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^But Windows never had to support different CPU architectures, so your point is moot.

His bitterness goes way back to sometime around May of this year, when he informed everyone that he spent $10,000+ on PowerPC equipment (of his own money), apparently just prior to Apple's announcement of their move to Intel. So we're talking sometime before June 2005. And now, in summer of 2009, we've got support for PPC removed.

His frustration doesn't arise so much from the fact that Apple removed PPC support 4 years after the architecture was discontinued, but that his personal $10,000+ investment is now apparently worthless and he can't play with Apple's shiny new OS.
 
Nevermind that most $800+ Pc's come with 2 years of free antivirus, but you get the idea...

I'd rather have a virus on my computer than have that "free antivirus software" that comes preloaded on Walmart PCs (which is often simply a 30-day trial.) ;)
 
Unless they don't have the money (or parents who won't give them any). ;) I know plenty of students who would love to have a Mac but had to get a Toshiba or Acer instead, and are none too happy with being stuck with it.

Being tight on money sucks in a ridiculous number of ways.

How true.
 
Oh, and both are $30, so I may actually buy Windows 7 and check it out since I'm in a ticked off at Apple mood lately.

Windows 7 will run for 30 days without a key, so no charge to try it out.


^But Windows never had to support different CPU architectures, so your point is moot.

Oh really?
  • 16-bit x86 (DOS/Win3.1)
  • 32-bit x86 (Win9x/NT)
  • 64-bit x64 (NT)
  • 64-bit IA64 (XP (dropped)/NT Server)
  • 32-bit/64-bit Alpha (32-bit retail sales through NT4, 64-bit dropped during Win2000 FT)
  • 32-bit Power PC (retail sales through NT3.51)
  • SPARC (demo'd, never sold)
  • Clipper (demo'd, never sold)
 
I think this is an extremely shrewd move by Microsoft.

A lot of students buy Macs and if W7 is only £30 it's a good reason to try it out and use it on the Mac. Remember, Microsoft doesn't care what hardware you use Windows on so it's a moot point whether the student is using a Dell or a Mac from their point of view if they're running W7 on it.
 
I think this is an extremely shrewd move by Microsoft.

A lot of students buy Macs and if W7 is only £30 it's a good reason to try it out and use it on the Mac. Remember, Microsoft doesn't care what hardware you use Windows on so it's a moot point whether the student is using a Dell or a Mac from their point of view if they're running W7 on it.

You mean "if they've paid for running W7 on it", right? ;)
 
I think this is an extremely shrewd move by Microsoft.

A lot of students buy Macs and if W7 is only £30 it's a good reason to try it out and use it on the Mac. Remember, Microsoft doesn't care what hardware you use Windows on so it's a moot point whether the student is using a Dell or a Mac from their point of view if they're running W7 on it.

Don't forget the fact that if you are using 10.6 (or 3.0/3.1 iPhone OS) MS is still getting paid (Exchange ActiveSync...). So MS is pretty happy pretty much anyway you slice it.
 
Unless they don't have the money (or parents who won't give them any). ;) I know plenty of students who would love to have a Mac but had to get a Toshiba or Acer instead, and are none too happy with being stuck with it.

Being tight on money sucks in a ridiculous number of ways.

thats because those kids generally only care about what their computer looks like, not what it can actually do. the majority of students are obviously only using their mac for chatting/email/youtube/twitter/facebook. oh and occasionally for note taking. i teach at the local university here and this is pretty much all i see on students screens in various classrooms.

their parents don't realize they can do the exact same thing with a cheaper machine (albeit with better specs). in general, if people were actually educated about what was actually in a mac vs other notebooks, i could easily see mac sales completely drop.

unfortunately we live in a world where technology is surpassing what the general populace can understand. so they just buy whatever they see is the flashiest on tv.

its utterly hilarious to see braindead fanboys like *LTD* talk about a macbook like it was some 'premium' computer purely because the price point is set higher. ferrari's are much more expensive than 'normal' cars because of its internal hardware (insane horsepower etc etc). there is absolutely NOTHING in a macbook that you can't get for much cheaper but at equivalent spec for a pc/laptop.

case in point are the ridiculous RAM upgrades that apple tries to charge you on their website (to upgrade from 4gig of ram to 8 gig of ram costs you $1000!!!). are you seriously thinking their ram is a 'premium' over 'normal' ram?
 
Well, in the words of my good friend LDS... LSD... BLT, (whatever his name is)... Vista users are just stupid retards.

On the other hand, I can't help but wonder how many of those Vista users merely found the OS on the machines they bought. (Along with their free trials of Norton AV, AOL and a 30 day subscription to Mavis Beacons typing lessons - all loading unobtrusively at startup of course.)

People that use Vista are stupid retards? How so? Are people that use XP or 7 stupid retards as well? People that can only afford or only need $300 computers are stupid retards? Preinstalled software is manufacture specific, so it's MS's fault that they allow HP, etc to install software? Of course I'm sure if MS tried to do that they would be sued for being anti-competitive.
 
