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Microsoft Launches New Ad Comparing MacBook Air to Lenovo's Convertible Yoga 3 Pro Laptop

When the iPad was first released I was certain Apple would be the first to do this. Make the mac book air (just the air not the pro) into a tablet laptop hybrid. I guess that would cut into their iPad sales though.
 
Michael Goff said:
Except neither OS is better than the other.



Not any more than smartphones are.

My point was more that sales don't make it better, nor do profits. A better product is a better product, regardless.
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even better you proved my point for me thanks.

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lightz39 said:
When the iPad was first released I was certain Apple would be the first to do this. Make the mac book air (just the air not the pro) into a tablet laptop hybrid. I guess that would cut into their iPad sales though.
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Apple stated numerous times that it has no problem cannibalizing it's own products.
 
JAT said:
Well, that's a change from your usual mantra.

Still wrong. But allow me to have my opinion based on years of using both and you can think whatever you want, too.
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No, I've pretty much always said that. I make jokes here about OS X sometimes and I make Windows 8 jokes on Windows Central. I defend Windows here sometimes and defend OS X on Windows Central at times.
 
Lenovo Yoga 3 vs. MacBook Air...

I love cars and I'm a huge BMW M3/M4 fan, specifically. I like it when MB, Audi, Infiniti, Lexus and other step up their game to compete with an M3/M4, because BMW then has to step up their game, instead of just resting on their laurels.......

Same here, with the Lenovo Yoga 3 vs. MacBook Air.

While yes, we all prefer OS X and iOS to Windows, I think it's perfectly suitable that they compare the two 'laptops.'

I went online and looked at specs... (And yes, there are plenty of arguments to be made in favor of the MBA, too.)

When I priced out a 13" Yoga 3 it was $1,299 @ Best Buy... A 13" MBA w/ the same SSD (256 GB) and RAM (8 GB) is ALSO $1,299. We should always try to compare apples to apples, right? Starting prices of MBAs are lower, obviously, @ $899, but let's compare same screen size. Likewise, the Yoga 3 has a higher resolution, @ 3200x1800 vs. the MBA @2560x1600.

Not everyone wants a 2-in-1, but I for one have been hoping that all of the 12.2 or 12.9" touchscreen rumors point to a hybrid laptop/tablet, and not just an "iPad Pro." Either with dual operating systems (OS X "Sepulveda Blvd" and iOS 9) or a touch-screen OS X "Compton" or something... lol.

Thoughts?
 
Michael Goff said:
Nah, more like a quarter. Another quarter will be attacking the ad itself. The third quarter will be people explaining about how it is irrelevant.

And in those posts, a huge portion will be attacking Windows for some reason (usually without reason)
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It seems your annoyed by people on an Apple Enthusiasts board attacking Windows? Looking at your signarue makes me wonder why.....
 
JAT said:
Well, that's a change from your usual mantra.

Still wrong. But allow me to have my opinion based on years of using both and you can think whatever you want, too.
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Neither OS is objectively better. But both are better for differnet things. Apple has clearly foregone making OSX usable in an enterprise environment, and Microsoft clearly dropped the ball when releasing Windows 8. The upgrade to 8.1 is vastly superior to 8, and I now prefer it to Windows 7, but I prefer OSX for daily use.

I wish Microsoft would have made Windows 8 for both tablet and desktop, but separated the functionality a bit more. On the desktop, I have tablet features I don't want. That's why I think Apple could really succeed with a hybrid device by creating seamless experience between OSX and iOS.

I;'m not a fanboy of either platform, I just wanna see competition result in a better product for me to purchase. The Surface seems to be pushing in that direction. Hopefully Apple notices in the next year or two.
 
HenryDJP said:
Says the person who's not running the Mac OS or an Apple computer, but rather a Windows OS and Surface Pro 3. :rolleyes:
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More like: Says the person who was running OS X (Yosemite, even) until the Surface Pro 3 came in. But let's not let facts get in the way.

HenryDJP said:
It seems your annoyed by people on an Apple Enthusiasts board attacking Windows? Looking at your signarue makes me wonder why.....
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Not annoyed. I rarely get annoyed around here. I'm more amused than anything else.
 
Renzatic said:
All these people are quoting this article, but it seems more like they're griping about Intel possibly dropping the ball on Broadwell M processors (which could effect MBAs) than they are about the quality of the machine itself.
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I’m not saying Core M/Broadwell doesn’t have a problem. It’s possible that these weak performance figures and throttling issues are either caused by Intel drivers or by overly aggressive chip positioning. More laptop launches and reviews will establish which of these is actually the problem, but if I had to bet, I’d bet that the issues are mostly on Lenovo’s side. The CPU/SoC, for all its complexity, is still just one component in a complex system — and too many of the laptop’s issues may have little to do with the CPU core. Wall socket power consumption suggests, for example, that the chip does draw 3-4W in light workloads — well in line with Intel’s estimates.
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Sometimes it helps to read to the end of the article for the conclusions. They recognize that it might be Intel's fault, but that's hardly the way the article leans.

Besides, even if Intel is the problem, why would they release a machine that isn't better than the previous generation's version under many circumstances? Why give an grossly inflated battery life figure that nobody can even hope to achieve under normal usage? It's Lenovo's product, so they are ultimately responsible for its performance.
 
ee4life said:
Besides, even if Intel is the problem, why would they release a machine that isn't better than the previous generation's version under many circumstances? Why give an grossly inflated battery life figure that nobody can even hope to achieve under normal usage? It's Lenovo's product, so they are ultimately responsible for its performance.
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You could replace this with an equivalent analysis of the 'new' Mac Mini.
 
