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"Anyone can write programs for windows, and we will break our backs giving you as many optimizing API's as we can come up with"

In that regard, windows is a lot more "open" than the mac. I mean just comparing visual studio to Xcode is a joke. Just making a program on a mac where you click a button that makes a sound take twice as long as it does on the PC using visual studio.

Now to optimization. Lets take this API structure and look at Flash. On the mac, EVERY frame on flash video ends up having to be rendered by the CPU. On the PC, because of the better API structure, various tasks are actually broken down to a more efficient manor. (This is all according to Adobe).

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Oh, and nice C# fanboy contrived example.
 
could you explain how please ?? ;)

For a start you're parroting Adobe about the APIs and you used an utterly contrived example to compare VS and XCode (Typical of C# fanboys and Noobs to both platforms actually), despite the fact you can use other IDEs than VS and XCode for C# and Obj-C.

And neither of your points actually prove mac of being less open. Just a bunch of Red Herrings.
 
I suppose all of the things that they are saying are technically correct If you screw your eyes up real tight, maybe bang your head on the desk repeatedly whilst sticking your fingers in your ears, perhaps shouting 'Lalalalalala!'

None of these claims are any worse than those of the Apple 'Get a Mac' ads the company has abandoned.
 
You're not alone. NASA doesn't trust it either.

You're wrong. I work at a NASA centre. Windows is used a lot. Email is exchange based. I have both an XP workstation, and an i7 MBP. You will even find Windows running on laptops on the ISS. ( and whilst you will find an iPod or two up there, you I'll not find any Mac machines up there at all )

Some people really will say anything, even outright lies, just to bash Windows.
 
You're wrong. I work at a NASA centre. Windows is used a lot. Email is exchange based. I have both an XP workstation, and an i7 MBP. You will even find Windows running on laptops on the ISS. ( and whilst you will find an iPod or two up there, you I'll not find any Mac machines up there at all )

Some people really will say anything, even outright lies, just to bash Windows.

Including where they work. :rolleyes:

Nasa is known to use a mixture of Windows, Linux, IRIX and other *NIX flavors.
 
I work at a place with 5,500 workstations. Rebooting mine takes maybe 90 seconds. My i7 MBP ( also on the same network ) takes the same amount of time Why do you continue to just pedal out pure lies?

I could trot out to you the IT standards document at my workplace. It clearly states that a 6-minute boot-up time is considered normal, and they won't consider upgrading or replacing your workstation until you start to experience performance significantly longer than 6 minutes.
 
Microsoft, for all their faults is working very hard on Windows.... Windows 8. If windows Mobile 7 is any indicator, I predict a slick and sexy new UI to go with the stability and flexibility Windows 7 already has.

What's Apple doing on the OSX platform?
Why not even a mention of OSX at WWDC?
Why all this hate from Steve Jobs for computers or as he calls them, "Trucks"?
Why did apple get rid of their 'Get a mac' campaign and replace it with...NOTHING?
Surely not everyone at Apple is working on the ipad and iphone?

You're way ahead for now Apple... but I wouldn't rest on your laurels.

Way ahead now?? In what retarded, Steve Jobs-is-god world is 27% market share way ahead? OSX has 27% market share vs 73% for Windows. Geez you're a moron.
 
Well, it's certainly true that there are far more hardware choices on the PC side.

Just look at the comparisons that are made whenever apple ships a quad xeon config of the mac pro. There are always comparisons with vastly cheaper i7 machines (valid ones, in my opinion) simply because apple doesn't offer an i7 tower. It's a great hardware combo, offering fantastic performance (in many cases better than the xeon) for the money.
 
I just love how one of Microsoft's main arguments against Macs is that "Macs only come in white or silver."

WTF!?

-Don

Love it, the other BIG FEATURE and one they always advertise is the snap feature. I have a PC running Windows 7 and I disabled it because I have two monitors and everytime I drag a window over to the other monitor it wants to maximize the window. It drives me nuts, and it doesnt seem that groundbreaking of a feature to be the "Main Feature", just MHO.
 
Including where they work. :rolleyes:

Nasa is known to use a mixture of Windows, Linux, IRIX and other *NIX flavors.

I have offered MorphingDragon a means to verify where I work so he can come back to this thread, retract the accusation that I'm lying and apologize for making it.

I know full well that we use multiple platforms here - the best tool for the job in every possible situation, regardless of the platform it is. The claim that 'NASA doesn't trust Windows' remains outright false. Most of the flights ops stuff here is neither Windows nor OSX.

http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-24/html/iss024e006791.html
http://spaceflight1.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-23/html/s131e007052.html

There's a machine in shot running something non Win based, but you can quite obviously see several instances of NASA 'not trusting' Windows. Indeed - it's right there


Like I've said so many times before in this place - I am OS ambivalent. I use both, daily. I just can't stand to see people from either camp just lying to either overstate their particular favorite, or lambaste the 'opposition'.

There is no 'best'. Neither 'wins'.

And the way some Mac fans behave in this place is outright embarrassing.
 
Ah, what a fine and ground braking machine that was ... :eek:

amiganasa4.jpg
 
You only have to go back and forth between Adobe programs on PC and then back to Mac and realize the difference. One just works better and the other doesn't.

