a job there which I have attempted cause, well, they're local and I'd like to work for a large company that has a lot of room for me to move up within the company. I don't really want to do the switching from company to company thing honestly and would rather get my foot in the door with a larger company).
I'm more just arguementative and I saw what I percieved as a flaw in the logic so I had to point it out.
Oh, yeah, and I've mellowed out on my anti-Windows/MS stance. I'll even now admit to stuff MS has done well (flight Sim, Excel, XP was pretty decent though I still prefer OSX).
I think it helps that I no longer perceive MS having to fail for Macintosh to succeed
. All I really want to see is Mac OS to succeed enough to get software developed for it. That's one thing I'm jealous of Windows (not as much anymore though), the much wider range of software options (though mainly games but I don't game much anymore so maybe that's why I'm not so jealous of that anymore. Plus after my first windows machine when I was all giddy abotu, wow, I can install this random crappy thing to personalize my computer that I couldn't with my mac and now I have all sorts of virus's and it runs like crap, I've learned that it's not all that great to be able to download random crappy thing some one has made for people to put on their computer).Man ur clueless. u think windows movie maker is the only app like that for windows? LOL
I dont believe, I know. The fastest CPUs are windows only. The fastest GPUs are windows only.
I'll give u security, no one thinks macs are worth attacking. Windows is extremely stable considering the HUGE amount of different hardware configs out there.
First of all who cares if MS makes the hardware? what difference does that make? Second "better OS" is subjective. What is objective is that windows has the fastest and largest selection of hardware. Windows runs the largest number of applications. There are a huge number of programs that have no mac equivalent, and the ones that do, typically run worse on a mac.
Hello, x86 is windows hardware. remember how mac homers used to make fun of "wintel?"
Apple.com? 5500 series xeon is neither the newest or fastest. SSDs are slower for macs. I wont even mention the sad state of GPUs for mac lol.
Ok ur absolutely right. the way apple should fix their poorly designed defective iphone 4 hardware is to have consumers pay for a case.
1. I didn't list all of the applications because that can take forever. Please remember that I have a life outside of this thread.
2. WHICH fastest CPUs are Windows only? Because last time I checked Macs and Windows computers use the same type of processor (besides AMD). http://www.apple.com/macpro/features/processor.html The Nehalem does 3.6 GHz.
3. I think I misunderstood. Did you mean that Macs run off of Intels so that is bad? I thought you meant that you can run the MacOS on a Dell or something. I'm guessing not now.
4. How are SSDs slower for Macs??? Is the SATA connection slower or something?
5. No, Apple can provide a slim bumper (not an entire case) if they want to for free. It will cost them barely anything for a little rubber band. However, iPhone users SHOULD have bought a case anyway. This is the big question: will Apple leave it to the consumers?
6. No, Mac OS is more secure because it runs on UNIX. Windows runs on MS-DOS. UNIX prevents applications from doing many things such as affecting other processes without sudo access. There is Mac malware and spyware, but you need to actually fall for a trap for them to work. There is no way to make a Mac virus that acts like a virus: replicating itsself without you opening it.
7. I'm not saying it's bad for MS to not make hardware. I was just saying it to prevent confusion.
I don't want to get into more arguments over which computer or OS is better. These numerous replies are getting hard to keep track of.
This thread is about the iPhone 4 and I will say: it's quick to fix, should be fixed anyway for most users, and can be fixed for all users without much cost by Apple. I do admit that Apple has made a mistake: they had the antenna problem in the first place.
I've been in plenty of Mac vs Windows arguments and I know that they never end
Sadly true.
Their feeble attempt to compare a mountain to a speed-bump hardly mitigates the magnitude of their own, colossal disaster.
You mean all of vistas bad points could have been cured by holding the keyboard differently?
But buying a case shouldn't be a requirement of using the phone, or Apple should provide them for free. If Apple comes out and says "hey, we screwed up, $30 off the price of the phone so you can buy a case for it" then this will more or less blow over. I'm doubting this will happen, because that's not how Apple rolls, but it would be a nice surprise.
