Poor Microsoft, Microsoft slams the door in Microsoft's face, no Silverlight in Metro IE10.
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Microsoft Previews Windows 8 for Tablets and PCs
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Poor Microsoft, Microsoft slams the door in Microsoft's face, no Silverlight in Metro IE10.
That would presumably mean writing native ARM code. I don't think they want to fragment Windows that much.
Besides, this gives them the opportunity to lock you into their application store.
That's because you're running it on x86 hardware. As the link I previously posted suggests, you may not be able to run full Windows applications on the ARM tablets which would actually be competing with the iPad.
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The ARM/tablet version of Windows 8 won't run desktop apps, just Metro apps. Your dev build is the hybrid Metro/Desktop build for x86 and x86_64.
Tablets constrained to run Metro apps are ARM tablets, x86 tablets can run "classic" apps
Being a dev, i already know that i change a few lines of code in my app and hit the CPU type as ARM and now my app will run on those tablets...
They already showcased the Office Suite running on an ARM tablet.. so its up to the dev to make it available... and knowing Apple, they wont...
if you want me to find the Office vid running on ARM i will..
Found that vid for you : Video of real apps on ARM
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Yeah, but which are really going to prove popular? My money is on the ARM ones. I think x86 tablets will be more of a niche product.
Quick look at the iPad and Win 8 from Winrumors.com
http://www.winrumors.com/ipad-ios-5-vs-windows-8-slate-video/
http://www.winrumors.com/ipad-ios-5-vs-windows-8-slate-video/
Thanks for finding that video again. That is from CES too.
Get me an AMD based one with decent graphics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWOOefm_rwo&feature=player_embedded
Ok, its pre-release (once again), but i do see a desktop there. I understand the issues with compatibility, but i really dont see why ARM _couldnt_ provide for a desktop experience. (one could argue if its the right way to go, but thats a different tomato all together).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntbPMuYbZ1A&NR=1
iex. running on that one...
Apropos of the above:
http://informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/231601473
Microsoft exec: Uh, no, Windows 8 tablets won’t run Windows PC apps
“In a clarification, a Microsoft executive said applications built to run on the tablet version of Windows 8 won’t be compatible with the desktop version of the operating system,” Paul McDougall reports for InformationWeek. “The executive also said that the tablet version won’t be able run any applications built for previous versions of Windows.”
“‘We’ve been very clear since the very first CES demos and forward that the ARM product won’t run any x86 applications,’ said Stephen Sinofsky, president of Microsoft Windows unit, during a meeting with financial analysts Wednesday,” McDougall reports. “Windows 8 for tablets runs on devices powered by chips designed by U.K.-based ARM. The desktop version runs on traditional, x86 chips from Intel and AMD.”
McDougall reports, “Sinofsky’s comments came a day after he implied that apps for the tablet and desktop versions of Windows 8 would be cross-compatible. ‘The demos we are showing you today are equally at home on ARM or x86,’ Sinofsky said, during a keynote presentation at Microsoft’s BUILD conference in Anaheim, Calif. But at the meeting with analysts, Sinofsky said cross-compatibility would not be practical because apps need to be optimized to take full advantage of the hardware on which they’re intended to run.”
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And good old MS confusion and complexity sets in. Was it not the big deal that Win 8 tablets would be "full PCs"?
Or I might have just understood it wrong. MS isn't known for clarity.
http://informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/231601473
Microsoft exec: Uh, no, Windows 8 tablets won’t run Windows PC apps
“In a clarification, a Microsoft executive said applications built to run on the tablet version of Windows 8 won’t be compatible with the desktop version of the operating system,” Paul McDougall reports for InformationWeek. “The executive also said that the tablet version won’t be able run any applications built for previous versions of Windows.”
“‘We’ve been very clear since the very first CES demos and forward that the ARM product won’t run any x86 applications,’ said Stephen Sinofsky, president of Microsoft Windows unit, during a meeting with financial analysts Wednesday,” McDougall reports. “Windows 8 for tablets runs on devices powered by chips designed by U.K.-based ARM. The desktop version runs on traditional, x86 chips from Intel and AMD.”
McDougall reports, “Sinofsky’s comments came a day after he implied that apps for the tablet and desktop versions of Windows 8 would be cross-compatible. ‘The demos we are showing you today are equally at home on ARM or x86,’ Sinofsky said, during a keynote presentation at Microsoft’s BUILD conference in Anaheim, Calif. But at the meeting with analysts, Sinofsky said cross-compatibility would not be practical because apps need to be optimized to take full advantage of the hardware on which they’re intended to run.”
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And good old MS confusion and complexity sets in. Was it not the big deal that Win 8 tablets would be "full PCs"?