I can't say that I've necessarily had a better experience using Windows Photoshop than Mac Photoshop. In general, they're pretty much equal. I've used Photoshop on both platforms for the past 10 years and haven't noticed a significant difference.
 
I checked out their laptop recommendations and desktop recommendations and some of them were interesting. With what I gave them for laptops, it gave me two high end Toshibas and the desktops included an iBuyPower, an Alienware and a few others.

None of the recommendations changed my mind on wanting to get a new Mac Mini, though I decided to go through the process just to see what I would get.
 
It makes no sense to me why all you windoze huggers are here on this forum trying to tell us that windoze is better than OSX. I tend to believe actions speak louder than words. I have used windoze from 3.1 to XP. During that time I have had headache after headache with things not working on windoze (too many to list and I would probably fill the hard drive of the Mac Rumors server with all of windoze failings). I finally converted to Mac last October and I am amazed at how a Mac "just works" as opposed to all my windoze machines constantly breaking over two decades. Its not like I haven't given windoze a chance, I gave them plenty - again two decades! I will never go back to that crap. I feel cheated by micro$oft for selling me garbage over the years. I used to constantly get phone calls from friends and family to help me troubleshoot their windoze machines. After I switched to Mac I got them to switch too. Guess how many phone calls I get from them now to help them support their Mac? ZERO!

So again, why are all you windoze huggers here trolling on this forum? Go make your own forum, call it "windoze rumors" or something. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the name of the forum as it would be in line with the micro$oft business strategy - "if you can't beat them, copy them" (i.e. recently like the crappy windoze retail stores.)
 
I was just thinking about the Microsoft remarks on office suites—what about the fact that iWork costs probably $50 less than the base version of MS Office when you buy it separately, and even less if you buy it with a new Mac, and you can export to Office? Or that Macs don't come with bundled adware office suites (MS Office Starter 2010)? I've been looking at PCs online for the hell of it, and most of them seem to come with this Office Starter stuff. Right, like I want advertising when I'm typing something up. Good going, MS.
 
The claim that 'NASA doesn't trust Windows' remains outright false. Most of the flights ops stuff here is neither Windows nor OSX.

Your bit that I've bolded - exactly what I meant by NASA not trusting Windows. "NASA" in common conversation between non-NASA people does *not* mean Jane down in the accounts dept or Fred in supply's email. NASA = ground control and space rockets and frikkin lasers.

You confirm what I wrote in the same breath as calling me an outright liar. And despite your accusations, I never said they use OSX or Macs. It's common knowledge NASA doesn't use Windows for mission critical stuff, as you say yourself.
 
You only have to go back and forth between Adobe programs on PC and then back to Mac and realize the difference. One just works better and the other doesn't.

I have heard this before and never had a real answer.

Can you please explain (let's say Photoshop to keep things simple)

How the Mac version is better than the PC version?

Say you had two 24" screen side by side on your desk, both running the latest version of Photoshop on the Mac and on the PC.

What features (or anything else) could I be shown to blow me away on the Mac screen/version that would look bad on the PC screen/version?

I'd love to know the differences (apart from a small style difference in the file manager box when you open or save the image you have finished working on)

Thanks.
 
Your bit that I've bolded - exactly what I meant by NASA not trusting Windows. "NASA" in common conversation between non-NASA people does *not* mean Jane down in the accounts dept or Fred in supply's email. NASA = ground control and space rockets and frikkin lasers.

Two points.
You should have said what you meant then rather than the catastrophically ' NASA doesn't trust Windows'.

And even taking your interpretation of your own words - I linked to images showing XP in use onboard the ISS - a $100B research lab. That's not 'Accounts' or 'Fred in Supply's email'. Furthermore, Exchange is used for all email here, not just 'accounts' or 'Fred in Supply's email'.
 
I think it's hilarious that there are so many butt-hurt fanboys here.

When Apple rolled out their 'Get a Mac' ad campaign, they made some commercials that said things like: macs do fun things like edit photos, watch videos, and make music and PCs can also do 'fun' things like pie charts and spreadsheets. When in reality you can do all those things they listed on a mac with a PC but they failed to mention you can play more games and faster on the same hardware with a PC.
 
Two points.
You should have said what you meant then rather than the catastrophically ' NASA doesn't trust Windows'.

And even taking your interpretation of your own words - I linked to images showing XP in use onboard the ISS - a $100B research lab. That's not 'Accounts' or 'Fred in Supply's email'. Furthermore, Exchange is used for all email here, not just 'accounts' or 'Fred in Supply's email'.

I bet that laptop is not controlling anything, but just for information output.
 
I think it's hilarious that there are so many butt-hurt fanboys here.

When Apple rolled out their 'Get a Mac' ad campaign, they made some commercials that said things like: macs do fun things like edit photos, watch videos, and make music and PCs can also do 'fun' things like pie charts and spreadsheets. When in reality you can do all those things they listed on a mac with a PC but they failed to mention you can play more games and faster on the same hardware with a PC.

Fun Fact: Not all computer users are gamers.

And you can always run Bootcamp or a virtual machine, such as VMware Fusion or Parallels Desktop, removing the OS barrier.
 
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