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Microsoft has been fielding some new anti-iPad commercials that, on the surface (see what I did there?) seem to take a page out of Apple's old "I'm a Mac" ads of days long gone by, or even Motorola's "Droid Does" campaign of a few years back. They show an iPad side by side against a Windows 8 tablet, and then demonstrate several areas in which they, Microsoft, think the Windows 8 tablet beats to iPad.

The ad shows Live Tiles, and contrasts them with the iPad's static Home screen. It shows multi-window computing, and contrasts it with the iPad's one-at-a-time app experience. It shows Power Point, and contrasts it with Apple's Keynote. They show the price of the cheapest Windows 8 tablet and contrast it with Apple's mid-capacity, full-sized iPad.

A second spot shows similar comparisons, but adds bullet points like built-in support for SD card support vs. requiring an adapter, and printing only to AirPrint-capable printers compared to printing to standard Windows-compatible printers.

Ads like these, comparisons like these, can work and work well. "Droid Does" helped put Android on the map. When it comes to tablets, however, they been tried before, and haven't proven successful in the least. In most cases, they've touted the advantages of a more desktop-like experience, and Windows is, perhaps, the most desktop of desktops.

And it's precisely what mainstream customers have resoundingly said is the absolute last thing they want on a tablet.

BlackBerry tried it with the Playbook. Various Android manufacturers have tried it with their Galaxy, Xoom, and other tablets. Hell, Microsoft made Tablet PC for years, based on full-on Windows XP or other releases. Nobody besides us geeks cared, not in any number, and not any more then than they do today.

For years mainstream customers have felt alienated by desktop operating systems. They've struggled with their archaic file systems and confusing windows management, their intermediated control schemes and their sheer complexity. And those frustrations are the last thing those mainstream customers want on mobile.

They want to pick up a device that they can understand. That doesn't make them feel stupid but rather makes them feel empowered. They want their apps, they want their media, and they want it without all the inhuman ******** traditional computing platforms like Windows (and OS X for that matter) have been forcing on them for decades.

They want iPads.

Steve Jobs understood that. Even after helping launch the Apple II and bringing about the Mac, Jobs understood the need for ever simpler, ever more direct ever more mainstream computing.

Bill Gates once said what he envied most about Apple was Steve Jobs' taste. But Jobs didn't have taste in the fashionable sense of the word. He had product sense. He had the ability to look forward, past his own current product portfolio, beyond his corporate investments to date, beyond any brands he might hold dear, and see what his customers needed. He had sensibility.
 
That silly kickstand for one. How does it help you on your lap?

Are you honestly asking why the Win8 tablet is awkward? Read the numerous reviews about this spectacular disappointment.

Another choice, you can just flip the kickstand in and it's gone. Putting out a choice, an option to better the use of a tablet as a negative is odd.
 
Yep, the ipad is full of not having choices. I'd rather have the choice. Do I want a dumb tablet or a desktop experience. Do I want to type on screen or use a stylus? Do I want to run apps or desktop programs? Do I want to save to a memory card or the cloud? Do I want to use a USB device? etc etc etc, too many to list.

Nice try Microsoft PR
 
It's a good idea badly implemented.

It's the same idea and it was not there's or if it was originally it was not thought about until someone else took the chance for them. MS is playing way too safe to win at anything. They are the obvious late comers. The whole 'me too!' attitude is wearing thin on even the most base consumers. If you implement badly you have brought absolutely nothing to the table these days. Anyone can compile a Linux kernel to run stuff. We pay these companies to implement things better. At this point MS congratulates itself for not breaking things further. There is nothing left in the tank thanks to the executive to actual dev ratio on campus. Wheels be spinning.

"Thanks for showing us that there is a market" "Now we can get started making it cheaper and less user friendly to sell at Wal-marts and Costco's".

The new commercial is yet another "Me too!" from MS following in the wake of the "I'm a Mac" campaign. (Which I hated also btw) It is pure sports team/ political side matching with the consumers. More Us vs Them. Ridiculous.
 

I disagree with him, and so do the other numerous companies who spend their days designing and selling stylus for the ipad and the consumers who buy them. I find the stylus on a tablet INCREDIBLY useful. Once again that's my use scenario, I understand if you don't need one or find one useful, I'm simply saying at least I have the choice. You kind of do, but only because 3rd party manufacturers and consumers were smarter than Jobs.

