Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial

[gt1948]

Went to the HP site and did a buy upgrade option.....by the time I added the additional software and hardware options to get this computer to the same level as a MacBook Pro it was over $2300.00.....
Think Giampaulo should reconsider...

 

[Ubuntu]

rant rant rant

Why are you so angry?

 

[Goona]

Let's see...

first, saying Windows is all work no play. That's funny because Windows has built-in support for HDTV tuners (multiple tuners), it has the industry standard API for 3D gaming, gaming hardware that is far more powerful than the current consoles only runs under Windows thanks to Apple not supporting them via drivers (Apple writes the drivers for OS X, not nvidia or ATI), Windows has better support for movies (full bitstream decoding) as well as support for blu-ray and HD DVD discs. Windows PCs tend to have HDMI as a standard feature, so connecting that more powerful than the MacBook Pro system that cost half as much and has blu-ray to your HDTV is a snap, with no need for a mess of dongles, adapters, and cables.

Also, their "Vista has problems" ads. I've been using Vista since launch, and even used the public betas before that, and never once had a single issue with anything on any of the multiple systems I've used it on. I've used it on 3
different Macs and 4 different PCs and none of them have had any kind of
issue. Funny enough, Vista with the Boot Camp betas was more stable than
Tiger and Leopard on the same machine.

Shall I go on?

Your personal anecdotes doesn't equal reality, Vista has the lowest satisfaction rates while Leopard has the highest followed by Tiger.

 

[dwl017]

Went to the HP site and did a buy upgrade option.....by the time I added the additional software and hardware options to get this computer to the same level as a MacBook Pro it was over $2300.00.....
Think Giampaulo should reconsider...

Why did you waste your time? this whole thread and the last one just like it is nothing more then pointless dribble who cares!

 

[supmango]

Apple will respond IF they start loosing ground on market share (which I doubt). And it will be REALLY easy to counter their pathetic argument. The old slogan "Mac's just work" is impossible to say about any PC counterpart. That is why I switched and that is why everyone else is, or should, as well.

 

[Anuba]

"This is a gay club, we are all gays, and we all hate meeting women simply because we're not interested. Then you come to our party and start bringing lots of women to the place, and saying that gays are mentally disabled lowly creatures. Then we react and say: this is our club, and you're invading it, even though there are a thousand other 'normal' clubs for you to visit. Then you reply that we shouldn't be gays, or that this club sucks."

Except that this isn't a gay club, it's open for all orientations, and while the site is called MacRumors (as opposed to MacFansOnly), it spans everything from iPod Shuffles to XServe hangars. Since there are millions of people who own iPods and iPhones without owning a Mac, the site is bound to attract a lot of PC users who own any of those gadgets. There's also plenty of free software from Apple that runs on PCs (Safari, QuickTime, iTunes, MobileMe), so you don't even have to own any Apple hardware to have a stake in Apple's beezwax. On top of that, Macs run Windows, hence it's perfectly possible to own a Mac and still be primarily a Windows user. Lastly, there's something called switchers, i.e. potential Mac users who are on PC and trying to get a sense of what the Mac community is like. Then they run into aggressive and rude people like you, and swear to never look at a Mac again.

 

[Goona]

Wow someones mad that Apple is getting shown to be what it really is The Bose of computing.

And what is wrong with Bose genius?

 

[Mainyehc]

Guys, I'm sorry for not answering in English to this fellow countryman... I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules in the process but if so, let me know and I will readily translate my post in its entirety.

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Yes, but a so short product lineup some limitations don't make any sense. Specially if you look at the price (ex: no video recording on iphone that costs 500€ in Portugal) Do you understand what i meaning?

De João para João, tenho duas coisas a dizer:

1) O iPhone é, efectivamente, um animal que não é para todos. Ao comprares um pagas, para além do preço do hardware e do serviço da Optimus ou da Vodafone, todo o orçamento de I&D da Apple para essa gama. A forma de a Apple o tornar lucrativo e o oferecer a um preço justo, rapidamente e com uma estabilidade considerável do sistema operativo e das aplicações consistiu em adiar a inclusão de algumas funções consideradas básicas, como sejam a gravação de vídeo ou algumas ainda mais óbvias como o copy/paste.