My Final Post on this Discussion
I agree with the above comment. Microsoft IS comparing a speed bump to a mountain (and hardware to software).
As for wreckshop: A "Mac vs PC" (Mac OS vs Windows OS) argument is generally a waste of time if it's between two determined users. I have been using Windows until 2003 when I used both Mac and Windows and now I just use Mac (usually). The question is: Have you tried using a Mac every day for a while (and understanding it)?
I don't want to argue forever on this. You can ask another Mac user if you want more answers.
I agree with the above comment. Microsoft IS comparing a speed bump to a mountain (and hardware to software).
As for wreckshop: A "Mac vs PC" (Mac OS vs Windows OS) argument is generally a waste of time if it's between two determined users. I have been using Windows until 2003 when I used both Mac and Windows and now I just use Mac (usually). The question is: Have you tried using a Mac every day for a while (and understanding it)?
I don't want to argue forever on this. You can ask another Mac user if you want more answers.
8.x wasn't great, but it was 7.5 that truly sucked, nearly destroying just about the best OS ever.
Good Apple OSes:
6.0.8 (I think that was it)
7.1
Leopard
Seriously, will people stop bringing up Courier? It was never anything more than a proof of concept. I'm not even sure if there was ever so much as a real hardware prototype made. You can't call it a failure if it never existed in the first place.
5+, if at all - reinstalled XP on several friends' machines.
Vista has proven to be a bloated, resource hog, which chokes consistently while moving large files, and is chock full of annoyances (UAC, convoluted CP and menus, prone to Registry Rot, reformatting...)
XP runs more smoothly and quickly, by comparison.
Yet 78% of Windows users have managed to avoid that expense.
Agreed²
Great hommage to the Windows Experience.
He tried to imply that Vista was less disastrous than it was through this bizarre and unbalanced attempt at a comparison.
How long did
Not to mention:
Microsoft BOB
Live Search
MSN messenger
MSN Music
Windows Live Care
Windows Defender
Microsoft Passport
Windows Movie Maker
Internet Explorer
PlaysForSure
XBox360 RROD
Zune....
If Apple replace people's iPhone 4s then MS will look rather idiotic - so where was their Windows Vista free replacement to fix the issues (ie each Vista customer getting a free Windows 7 replacement)..
MS have handed Apple a perfectly loaded firearm with an off-the-cuff comment such as this..
MS have handed Apple a perfectly loaded firearm with an off-the-cuff comment such as this..
I have an iMac, Macbook, Macbook Pro, 4 iTouches, iPhone 3G and iPad 32GB, plus a Mac Pro (PPC). My business relies on it (we make commercials for a living). Apple keeps our IT budget to a minimum, compared to another similar sized firm I know that is PC based. They have to hire a fulltime PC guy to fix their problems. We don't. All issues we run into Apple can be solved by our graphic artists, editors and shooters who aren't trained Apple technicians so our IT budget is about 15% of the other firm's and yet that comes purely from the 'premium' price we pay for our Apple hardward and software. And we are glad to pay such a premium that saves us headache, gives us all the right tools and makes us look good.
Apple in my books scores 98%.
Even a Mercedes or Maserati can have one or two design issues as there is no such thing called perfection. Just go watch a couple BBC's Top Gear episodes.
Should Apple have done a better design job with this iPhone 4? Yes they should but judging from playing with one when I was down at LA's Apple Store, they've done an amazing job and I would give them the same score: 98%.
Is this media frenzy justifiable? No. Whilst there are so many junky products and yet they barely get any mention by the media. Even the media does, no one gives a toss anyway.
Do we smell envy and jealousy from other tech firms? Yes. And secretly, they all wish they've bought Apple stocks a while back.
Will I get iPhone 4? Yes. I am just waiting for it to come to Canada.
Apple in my books scores 98%.
Even a Mercedes or Maserati can have one or two design issues as there is no such thing called perfection. Just go watch a couple BBC's Top Gear episodes.
