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Microsoft and the GOP. Both clueless.

I gotta agree with the ad....I don't understand it. They're not bad phones, but their [sic] not innovative.

Sounds like the 'poke' of someone without an iota of perspective or even a sense of even recent history. Do you remember what cell phones looked like before the iPhone? Do you remember how they operated? Now, EVERY phone looks and works like an iPhone.

Same with tablets. Do you recall the state of the industry, tablet-wise before the iPad? There was no industry. It was a joke. An abandoned field of failed, ridiculous devices. Along comes the iPad. Do you remember the jokes about the name? What happened to that laughter? Now, every tablet looks like and operates like an iPad.

"Innovative?" Apple is the ONLY innovative company. The rest are clones. And, please, tell us what "innovative" features you're seeing in the clones' products. The first time i see some schmuck waving his hand ABOVE his phone to switch pictures or pages or apps, or whatever... will be the next time i laugh out loud at a schmuck doing stupid things with a cell phone. I will wager five dollars that schmuck is also smoking an e-cig, has his baseball cap on backwards, and thinks his 2004 Mustang is bad-ass.

@Microsoft: Parody is fun. Might even be considered 'tribute.' But, christ on a bike, people. If you're going to spend money to do something like this, do it well. Do it with a sense of intelligence. And, as Steve Martin said to John Candy in Planes, Trains and Automobiles...: If you're going to tell a story, "Have a POINT."
 
Thing is you can take Microsoft out of the bold portion of your comment and replace it with Apple/Samsung/Google and the statement would still be true. None of us actually need any of those companies. In these forums we present everything as if it's life or death and it isn't. It does make for interesting reading though. There are those who take their relationships with these companies very, very seriously. It says something about them. What that is, I really don't know.

Here, I've brought you a stool so that you don't risk peril dismounting your high horse.
 
In all fairness , I could see just one ad. It seems the others have been pulled down. I have to agree that they are an accurate representation of how Apple is resorting to gimmicks in name of innovation now
 
Everything I've read about the 5C has been positive. Are you talking about analysts who've been down on Apple for pricing it higher than what the analysts have been expecting?

Well specs wise the iPhone 5C looks pretty decent, but from what I've read some people are saying that it is effectively a plastic iPhone 5 that costs pretty much as much as an iPhone 5 without the aluminium casing. In some degree I do agree with this as simply put what would have been wrong with simply bringing out the 5S and continue to sell the 5 at a lower price.
 
Microsoft is so completely irrelevant in the mobile phone space that I am surprised anybody cares what they have to say. Paying $7.5 billion to buy the company that provides the metal for their boat anchor seemed desperate.
 
I have absolutely no problem with companies poking fun at each other, It keeps the competition alive, which is, after all, what drives innovation. On top of that, nothing said in that ad was a lie, the iPhone 5C is plastic, and colored, and while some hardware things have changed, only geeks like us know that, to the general public it really has changed very little, besides iOS 7, which was not attacked in the ad. I think people need to stop being so defensive of one company, and that comes from someone that loves Apple products as much as anyone else on this site.
 
"Innovative?" Apple is the ONLY innovative company. The rest are clones. And, please, tell us what "innovative" features you're seeing in the clones' products. The first time i see some schmuck waving his hand ABOVE his phone to switch pictures or pages or apps, or whatever... will be the next time i laugh out loud at a schmuck doing stupid things with a cell phone. I will wager five dollars that schmuck is also smoking an e-cig, has his baseball cap on backwards, and thinks his 2004 Mustang is bad-ass.

Innovation, much like humor, seems to be entirely subjective, though recognizing such is highly dependent upon an objective viewpoint. Windows Phone, for instance, uses a data-centric setup that's entirely different from Android and iOS. You don't necessarily have to like it, but to call it a simple clone shows me you're more interested in proselytizing and beating your chest than you are looking for true innovation throughout the industry with an open mind.
 
You know it's pretty bad in the Microsoft world when they are trying awfully to be a copycat of a copycat.
 
Shouldn't Microsoft be spending the money on improving their devices and services instead of launching attack ads on Google and Apple?

I seriously hope this is just more of Balmer's reign and this nonsense ends when he leaves.
 
The funniest part was at the end when he said something like "yeah, that took a month" or something.

How long did the ad agency take making this?

Not even getting to the question of taste - these were boring, typical trying-to-be-funny ads. Ugh, that guy's voice.

Not clever, not funny, not really saying anything. Just keep harping on about plastic. The 5C is pretty obviously plastic. Apple never makes out like its anything else.
 
And I suppose "Apple fans" dish it to Microsoft on a regular basis? I think you'll find that most fans actually applaud what Microsoft has achieved as a company. It's just a pity that Balmer has reduced MS to a disorganised and, quite frankly, unfocused corporation that has no leader.