Quanto à dimensão das várias gamas da Apple, essa nunca passou dos 4 modelos, fixando-se na maior parte dos casos nos 3 ou 2 modelos diferentes (divididos entre bom/melhor/topo). Quanto ao número de gamas dentro de cada categoria, efectivamente o iPhone, com a sua gama única, está em desvantagem face às 4 gamas do iPod (Shuffle, Nano, Classic e Touch), ao par MacBook/MacBook Pro e ao trio Mac Mini/iMac/Mac Pro. Muito se especula em relação a um possível iPhone mini/nano, e nesse aspecto tenho que concordar com a necessidade de uma gama alternativa de iPhones, mas não cometas o erro de confundir "categoria de produto", "gama" e "modelo", porque nesse ponto a Apple sabe muito bem o que anda a fazer (basta veres os lucros astronómicos que a empresa tem apresentado, os quais resultam em grande medida da boa gestão da cadeia de produção e distribuição).

Felizmente para aqueles que possuem um iPhone, ao contrário do resto do mercado, a Apple actualiza o sistema operativo frequentemente, e até agora tem-no fornecido a custo zero (e a preços relativamente razoáveis para os utilizadores do iPod Touch); por outro lado, infelizmente, parece-me que a impossibilidade de gravar vídeo se prende também com a câmara e o processador e não só com o sistema operativo, mas mesmo isso estará prestes a mudar com o próximo iPhone. Se quiseres lê este artigo do John Gruber, no qual o modus operandi da Apple está melhor explicado.

2) Não querendo ser demasiado mauzinho, o teu inglês deixa um bocado a desejar, especialmente para o nível deste fórum. O pessoal por cá é para todos os efeitos um tanto ou quanto exigente, para não dizer elitista, e ao pôres-te a escrever à pressa num iPhone com gralhas e/ou erros gramaticais graves não estás exactamente a passar uma boa imagem dos internautas portugueses... Apesar de ser um bocado sentencioso tento ser um tipo porreiro e fazer mais do que simplesmente deitar as pessoas abaixo, por isso aqui vai a minha mais sincera sugestão construtiva: tenta ler alguma literatura em inglês (não precisa de ser Shakespeare, há por aí muito bons autores fáceis de ler), e experimenta ver filmes em inglês sem legendas ou legendados em inglês (embora nunca o tenha feito ouvi dizer que ajuda), e vais ver que te vais conseguir exprimir muito melhor.

 

[Lesser Evets]

I love these threads where people argue over people who interpret a commercial.

To me it says:

"I'm not smart enough to buy Apple, but it's sexy and smart people love them. Microsoft-- It's ok to be second best. Life without Balls."

Went to the HP site and did a buy upgrade option.....by the time I added the additional software and hardware options to get this computer to the same level as a MacBook Pro it was over $2300.00.....
Think Giampaulo should reconsider...

I did the same thing after the last ad and was shocked by the price of a comparable PC when made to function like a Mac with iLife and iWork. The iWork platform alone saves a "normal" person around $300. Add the spyware and virus ware and the other bits and pieces to stop your easily bugged computer from disintegrating and you pay far more.

 

[fuziwuzi]

Him too, kinda, but I mostly meant Lauren. I don't think she signed up to be a recurring character like Justin Long, she probably just wanted to do the one commercial and get her paycheck. But now all of us cybergeeks are basically cyberstalking her because of the one commercial she did, and that's what's a little unnerving.

oh that sucks. i started a thread on 4chan when they had teh scientology protests last year. and i used gasmask chans pic for the title post. she became a meme. i felt ****. but other people would have the found the images, and teh same thing would have happened regardless. (the original image came from a new site)

it does suck. privacy isn't the same as when i was a kid

 

[50548]

So every paper I've ever written for school doesn't exist. So everything I've done in CS4 doesn't exist.

It's absolutely disgusting of you to say that because something isn't publicly available, it doesn't exist. This shows no intelligence on your part whatsoever.

So the iMac with the 4850 doesn't exist, then, eh?

Yours comments are, at the very least, glib, and show your complete misunderstanding of my point. Apple may simply decide tomorrow NOT to launch SL, due to whatever reason. We don't have access to SL or Windows 7 in their final versions, so anything in between is IRRELEVANT.

So your piece of vaporware will remain just that...a wonderful alpha of a product that doesn't exist, because what matters is whether a piece of software is LEGALLY available before any comparison is validly made.

I have absolutely no idea why you mention your text files or CS4...it's like saying that BeOS is the best OS on the Mac because you were able to install and run it once.