People that use Vista are stupid retards? How so?

Don't get your panties in a wad friend. My sarcasm was based on the words of a juvenile poster up the line.

Preinstalled software is manufacture specific, so it's MS's fault that they allow HP, etc to install software?
Fair enough. And I'll even go one better. I purchased a Dell over a year ago preloaded with Vista and it did not have one iota of crapware to be found.
 
Well..

15 hours after I ask the question, and all we see are 3 pages of fanboi drivel.. and we wonder why people are getting tired of it.

So I'm going to ask again, and hopefully someone out there will know the answer to it, as any other search I've done has come up with nothing. So here goes again.

I'm close to purchasing this (faculty at Univ. of Nevada). I have XP running, plus my SO (college student, .edu address) has Vista on her PC laptop (64bit). She buys it, she upgrades, she's golden.

If I buy it (whether Home Premium or Professional), I should NOT be able to do a clean install on my XP box, right? Secondly, say I want to preserve that XP install, and swap out that drive with another. Now that should put me at no choice but to do that clean install. Would this upgrade DVD that they're selling provide that?

BL.
 
If I buy it (whether Home Premium or Professional), I should NOT be able to do a clean install on my XP box, right? Secondly, say I want to preserve that XP install, and swap out that drive with another. Now that should put me at no choice but to do that clean install. Would this upgrade DVD that they're selling provide that?

BL.

The UK site states that you can install it over XP or Vista as an upgrade so I doubt you'll be able to do a clean install here.
 
Well..

15 hours after I ask the question, and all we see are 3 pages of fanboi drivel.. and we wonder why people are getting tired of it.

So I'm going to ask again, and hopefully someone out there will know the answer to it, as any other search I've done has come up with nothing. So here goes again.

I'm close to purchasing this (faculty at Univ. of Nevada). I have XP running, plus my SO (college student, .edu address) has Vista on her PC laptop (64bit). She buys it, she upgrades, she's golden.

If I buy it (whether Home Premium or Professional), I should NOT be able to do a clean install on my XP box, right? Secondly, say I want to preserve that XP install, and swap out that drive with another. Now that should put me at no choice but to do that clean install. Would this upgrade DVD that they're selling provide that?

BL.

honestly how hard did you even search? a quick google brings up this:

http://www.blogsdna.com/3217/step-by-step-guide-to-upgrade-windows-xp-to-windows-7.htm
 
They are these days. They make a touchscreen phone that does Internet, then everyone else does. They make the App Store, then everyone and their dog comes out with a version. They come up with OS features, then BOOM Microsoft breaks out the Vista photocopier (which must be broken, because all the reliability disappeared from the features as they were copied).

Anyway, you get the idea.

No one claimed that Apple invented the GUI.

We can only really go by what's on the shelf and what gets into users' hands, and when.

Look at what Apple has rolled out since 2001. Now look at what everyone else has rolled out. One wonders where the R&D money of the also-rans is going. Coffee? New chairs? Photocopiers?

Apple introduces the iPhone, and now we have all these look-alikes, knockoffs, also-rans attempting to ape the same design and business model. Had Apple not released the iPhone in 2007, one wonders how long it would have taken the rest of the industry to offer a capacitive touch smartphone that is even remotely as easy to use.

Same for MP3 players/PMPs. You like the Zune HD? You like its nice capacitive touch screen and usable interface? Had Apple not redefined the market in 2007 with the iPod Touch, you know when you'd have seen a device like that? Microsoft and the rest of the industry needs Apple. The entire tech sector needs Apple.

Same for the App Store. They were there before, but who really knew or even cared? Apple releases the App Store, then everyone jumps on board. iTunes as well.

Ditto for all-in-ones. Thin notebooks. They've been done before, but as you've noticed, when Apple releases something, it becomes popular or idolized as the Gold Standard, which prompts everyone else to attempt to cash in.

So really, for the past decade, it's been monkey-see-monkey-do with the also-rans. Where Apple leads, everyone else loves to follow. Why? Because Apple takes a proactive approach to technology. The rest are reactive.

Of course, I could be wrong. But if I was, Apple wouldn't be ruling or setting the standard for nearly every segment of the market in which they've chosen to participate: notebooks, operating systems, media players, mobile phones, media software, etc. Apple specializes in the consumer market and knows exactly what the next big phenomenon wil be. This is borne out by their numbers, quarterly results, performance in the Premium end of the market, and stock performance. Apple is recession-proof, and that includes their Mac line.

Outperform. That's what Apple is all about these days. Small wonder why consumers lust after their products.

It isn't difficult to see what's been going on. When Steve Ballmer stands up in a room full of Macs and says "we have more work to do . . . we have more work to do", he isn't kidding. He isn't just speaking for MS. He's speaking for the entire industry.

