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Fusion doesn't support 64bit yet. Maybe that will help your decision. :)

I had W7 64 running on my MBP under fusion. And that was an outdated version of fusion and Leopard. So it may not be supported, but it works (W7 recognized my 4 Gb of RAM, so it was 64 bit)
 

Have you tried cross compiling COMPLEX High-Level C derived programs?.. On different desktops? Unix has disproved your moot point. Pure Unix/BSD/Linux/Minix can cross compiled with ease. Windows is no different, as the abstraction layers are laid upon the kernel. (C# Libraries Win32, .Net ETC)

You don't half post some entertaining rubbish :)

You know windows runs on tonnes of embedded devices too right? Strangely, they're not all x86 based either.

They also dont run "Windows". They run something called Windows CE but it is not "Windows". Our argument is semantics, not technology.

*Snip, C# In-house Coding Book

Windows CE is a distinctly different operating system and kernel, rather than a trimmed-down version of desktop Windows. It is not to be confused with Windows XP Embedded which is NT-based. "Windows CE" is supported on Intel x86 and compatibles, MIPS, ARM, and Hitachi SuperH processors.
 
Have you tried cross compiling COMPLEX programs? On different desktops, Unix has disproved your moot point.

You do realise that IA64 is sufficiently different to other designs in use that it requires significant resources to efficiently port and develop for yes? To state that it is just another Intel standard, and therefore imply that porting code between the platforms is a simple task reeks of ignorance and hastily skimmed through wakipedia 'articles'.

Anyway, this whole 'discussion' was brought up by somebody incorrectly stating that Windows has never had to run on anything other than x86, a claim that has easily been shown as incorrect. Whether the uninformed think something counts or not.

No offence kid, but looking at some of your recent posts: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/770653/ (being a prime example) I would not say you are able to talk about coding and porting from a position of authority.
 
i'm not a student so i will not buy such piece of crap software at such a high price.

yeah i know windows7 is the best windows ever.

i tested it and i can asure you: it's not. - it's still xp
 
i'm not a student so i will not buy such piece of crap software at such a high price.

yeah i know windows7 is the best windows ever.

i tested it and i can asure you: it's not. - it's still xp

You could have got it for $45 on pre-order. Which you would have known if you actually had tested it - and, of course, you would still be using the RC which is free for a year.

Troll different.

As for the argument about platform support. As I recall NT 4.0 ran on a variety of platforms. It also had an embedded version which is not to be confused with CE.
 
LOL.. It's a Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 2.2GHZ with 4gb ram, and it's still a POS..:D

mines an E4500 as well, except i overclocked it to 3.14GHz and i use PC1066 ram. blazing fast to me with 2x 500GB in stripe and a Quatro 1700 card.

maybe you should learn how to maintain a computer first. my computer boots in less than 45 seconds, thats from power off to inside the XP Desktop with NO HDD activity (the loading bar doesnt even go across once), please show me 1 Mac that can do that.
 
maybe you should learn how to maintain a computer first.

Why the hell should I? Why should anyone? It isn't a car.

Why should there be a learning curve? If there is a solution that requires no maintenance and no substantial learning curve on my part, why the hell wouldn't I choose that?
 
Why the hell should I? Why should anyone? It isn't a car.

Why should there be a learning curve? If there is a solution that requires no maintenance and no substantial learning curve on my part, why the hell wouldn't I choose that?

"What? Why should I learn how to take care of something?"
 
Why the hell should I? Why should anyone? It isn't a car.

My car's CD drive works perfectly unlike my Macbook's.

Why should there be a learning curve? If there is a solution that requires no maintenance and no substantial learning curve on my part, why the hell wouldn't I choose that?

That's why most people choose Windows.
 
That's why most people choose because of work, had been forced to tolerate Windows.
Few people have actually chosen Windows, and most are more than willing to abandon it once they've been presented with a far less complicated, less problematic, and a more sensible, intuitive, and overall, superior choice.
 
Few people have actually chosen Windows, and most are more than willing to abandon it once they've been presented with a far less complicated, less problematic, and a more sensible, intuitive, and overall, superior choice.

Wouldn't all home users then choose Macs due to them being so easy? I mean outside of work they do have a choice and from what it seems they still choose Windows. Why is that?
 
Wouldn't all home users then choose Macs due to them being so easy? I mean outside of work they do have a choice and from what it seems they still choose Windows. Why is that?
Up until recently, Legacy software (MS) and other Windows only apps required for work, only ran on Windows OS, and many prefer the option to work at home, when necessary. Being that Windows had been the only OS most had experienced, the comfort level of purchasing a Win machine for home use seemed the congruous choice. As more people have come to experience Mac, OS X, iPhone, etc., via the Apple Stores, word of mouth, this trend has been changing, and more home users appear to be choosing Macs than ever before.
 
Wouldn't all home users then choose Macs due to them being so easy? I mean outside of work they do have a choice and from what it seems they still choose Windows. Why is that?

Could be any number of reasons . . . ignorance, money issues, fear of leaving a platform they feel tied to, or they're simply PC people - gamers, tinkerers, etc. Or they just don't care one way or the other.
 