Should Apple have done a better design job with this iPhone 4? Yes they should but judging from playing with one when I was down at LA's Apple Store, they've done an amazing job and I would give them the same score: 98%.
Is this media frenzy justifiable? No. Whilst there are so many junky products and yet they barely get any mention by the media. Even the media does, no one gives a toss anyway.
Do we smell envy and jealousy from other tech firms? Yes. And secretly, they all wish they've bought Apple stocks a while back.
Will I get iPhone 4? Yes. I am just waiting for it to come to Canada.
My experiences as well - for 12 years, and thousands of $ lost to downtime, IT nightmares, de-fragging, re-installing, re-starting, Registry problems, BSODs, etc.
Went all Mac in 2003, and never looked back.
The iPhone 4 is a beautifully designed phone - blazingly fast, amazingly vivid screen, highly responsive OS, impressive camera/video, high-quality sound, a work of art.
I haven't experienced the reception problems reported here - I'll rate it 99% as of now, given the dissent.
If a fix for reception problems appears this month, then the media frenzy may turn out to be inadvertently more helpful than harmful.
Looking forward to Friday.
Huh? Vista wasn't defective. It was slow, it was power hungry, it took forever to develop, it had compatibility issues with old XP software and drivers, and it was ugly to look at, but defective it was not.
What the guy from MS means with "might be their Vista" is that this might be that one Apple product that gets a bad rep and competitors poke fun at in advertising. That one product that becomes a giant unstoppable snowball of bad publicity and ridicule.
He's not comparing the products from any technical standpoint, and "a Vista" doesn't even have to be a tech product... McDonalds could have "a Vista" on their hands if they introduced a new and much-hyped hamburger that turned out to taste like cat excrements. Burger King would of course jump on it immediately and launch a "Don't eat poo, kids." campaign. And he's not far off the mark since competitors already have pounced on the iPhone's antenna issues... Motorola has already poked fun at the iPhone 4 antenna in their ads.
Sounds like work before I changed their infrastructure to a RHEV based system running RHEL.
Downside, I get paid less now.
Once I port the Office Macros, there's no reason to use Windows.
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How long is Microsoft going to wait until they use Singularity instead of Windows?
I've been in plenty of Mac vs Windows arguments and I know that they never end
PCs have superior hardware, why you are even questioning this is beyond me.
The fastest workstation class CPU for macs are 5500 sequence Nehalem quad cores. PCs have faster 5600 sequence Westmere hex cores.
On the desktop PCs have Extreme Editions of whatever the current fastest CPU is.
The fastest SSDs from OCZ are for PC, not mac.
The fastest GPUs are PC, not mac.
Apple does make excellent cases to hold PC hand me downs, I'll give you that.
Oh and FYI, dont bother calling me a windows fanboy, I despise MS.
if one thing, all these reactions prove that mac users are amongst the most ignorant a**holes out there. Why?
Apple has been shi*ting on Vista for ages and even tho W7 came out (and yes it runs verry smooth and is stable) they still keep trashing vista.
Now a Microsoft Executive throws the ball back and he's a wanker and idiot for making a valid statement. the sheer ignorance.
guess what, he's pretty much correct in his statement that the Iphone 4 is a huge **** up, especially coming from a company, that brags about how magical and revolutionary their icrap is. i mean WTF a phone that loses conectivity if you hold it wrong... A few years ago Coca Cola gave away free Coca Cola phones (go figure), you could hold the phone just the way you'd like and it would still work, just to make a point how much they messed up. It also proves once again that Apple has lost his grip when it comes to giving the best quality for your buck.
I'm a mac user but hey, i'm not stupid...this company is taking the piss with its customers, Apple used to be good quality, now its just a Hype.
****ed up outdated overpriced computers that look good and overrated phones that don't even work. Apple can in "no way" keep up. go look at the hardware thats in Mac computers, its a big joke yet they have the balls to call it a "pro" machine, its a straight out lie. It might work for now, with all the retarded fan-boys out there but it won't work forever.