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Nice try Microsoft PR

Yes thank you, especially because it worked. :D
 
I disagree with him, and so do the other numerous companies who spend their days designing and selling stylus for the ipad and the consumers who buy them. I find the stylus on a tablet INCREDIBLY useful. Once again that's my use scenario, I understand if you don't need one or find one useful, I'm simply saying at least I have the choice. You kind of do, but only because 3rd party manufacturers and consumers were smarter than Jobs.

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Yes thank you, especially because it worked. :D

900 million loss says it did not.
 
I didn't really do justice to my thoughts there, I don't think Metro is the future of windows as a desktop interface, just as I don't think iOS is the future of OSx as a desktop interface. What I meant is that Metro is the future of windows in a mobile format, but with the added benefit of having the full desktop at it's disposal. IMO we are not at a point in terms of interface to truly let go of the desktop interface, otherwise why isn't Apple running iOS on it's desktops and laptops. MS has to skirt this dual world and they decided instead of short changing their customers by only putting Metro on their tablets, they would give their intelligent customers the choice of whether they wanted to use the desktop of the more mobile friendly Metro. Personally I like to be treated as an intelligent adult with choices rather than a stupid child who needs something "simple", but hey that's me.

It's not so much "simple" as "what works well on small screens you're going to be driving primarily with your finger". Metro provides this, the desktop doesn't.

See, I'm coming to think that there does need to be a divide between laptops/desktops and tablets. It doesn't necessarily have to be a huge one. You can still have touch apps that perform the same functions, using the same APIs, running on the same OS underpinnings. But it does need a different interface. Like it or not, since the iPad, people have certain expectations of what to expect out of a tablet.

What I'd like to see, either out of iOS or future versions of Windows, is a touch based interface that allows for external tools. I don't want to have to use a mouse, but I'd like to use a mouse when a mouse would be handy. Same thing with a stylus, or a gamepad, or whatever else I can think of. The major point of interaction with a tablet should be your finger first, everything else second.

...and you know what's closes to giving us that? Android.
 
900 million loss says it did not.

Windows RT is an atrocity, a hugely bad decision and MS rightly deserves the loss of money and the loss of stock for such a bad strategy. It still doesn't mean that consumers don't want a stylus on the ipad and that Jobs was wrong. Nice try in trying to put those 2 distantly related things together though, A+ for effort and creativity.
 
Windows RT is an atrocity, a hugely bad decision and MS rightly deserves the loss of money and the loss of stock for such a bad strategy. It still doesn't mean that consumers don't want a stylus on the ipad and that Jobs was wrong. Nice try in trying to put those 2 distantly related things together though, A+ for effort and creativity.

psst come closer. I'll tell ya a secret. You can use a stylus on an iPad.
 
Windows RT is an atrocity, a hugely bad decision and MS rightly deserves the loss of money and the loss of stock for such a bad strategy. It still doesn't mean that consumers don't want a stylus on the ipad and that Jobs was wrong. Nice try in trying to put those 2 distantly related things together though, A+ for effort and creativity.

You can buy a stylus for the iPad or iPhone. You can buy a stand/smart cover for your iPad. I'm confused. You keep saying you lack choices with Apple when there are hundreds of third party options to meet your needs.
 
It's not so much "simple" as "what works well on small screens you're going to be driving primarily with your finger". Metro provides this, the desktop doesn't.

See, I'm coming to think that there does need to be a divide between laptops/desktops and tablets. It doesn't necessarily have to be a huge one. You can still have touch apps that perform the same functions, using the same APIs, running on the same OS underpinnings. But it does need a different interface. Like it or not, since the iPad, people have certain expectations of what to expect out of a tablet.

What I'd like to see, either out of iOS or future versions of Windows, is a touch based interface that allows for external tools. I don't want to have to use a mouse, but I'd like to use a mouse when a mouse would be handy. Same thing with a stylus, or a gamepad, or whatever else I can think of. The major point of interaction with a tablet should be your finger first, everything else second.

...and you know what's closes to giving us that? Android.

You know I hear that sometimes, how hard the windows desktop is to use with your finger and I kind of disagree to a certain point. I use the desktop with my finger ALL the time and I don't find it particularly difficult, although I think MS NEEDS to make the desktop more finger friendly with scaling, making taskbars, buttons, etc larger, I think they could and should do this without breaking legacy programs.