Could be any number of reasons . . . ignorance, money issues, fear of leaving a platform they feel tied to, or they're simply PC people - gamers, tinkerers, etc. Or they just don't care one way or the other.

Gaming and user serviceability are the main reasons I stick with PCs and Windows.
 
Up until recently, Legacy software (MS) and other Windows only apps required for work, only ran on Windows OS, and many prefer the option to work at home, when necessary. Being that Windows had been the only OS most had experienced, the comfort level of purchasing a Win machine for home use seemed the congruous choice. As more people have come to experience Mac, OS X, iPhone, etc., via the Apple Stores, word of mouth, this trend has been changing, and more home users appear to be choosing Macs than ever before.

Many people do not use computers for work. And many that do, do not work from home. You sound like you work for Apple.
 
Many people do not use computers for work. And many that do, do not work from home. You sound like you work for Apple.
Many people, however, do use computers at work, and are more familiar and accustomed to Windows as a result. Many have maintained a comfort level in dealing with the Windows platform, and currently, may not be compelled to leave it. Those who prefer bargains, tinkering, or serious gaming, as *LTD* stated, will choose a PC, or a dedicated gaming platform. Conversely, it sounds as if you work against Apple.
 
I dont mean to appear "thick" but...

Can I order this and install it on a mac mini running Vmware?

I looked at the sites FAQ but its horrid...absolutely horrid.
 
You do realise that IA64 is sufficiently different to other designs in use that it requires significant resources to efficiently port and develop for yes? To state that it is just another Intel standard, and therefore imply that porting code between the platforms is a simple task reeks of ignorance and hastily skimmed through wakipedia 'articles'.

Anyway, this whole 'discussion' was brought up by somebody incorrectly stating that Windows has never had to run on anything other than x86, a claim that has easily been shown as incorrect. Whether the uninformed think something counts or not.

No offence kid, but looking at some of your recent posts: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/770653/ (being a prime example) I would not say you are able to talk about coding and porting from a position of authority.

Hmm, Objective-C coding.

Well if I cant talk from a coders standpoint, I can talk from a Administrators standpoint. IF Windows is SOO much better than Unix. How come Unix and all its little friend can be cross-compiled with ease. Hmm? We have a Sparc, PPC and X86 images at work I have to MAINTAIN and UPDATE. NO code changes are NEEDED. Yet all the processing standards are fundamentally different. All it is, is source code downloaded directly from the Projects website, and compiled with GCC.

This conversation is pointless. ALL C derived and Java languages are CPU agnostic.
 
This conversation is pointless. ALL C derived and Java languages are CPU agnostic.

I'd suggest that you should look at endian issues, and floating point standards, before making a claim like that.

The multi-platform source packages that you download have been carefully written to work across platforms. I'd bet that if you would grep the source you'd see a lot of "#ifdef" statements to handle platform differences.
 
I'd suggest that you should look at endian issues, and floating point standards, before making a claim like that.

The multi-platform source packages that you download have been carefully written to work across platforms. I'd bet that if you would grep the source you'd see a lot of "#ifdef" statements to handle platform differences.

Oh I understand that, but theyre still CPU agnostic as #ifdef statements are Compiler Macros.
 
Few people have actually chosen Windows, and most are more than willing to abandon it once they've been presented with a far less complicated, less problematic, and a more sensible, intuitive, and overall, superior choice.

Market share doesn't agree with you. We're it the case that most people actually cared at all about the OS they use there would have been a much greater shift than there has been. However as they don't it doesn't matter about bells and whistles.

As for abandonment, some will I suppose. Equally some will migrate back to Windows after trying other solutions that do not prove satisfactory for their needs. Given the market penetration of OS X over the years it's doing OK but hardly spectacularly and certainly not well enough to suggest it's a primary choice for most people.

Or they just don't care one way or the other.

Precisely. Never underestimate the power of entropy and familiarity.
 
Market share doesn't agree with you. We're it the case that most people actually cared at all about the OS they use there would have been a much greater shift than there has been. However as they don't it doesn't matter about bells and whistles.

As for abandonment, some will I suppose. Equally some will migrate back to Windows after trying other solutions that do not prove satisfactory for their needs. Given the market penetration of OS X over the years it's doing OK but hardly spectacularly and certainly not well enough to suggest it's a primary choice for most people.



Precisely. Never underestimate the power of entropy and familiarity.

Yet you hear people wishing they could afford a Mac.
 
Hmm, Objective-C coding.

Well if I cant talk from a coders standpoint, I can talk from a Administrators standpoint. IF Windows is SOO much better than Unix. How come Unix and all its little friend can be cross-compiled with ease. Hmm? We have a Sparc, PPC and X86 images at work I have to MAINTAIN and UPDATE. NO code changes are NEEDED. Yet all the processing standards are fundamentally different. All it is, is source code downloaded directly from the Projects website, and compiled with GCC.

This conversation is pointless. ALL C derived and Java languages are CPU agnostic.

How did you turn what I said into a Windows vs UNIX argument?

(does this forum have a facepalm smiley?)

To suggest that a supremely complex piece of software such as Windows can be ported to an alien CPU type (IA64 is noting like IA32/x86) with nothing more than a change of compiler is staggering in its madness. Do you really think that is how major software vendors operate? :confused:
 
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