Or I might have just understood it wrong. MS isn't known for clarity.
The Tablets will be "Full PC's" As in they will run Windows 8, not just the Metro UI, you can still get to the desktop underneath, still have access to the the filesystem. You still have the whole of Windows on your tablet. With USB Ports, HDMI, Ethernet and all the hardware Windows supports, want to stick some photos on your tablet? Stick a USB pendrive into your tablet, open it in the Explorer Window, and copy them to your desktop.
It's still a full PC, running full Windows, just x86 programs wont run on it, is Lion not a "Full PC" because it cannot run Rosetta programs?
Metro looks like a great interface. Kudos to microsoft for coming up with something functional and pretty and completely different that what is already out there.
Now, if only they could fix Windows desktop and change the name....Windows has a lot of bad stigma attached to it, and its ugly.
They should really port the Metro look to the desktop....with a start tiles, little tiles for programs, pinned tiles and bars and hiding the file system tree. Then slim the OS down and cut a lot of the buggy ****, have it automatically download ONLY the drivers you need and autoupdate them. Maybe a central repository of drivers, distributed to pcs like software update? Essentially, upgrade the Metro team to being in charge of Windows. To increase performance, they could just make the tablets have the option to be Metro only.
If they release a slimmed down, hi performance, versatile windows 8+metro and support windows 7 for 2 years while business switch over to new hardware and software, that would be awesome. And for those that can't switch...well, I still see people running old versions of windows.
I like mac better than windows, buts its more of ease of use and style than an actual passion for the OS. I am glad MS is getting back in the game. They should bring everyone with them.
Now, if only they could fix Windows desktop and change the name....Windows has a lot of bad stigma attached to it, and its ugly.
They should really port the Metro look to the desktop....with a start tiles, little tiles for programs, pinned tiles and bars and hiding the file system tree. Then slim the OS down and cut a lot of the buggy ****, have it automatically download ONLY the drivers you need and autoupdate them. Maybe a central repository of drivers, distributed to pcs like software update? Essentially, upgrade the Metro team to being in charge of Windows. To increase performance, they could just make the tablets have the option to be Metro only.
If they release a slimmed down, hi performance, versatile windows 8+metro and support windows 7 for 2 years while business switch over to new hardware and software, that would be awesome. And for those that can't switch...well, I still see people running old versions of windows.
I like mac better than windows, buts its more of ease of use and style than an actual passion for the OS. I am glad MS is getting back in the game. They should bring everyone with them.
It's one Microsoft spokesman misleading things by not saying them clearly, it's not like Apple has been vague or misleading about their products or services in the past.
Mac Rumors was swamped with confused people asking questions about this iCloud switch from MobileMe because Apple was incredibly tight-fisted about the details, waiting weeks before disclosing just how it would affect you.
The difference is with Windows 8, and has been demonstrated already, if running x86 programs means that much to you, why not simply go with an Intel or AMD Windows Tablet, they are already announced. Don't go with an ARM tablet if it wouldn't work for you.
MS lacks the backbone and daring to make a clean break.
Each time the classic Windows 7 UI appears, it's a jarring break from the "other interface." No uniformity, no consistency. One OS, but two realities. As Andy Ihnatko has observed, "it looks like a drunken uncle at an otherwise elegant family wedding."
It's shockingly poor design.
I'm sure the average consumer will have absolutely no problem making this simple distinction.
Everyone and their dog knows the difference between "x86", "Intel", "AMD", and "ARM", and how these all relate to running specific apps on a Windows 8 tablet, that has the same UI as a Windows 8 "computer", and how both actually differ from one another, despite the same UI.
No problem.
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Hey, LTD! Haven't seen you in awhile! You're gonna save me a place in line at the Best Buy when the first Windows 8 tablets come out, right? I know you're gonna be right there, first in line, just like you are at every new Microsoft OS release, so you might as well. :thumbs up:
...oh wait. Crap. I forgot you put on the hardcore Apple Zealot act when you're on the Macrumors forum. I hope I didn't blow your cover or anything. Sorry.
Man, you're so incorrigible.
...oh wait. Crap. I forgot you put on the hardcore Apple Zealot act when you're on the Macrumors forum. I hope I didn't blow your cover or anything. Sorry.
Man, you're so incorrigible.
Neither. Neither iCloud or Lion has any relationship to the completely asinine idea of implementing two completely different UIs in the same OS, then putting that same OS (with the two interfaces) onto different devices, and then modifying how and which apps will run on these different devices . . . with the same OS that has two ****ing interfaces.
Are Sinofsky and team that dumb, or are they just completely hamstrung by typical MS' lumbering bureaucracy and visionless leadership?