Michael Goff said:
More like: Says the person who was running OS X (Yosemite, even) until the Surface Pro 3 came in. But let's not let facts get in the way.
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Facts? Oh by all means please show us your FACTS. And please don't bother pointing me to previous posts of yours talking about the Macs you've "owned". That proves nada. I could tell you I'm the president of the United States over the internet. :p
 
I dig the touch screen on the laptop. For sure there will need to be some adjustments in the OSX UI, but seems like a natural progression for the Air.
 
ee4life said:
Sometimes it helps to read to the end of the article for the conclusions. They recognize that it might be Intel's fault, but that's hardly the way the article leans.

Besides, even if Intel is the problem, why would they release a machine that isn't better than the previous generation's version under many circumstances? Why give an grossly inflated battery life figure that nobody can even hope to achieve under normal usage? It's Lenovo's product, so they are ultimately responsible for its performance.
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This is very true, but considering the thing is a complete regression across the board, while not being too terribly different in design or function than the Yoga 2 Pro, it does seem to point towards the processor/mobo more than anything.

Though it could simply be a driver issue.

The only way we'll know who screwed up what is when other Broadwell equipped ultrabooks start coming out. If they all perform better than their previous generation, it's Lenovo's fault. If they're all a step back from Haswell, it's Intel's.

...and if it's the latter, that doesn't bold well for the 12" retina MBA.
 
HenryDJP said:
Facts? Oh by all means please show us your FACTS. And please don't bother pointing me to previous posts of yours talking about the Macs you've "owned". That proves nada. I could tell you I'm the president of the United States over the internet. :p
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So, basically, nothing I can say or do will prove anything to you. I could show you pictures of my Mac, now being used by my sister sitting beside me. I could show you the email that I had of it shipping to me. But none of that is relevant if you don't want to see it.
 
It currently beats the Air in the resolution department. Touch on a laptop can be handy when on a couch or some such thing, otherwise it is awkward.
 
SvP said:
When is Microsoft going to realise it's not just about the specs... it's about certain details; details like not-crap software on beautifully crafted machines. Giving you the impression someone actually cared about your happiness.

(edit, added "just" for clarification)
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I don't think MS get the 'user experience' bit. I recently bought a Dell M4800, long story but I need 32GB in a laptop as a mobile VM lab. Reinstalling Windows on a laptop that is supposed to be ISV certified (i.e. best in class hardware apparently with driver support to match), proved to be a right pain in the ass. I eventually got Windows 8 working but had to guess which drivers I needed from the Dell website. I know this isn't entirely MS's fault, Dell are partly to blame too but between the two of them they failed - there is no recovery option to download the OS and all the relevant drivers from the internet. It too a full day to install the OS, drivers, a ton of updates and all my apps.

Just out of curiosity, I put another SSD in there and tested an Ubuntu 14.10 installation. It installed in under an hour and EVERYTHING just worked out of the box. The only additional app I needed to install was VMware Workstation and then copy over some data.

Microsoft, that's pretty sad when free software has overtaken you in your core market. The only reason I can think to run Windows on the desktop is Visio.
 
I find it so amuzing that many people on MR constantly say Apple is far behind it's competition, yet Apple's competition feels otherwise with these constant ads against the MBA. I mean, Windows already has a dominance (but mostly because people are forced to use it or it's the only thing that's installed on cheap junk laptops) so if Apple's competitors have such a better product that is so far ahead of Apple then they wouldn't need to consistently compare it to the MBA. :)

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Michael Goff said:
So, basically, nothing I can say or do will prove anything to you. I could show you pictures of my Mac, now being used by my sister sitting beside me. I could show you the email that I had of it shipping to me. But none of that is relevant if you don't want to see it.
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Correct, every single bit of it is irrelevant when you decided to use the term "FACTS".
 
shaunp said:
I don't think MS get the 'user experience' bit. I recently bought a Dell M4800, long story but I need 32GB in a laptop as a mobile VM lab. Reinstalling Windows on a laptop that is supposed to be ISV certified (i.e. best in class hardware apparently with driver support to match), proved to be a right pain in the ass. I eventually got Windows 8 working but had to guess which drivers I needed from the Dell website. I know this isn't entirely MS's fault, Dell are partly to blame too but between the two of them they failed - there is no recovery option to download the OS and all the relevant drivers from the internet. It too a full day to install the OS, drivers, a ton of updates and all my apps.

Just out of curiosity, I put another SSD in there and tested an Ubuntu 14.10 installation. It installed in under an hour and EVERYTHING just worked out of the box. The only additional app I needed to install was VMware Workstation and then copy over some data.

Microsoft, that's pretty sad when free software has overtaken you in your core market. The only reason I can think to run Windows on the desktop is Visio.
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That's my biggest problem with Windows, and something that Apple definitely does right.

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HenryDJP said:
I find it so amuzing that many people on MR constantly say Apple is far behind it's competition, yet Apple's competition feels otherwise with these constant ads against the MBA. I mean, Windows already has a dominance (but mostly because people are forced to use it or it's the only thing that's installed on cheap junk laptops) so if Apple's competitors have such a better product that is so far ahead of Apple then they wouldn't need to consistently compare it to the MBA. :)

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Correct, every single bit of it is irrelevant when you decided to use the term "FACTS".
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Interesting. So, basically, you're going to continue to act as though me posting about my MBA for TWO YEARS was some elaborate ploy. The times I praised, and still do praise, the MBA are just for laughs? Or is it because this time I'm not all aflutter and quickly saying how horrible the other offering is?
 
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