In addition to lamenting the switch to the "simple" mentality I also lament the switch to the finger friendly mentality, I get this mental picture of an app with 2 huge buttons as its sole interface, a green one that says go and a red one that says stop. Yeah that's easy for my 2 year old, that is perfect. Hehe, so now my mental image on an ipad is of a 2 year old poking his finger at 2 buttons in the app.

I understand, everyone wants to write their masters thesis with one hand while standing in a subway. But if I am sitting down and using my tablet I have no issues being in desktop mode, especially if MS would throw a little TLC into it and make it a bit more finger friendly.
 
That silly kickstand for one. How does it help you on your lap?

About as well as that apparently godawful, poorly thought out Smart Cover does.

TABLES? WAZZAT? OLOL!

Are you honestly asking why the Win8 tablet is awkward? Read the numerous reviews about this spectacular disappointment.

I've seen plenty of reviews, good and bad for Windows 8. Most of them mention it being rough around the edges and in need of some tender loving care, but very few have called it an outright spectacular disappointment.
 
psst come closer. I'll tell ya a secret. You can use a stylus on an iPad.

Yeah welcome to the last page of my posts, where ya been? You know, the one where I talk about the very substantial 3rd party market of stylus for the ipad. I won't even denigrate the conversation about talking about pressure sensitive screens/stylus, Wacom capability, photoshop, etc etc, because there are even people trying to solve these issues on the ipad in spite of Jobs "wisdom".

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You can buy a stylus for the iPad or iPhone. You can buy a stand/smart cover for your iPad. I'm confused. You keep saying you lack choices with Apple when there are hundreds of third party options to meet your needs.

They are trade offs IMO, but I am not denying your point at all. My main point about choice is having the choice to use a real OS, the other stuff is just gravy. My Wacom pressure sensitive stylus that slips inside my tablet so I don't know it's there until I need it, that's nice for me but I understand if others don't care for it, but hey I didn't pay extra for it or have to carry it around.
 
About as well as that apparently godawful, poorly thought out Smart Cover does.

TABLES? WAZZAT? OLOL!



I've seen plenty of reviews, good and bad for Windows 8. Most of them mention it being rough around the edges and in need of some tender loving care, but very few have called it an outright spectacular disappointment.

You keep mentioning two different things combined into one. One is Windows 8 and the other is the surface. They are two separate topics.

And yet you agree with me that reviews exist calling thins pile of *** a spectacular disappointment. What's your point?

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Yeah welcome to the last page of my posts, where ya been? You know, the one where I talk about the very substantial 3rd party market of stylus for the ipad. I won't even denigrate the conversation about talking about pressure sensitive screens/stylus, Wacom capability, photoshop, etc etc, because there are even people trying to solve these issues on the ipad in spite of Jobs "wisdom".


You mean like this one?

http://adonit.net/jot/touch/
 
You keep mentioning two different things combined into one. One is Windows 8 and the other is the surface. They are two separate topics.

And yet you agree with me that reviews exist calling thins pile of *** a spectacular disappointment. What's your point?

Lots of reviews out there calling the ipad a disappointment, what's your point?
 
You keep mentioning two different things combined into one. One is Windows 8 and the other is the surface. They are two separate topics.

And yet you agree with me that reviews exist calling thins pile of *** a spectacular disappointment. What's your point?

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You mean like this one?

http://adonit.net/jot/touch/

Exactly like that one, you are really very generous in helping me with my point of trade offs. That awful nib that's not really a nib, ipad 3 and up compatibility, it's very thick and unwieldy, good luck with losing it, and all of that for only $89.99, and developers still need to support it in their app, and wait did Adobe release a full desktop version of photoshop for the ipad when I wasn't looking? No thanks, I'll take mine with all the gravy.

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Now that is just silly.

Yeah but it was only meant to match your level of silliness.
 
Exactly like that one, you are really very generous in helping me with my point of trade offs. That awful nib that's not really a nib, ipad 3 and up compatibility, it's very thick and unwieldy, good luck with losing it, and all of that for only $89.99, and developers still need to support it in their app, and wait did Adobe release a full desktop version of photoshop for the ipad when I wasn't looking? No thanks, I'll take mine with all the gravy.

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Yeah but it was only meant to match your level of silliness.

I think you've jumped the shark when your criticism for the iPad is a stylus.
 
Another choice, you can just flip the kickstand in and it's gone. Putting out a choice, an option to better the use of a tablet as a negative is odd.


Why would I want to use a tablet if I have a table top? That's what a notebook computer is for.
 