The fact of the matter is that MS has tried to enter new markets and can't hack it. Why? Because they can't mould their brand around hardware. This obvious failing has led them to being almost jealous of the success that Apple and other manufacturers have had. This isn't to say that Gates would never have considered hardware a top focus for the company, but until around 2000, MS was making some of the best software available and the quality for education was second to none.

It says a lot though when you create your own tablet (delectably titled "Microsoft Surface") and then continue to license your own OS to OTHER manufacturers and compete with them in the same market? Errr...

My experience is that more Apple users are complimentary to Microsoft's products than Microsoft fans are of Apple products. I have no problem with Office and Windows 7; Microsoft has done a lot for the personal computing industry. However, over the past number of years their leadership has completely misread how the industry has changed and failed to move with it. What was once was a leader is almost not even a follower nowadays.
 
Well specs wise the iPhone 5C looks pretty decent, but from what I've read some people are saying that it is effectively a plastic iPhone 5 that costs pretty much as much as an iPhone 5 without the aluminium casing. In some degree I do agree with this as simply put what would have been wrong with simply bringing out the 5S and continue to sell the 5 at a lower price.

To me the 5C and 5S are completely different from each other and both are major improvements over the 5.

Since I am coming from the 4S, the 5C is a marvel and has been my pick for this cycle. I can wait awhile to see what Apple does with the A7's capabilities in its next round of upgrades. That's not to disrespect the 5S in any way.
 
How nice of Microsoft to bash on Apple's lack of creativity. I'm sure Windows was never made to be a copy of the GUI of Mac OS. I also like the fact that this video looks like a high school video editing project. Furthermore, I'm glad a Windows phone such as the Nokia Lumia aren't made out of "cheap" plastic to save money.
 
I gotta agree with the ad. What the hell has Apple been doing the last 6 months? But unfortunately, the iPhone 5C/S will not flop. People will once again line up in droves. I don't understand it. They're not bad phones, but their not innovative.

What you need to get is Apple's not a pure technology company like many of their "competitors." When Steve came back to Apple he did a big assessment of IP like any executive moving into a new position.

The Apple brand itself is the most valuable asset of the company above any of its underlying technology.

To work with Apple properly, you must realize that they are a fashion company with technology as their medium. They take look and style to a level where t-shirt and cargo pants engineers don't get it.

You can buy cheaper and "just as good" jeans instead of Levi's, Lee, Wrangler or others but many buy these for the looks and statement that is makes. Same goes for Apple products. Yes, you can buy a PC or an Android product at a lower cost. However, when you bring that product out in a social setting, what statement does it make?

One of the important things about the 5C / 5S launch is not the technology per say but the packaging. The five colors chosen for the 5C fit, to me, looks like they spent a lot of time making sure it fit in the same Pantone color hue group so almost any combination of the phone and their case does not clash. To an engineer, color and style is minor any "someone else's problem" as you code and solder away in a cube or on a bench. Also, the fact they don't have an all black iPhone 5S says a lot.

However, Apple knows that product packaging matters just as much, if not more, in mass marketing than the technology that goes inside. Steve was known to fire engineers on the spot who degraded or ridiculed industrial design or styling in the product development cycle. His now well documented insistence of varying fonts on the original Mac is a good example of that. At times, he would spend days on the look, feel and sounds of a product to get it just right as any fashion designer does.

Some of the top fashion designers are known to hire models specifically for their ability to wear clothing and stay still for hours on end. Here they would be paid to just stand there and look pretty as many would just stare at the clothing they wear. The clothing is then cut and stitched in the same or neighboring room. I'm now personally experiencing this in the emerging wearable technology markets.

That same goes for Apple products. Instead of hot models and a cutter stitching clothes, you have a 3D printer (Apple was one of the biggest customers of the early systems) and would put in expenses for packaging and looks that most techies would never consider to keep costs down.

Thus, you have very social, fashionable people -- not to mention very hot girls who never date engineers -- buying and using Apple products.
 
You know normally I don't mind ads like these, especially when they are funny. And Apple has certainly taken shots at Microsoft before.

But these particular ads I did not find funny at all, I've seen better from Microsoft before.

It just makes Microsoft look worse, they haven't been doing particularly well, at least not compared to iOS or Android, so It's like you're shooting yourself in the foot by releasing ads targeting competitors, who according to many people provide a better overall experience..
 
Does Microsoft like digging their own grave? Whoever is in charge of these lacks any speck of creativity.

Having watched them, I've at least come to the conclusion that Apple seems to be the only one out of both of them that actually includes something new in their products, regardless of how small.

And Apple still probably sells more phones on LAUNCH DAY than MS ever will in a year.

Digging their own graves???? How do you figure that? They are not going to get the apple fanboys to switch so were just provoking them. It's worked, look at everyone with thier panties in a twist over this on here.

To be fair, out of apple , android and m$ only M$ has been showing some innovation lately.
 
N.c..... No class

Proof yet again that Microsoft has no taste and no class. Steve Jobs said they had no culture way back when... nothing's changed.
 
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