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.p...ts_25000_raise_as_company_profit_plummets_17/
 
Don't forget the fact that if you are using 10.6 (or 3.0/3.1 iPhone OS) MS is still getting paid (Exchange ActiveSync...). So MS is pretty happy pretty much anyway you slice it.

Microsoft would hardly be happy if everyone switched to OS X, even if they did get a small cut for Exchange/ActiveSync. This licensing fee is but a small concession prize for everyone that dumps Windows and moves to OS X. A concession prize with which Microsoft can't be overly pleased.
 
Well..

15 hours after I ask the question, and all we see are 3 pages of fanboi drivel.. and we wonder why people are getting tired of it.

So I'm going to ask again, and hopefully someone out there will know the answer to it, as any other search I've done has come up with nothing. So here goes again.

I'm close to purchasing this (faculty at Univ. of Nevada). I have XP running, plus my SO (college student, .edu address) has Vista on her PC laptop (64bit). She buys it, she upgrades, she's golden.

If I buy it (whether Home Premium or Professional), I should NOT be able to do a clean install on my XP box, right? Secondly, say I want to preserve that XP install, and swap out that drive with another. Now that should put me at no choice but to do that clean install. Would this upgrade DVD that they're selling provide that?

BL.

Windows 7 upgrade from XP REQUIRES a clean install. You will have to save ALL of your files, programs, docs, etc to a alternative drive, and then transfer them back after a fresh re-format. This information is easily found at the microshaft web site. Faculty eh? :rolleyes:
 
And once again if you're unfortunate enough to be from a small country like New Zealand - you miss out on the special. There is a laundry list of reasons why I shifted my PC's to Archlinux and this announcement simply is another thing I can add to the list.
 
Alot of us need to know

Sorry - what does this have to do with Mac?

This place is more obsessed with Zune and Win7 than anywhere else on the web.

You must rmember that we are now paying Apple a premium price for a Windows computer that will also boot & run the Mac OS. It is not the other way around. This means that many of us loyal Mac Users must also use the Windows computer as it was designed, i.e. with the Windows OS.

You may be one that can live without Windows. Good for you. If I would get around to writing my own efile program for doing income taxes I could probably join you, but until then I need to run Windows on a daily schedule.

If we can get our copy of Windows for $29 all the better. Most of the time that I am a student I can get the Windows OS for free or a few $'s for a disk.

I still have only computers sold to me by Apple. It is just that the new one will do a good job of running Windows. So if Apple built it, it needs to be used for everything that it can do. That means that the Windows OS is included in that.
 
Windows 7 upgrade from XP REQUIRES a clean install. You will have to save ALL of your files, programs, docs, etc to a alternative drive, and then transfer them back after a fresh re-format. This information is easily found at the microshaft web site. Faculty eh? :rolleyes:

If you attempt to install Windows 7 over an existing Windows installation it will notify you that all of your documents and programs will be moved to a folder called Windows.old which will let you retrieve whatever you want :]
 
You must rmember that we are now paying Apple a premium price for a Windows computer that will also boot & run the Mac OS. It is not the other way around. This means that many of us loyal Mac Users must also use the Windows computer as it was designed, i.e. with the Windows OS.

You may be one that can live without Windows. Good for you. If I would get around to writing my own efile program for doing income taxes I could probably join you, but until then I need to run Windows on a daily schedule.

If we can get our copy of Windows for $29 all the better. Most of the time that I am a student I can get the Windows OS for free or a few $'s for a disk.

I still have only computers sold to me by Apple. It is just that the new one will do a good job of running Windows. So if Apple built it, it needs to be used for everything that it can do. That means that the Windows OS is included in that.


TurboTax also works on the Mac using Mac OSX. I used TurboTax for over a decade on my PCs and have used it for the past couple of years on my MacPro without Windows.

I just noticed you use your own home-spun tax software. Hopefully you will find time to write your own for your Mac... or use TurboTax.
 
This sounds like 2nd page news... Or 52nd page news...

What does this have to do with Apple? I think I would be happier hearing about an update on the iTablet...
 
And once again if you're unfortunate enough to be from a small country like New Zealand - you miss out on the special. There is a laundry list of reasons why I shifted my PC's to Archlinux and this announcement simply is another thing I can add to the list.

Not having a crappy, over protective market regulator makes up for it... :rolleyes:

Do you want to help me get rid of renaissance?
 
Windows 7 upgrade from XP REQUIRES a clean install. You will have to save ALL of your files, programs, docs, etc to a alternative drive, and then transfer them back after a fresh re-format. This information is easily found at the microshaft web site. Faculty eh? :rolleyes:

That, I know. But that sorta defeats the purpose of an UPGRADE DVD. an 'upgrade' means that you have something that can be upgraded to something newer. If XP requires a clean installation, would the DVD contain everything for a 'clean' installation? If so, it isn't an upgrade, but a full installation media.

And yes, faculty. Sounds like you have a problem with it. Too bloody bad. Nobody said that faculty couldn't take classes either, you know.

BL.
 
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