You know I hear that sometimes, how hard the windows desktop is to use with your finger and I kind of disagree to a certain point. I use the desktop with my finger ALL the time and I don't find it particularly difficult, although I think MS NEEDS to make the desktop more finger friendly with scaling, making taskbars, buttons, etc larger, I think they could and should do this without breaking legacy programs.

That's the thing. I don't think you can make the desktop finger friendly. If you scale everything too big, you won't have room to navigate between your various windows comfortably. And if you can't do that, then what's the point of having the desktop?

The desktop is all about providing space for multiple windows. The more room it has to work with, the better. This isn't something a tablet will ever be strong at. You only have so much space to work with, and most of that space should be dedicated to a single app.

What a tablet needs is a better way to multitask. Something that works almost as well as what you get on a desktop, but still plays to the strength of the medium. Metro's dockable apps come pretty close to this. It doesn't give you as much flexibility as a desktop, true, but it does allows you to juggle two-three apps pretty easily.

If you ask me, what iOS needs is something like app docking. Something that allows you to...for lack of a better word...prime an app for easy access while you're working in another. Also it needs something very much like Mission Control in OSX. I think using this setup, you could build something that's touch friendly, allows for complexity, but still simple enough grandma can use it.

In addition to lamenting the switch to the "simple" mentality I also lament the switch to the finger friendly mentality, I get this mental picture of an app with 2 huge buttons as its sole interface, a green one that says go and a red one that says stop. Yeah that's easy for my 2 year old, that is perfect. Hehe, so now my mental image on an ipad is of a 2 year old poking his finger at 2 buttons in the app.

You're looking at the worst case scenario. Touch based devices don't necessarily have to be any less powerful than their desktop equivalents. They just have to be designed differently.

And like I've said in the past (I've been repeating myself a lot here recently), touch will one day be the primary method we interact with our computers. A whole generation of kids are growing up around iPads, iPhones, Android devices, Windows touch enabled laptops, all kinds of stuff they navigate through with their fingers. They're gonna be expecting it from here on out.

I understand, everyone wants to write their masters thesis with one hand while standing in a subway. But if I am sitting down and using my tablet I have no issues being in desktop mode, especially if MS would throw a little TLC into it and make it a bit more finger friendly.

Anyone who tries that deserves the headache. I use my iPad and Pages/Onenote/Whatever to write stuff all the time, though. I'll set it up on my desk, take my bluetooth keyboard out, and type away. And you know, it works pretty well. I could easily see a future where I'm getting by just as well as I am now with touch based devices.

...though you know what would make it better? If I had a damn mouse or a stylus with a proper pointed end for those moments when I want to make a specific selection. Touch pretty much sucks for making precise selections.
 
You keep mentioning two different things combined into one. One is Windows 8 and the other is the surface. They are two separate topics.

They're one and the same, because Windows 8 is both the strength and weakness of the Surface line.

And yet you agree with me that reviews exist calling thins pile of *** a spectacular disappointment. What's your point?

Who's more right? 95% of every review out there mentions Windows 8 having some great high points. It's fast, smooth, boots quick, and works well. It's the clumsy addition of touch that makes for a weird experience.

In other words, it's a rough mix of good ideas and bad, but hardly a "spectacular failure".

But don't you see? He wants his tablet's fans to whisper at him. Comfort him. He wants his tablet's batteries to last a whole 1.5 hours. He wants a stylus for crying out loud. His needs are different.

A stylus for an iPad would be a spectacular idea, and I think Apple is missing out by not including a digitizer for the thing.
 
Preference is one thing. I like most people use landscape to watch shows/movies. Portrait to read articles/books. To not have a choice is another.

Ok. So when Microsoft doesn't offer a choice it's bad (IE - portrait/landscape) but when Apple doesn't offer a choice (USB) it's good. Got it.
 
They're one and the same, because Windows 8 is both the strength and weakness of the Surface line.



Who's more right? 95% of every review out there mentions Windows 8 having some great high points. It's fast, smooth, boots quick, and works well. It's the clumsy addition of touch that makes for a weird experience.

In other words, it's a rough mix of good ideas and bad, but hardly a "spectacular failure".



A stylus for an iPad would be a spectacular idea, and I think Apple is missing out by not including a digitizer for the thing.

I've played with the tablet at Best Buy and unlike your mentioned reviews, did not find it "fast, smooth, boots quick, and works well." But you think otherwise, go figure. To each it's own I guess. You also prefer Android, so that tells me you value other things than fit and finish.
 
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