Apple has been shi*ting on Vista for ages and even tho W7 came out (and yes it runs verry smooth and is stable) they still keep trashing vista.
Now a Microsoft Executive throws the ball back and he's a wanker and idiot for making a valid statement. the sheer ignorance.
guess what, he's pretty much correct in his statement that the Iphone 4 is a huge **** up, especially coming from a company, that brags about how magical and revolutionary their icrap is. i mean WTF a phone that loses conectivity if you hold it wrong... A few years ago Coca Cola gave away free Coca Cola phones (go figure), you could hold the phone just the way you'd like and it would still work, just to make a point how much they messed up. It also proves once again that Apple has lost his grip when it comes to giving the best quality for your buck.
I'm a mac user but hey, i'm not stupid...this company is taking the piss with its customers, Apple used to be good quality, now its just a Hype.
****ed up outdated overpriced computers that look good and overrated phones that don't even work. Apple can in "no way" keep up. go look at the hardware thats in Mac computers, its a big joke yet they have the balls to call it a "pro" machine, its a straight out lie. It might work for now, with all the retarded fan-boys out there but it won't work forever.
On one hand Microsoft and google are bribing app developers and device makers respectively to pick them
And on a side note, there is this out of proportion hoobraha about the iPhone antenna I smell something fishy.
Once I thought, competition is all great and good in driving innovation. But suddenly I have a bitter taste that if competition takes a vicious turn with bribery, mud slinging, fear mongering, and such, Apple would be forced to retaliate in those terms even if not, this is going to be considerable distraction for them to deal with. I hope Apple continues to ignore these idiots and keeps to trailblaze as it has done in the last 9 years.
And on a side note, there is this out of proportion hoobraha about the iPhone antenna I smell something fishy.
Once I thought, competition is all great and good in driving innovation. But suddenly I have a bitter taste that if competition takes a vicious turn with bribery, mud slinging, fear mongering, and such, Apple would be forced to retaliate in those terms even if not, this is going to be considerable distraction for them to deal with. I hope Apple continues to ignore these idiots and keeps to trailblaze as it has done in the last 9 years.
ah please man, cut the bull,Apple has always played windows out. whenever there's a windows - mac topic, vista shows up. everybody knows Vista is a really really bad OS. including microsoft. on the other hand Apple made his share of crap products also...Imac: yellow screen, MacPro a 4000$ machine with a 50$ graphics card and 6GB memory, a straight rip-off, heck the cpu's they use in those machines coast 300$. Macbook Pro: outdated specs, nothing pro about it, its a basic computer, wake up! Iphone4 disaster all the way,allot of hoopla over nothing, on the contrary it doesn't even work. Yet Apple claims its still magical and ahead of any other telephone out there, HA! what a joke. next you have the fanboys, bunch of creeps if you ask me, if Apple was to release a bag of icrap they would still claim it to be the best crap ever produced,and make them selfs look stupid for arguing that it "realy is the best crap out there with a magical smell to it. idiots
ive been using Macs forever but i kind of had it with this rip-off company, next computer will be a windows machine, windows 7 is right up there with MACOS, and if i want it to look like mac i'll just customize it, no biggie. thing is, when i pay 4000$ for a machine i want a 4000$ machine, not a 1000$ machine with a 4000$ price tag and outdated hardware (macpro)
for my itoys like ipods, ill stick to Apple,
Toys=Apple
REAL computers with bang for your buck = custom build Windows machine
if you think this is bull*hit than get you head out of your as* and seek some help for you are not thinking straight, Apple has you brainwashed
Capitalize on the Opportunity
I don't understand why so many people are trashing Microsoft. Apple has been poking fun of MS for years; it's all in the spirit of competition. Microsoft has this brief window of opportunity; they're taking it. Good for them!!!
I don't understand why so many people are trashing Microsoft. Apple has been poking fun of MS for years; it's all in the spirit of competition. Microsoft has this brief window of opportunity; they're taking it. Good for them!!!