As for the iMac with the 4850, if it's not yet legally on sale, NO, it DOESN'T EXIST. So provide us REAL opinions on products that I can order or have TODAY, not in the vaporware future.

 

[Goona]

No, you don't. You forget that even if 2 million PCs got infected, thats still less than 1% of total PCs running Vista and a fraction of a percent running XP.



Well, I've been using OS X since 10.4.8 and I have a UniBody MacBook now. Been using Vista since before retail launch, XP since retail launch, and Windows since 3.0. I also used Macs back in the System 7 days.

Why do I like Windows better? Lot's of reasons.

Here's a perfect example. Today I bought an external display. It has HDMI, VGA, and DVI inputs. All it took was an HDMI cable to connect it to my PC. Upon first connection, Vista asked me if I wanted to clone or extend my desktop, or use the external display only. I clicked external only, it choose t
he right resolution and refresh rate and shut off the built-in display. That was
it. I didn't need to do anything else.

Now with the Mac. Of course I had to buy a silly adapter. I plug the adapter plus the cable in. Upon first connection Mac OS X extended my desktop. Okay
I don't want that. My only options in software are to clone or extend. With clone I can't pick the proper resolution, but with extend I can. The only way to disable the built-in display is to sleep the system by closing the lid and then
wake it via an external keyboard and mouse or remote control. Then I can use the external display properly. But thanks to Apple's nvidia drivers, I have vsync
issues with flash video content on the external display.

Windows XP on the MacBook behaved nearly the same way as Vista did on the PC. It didn't give me a display prompt, but I was able to disable the built-in
display via software without having to sleep the system.

Now let's talk about other things. System stability. I've been using Vista on multiple PCs and Macs since launch and I've never had an issue with stability
with it. The only stability issue I ever had with XP was back when it first launched and I tried to connect a parallel port scanner that the manufacturer specifically stated was supported on XP. Naturally that caused a BSOD. Funny
enough, I was able to install the drivers in Safe Mode and it functioned just
fine after that.

With OS X on various Macs and various minor and full revisions, I've had random instability no matter what I've done. It wasn't until recent updates to
Leopard could actually say its almost as stable as Vista. I've had it crash doing everything from emptying the trash to burning data to DVD.

Theres also a lot of other nice little things about Windows that OS X can't do. For instance, gaming. I like to play the occasional game. Windows let's me do that. Apple has largely ignored game developers, so game support on the OS
is largely half-assed. You get poor Cider ports or ports from Aspyr that don't run half as good as their Windows counterparts despite both using OpenGL
(Doom 3 is a good example of this).

Another thing would be video support. With a PC you can have multiple HDTV tuners connected, WMC (a far better interface than Frontrow) will control them
all. Not only that but I can get blu-ray support and watch my movies with twice the resolution and nearly 10x the bitrate of Apple's iTunes "HD" movies. The difference between the two is staggering.

I'm a big A/V person, so OS X just literally fails in this department. Frontrow is disgustingly limited compared to Windows Media Center in Vista (and XP,
though XP MCE is ugly). OS X can't do half of what I want it to do when it comes to playing back video (DVD, blu-ray, recorded TV), and it can't play my games. It can do music great, but unfortunately it doesn't have Milkdrop 2. I'm
not about to give up the best visualizer on the market just because iTunes has a prettier interface for keeping my music all in one spot.

I'll go on more later..

So you have all these problems with Macs but yet you keep buying more?

 

[mfronmark]

I bet this guy sold it right away and went out and got a mac.

 

[Tallest Skil]

As for the iMac with the 4850, if it's not yet legally on sale, NO, it DOESN'T EXIST. So provide us REAL opinions on products that I can order or have TODAY, not in the vaporware future.

Seriously?

Better call the cops, then; Apple is selling it.

I have absolutely no idea why you mention your text files or CS4...it's like saying that BeOS is the best OS on the Mac because you were able to install and run it once.

Because your comment that if something isn't publicly available–like my creations–it doesn't exist means that nothing I have made exists.

 

[50548]

Long, Hodgeman, and Goldblum are actors...

EXACTLY. And NONE of them pretend they are innocent "amateurs", as in MS's stupid ad. They act and play like actors; Apple has never intended otherwise.

 

[50548]

Seriously?

Better call the cops, then; Apple is selling it.

Did you see my "if" above?

 

[50548]

70 percent of what market?

Exactly the same question here. Is it the nonexistent Taiwanese market?

 

[Goona]

And a weak point it is. While Apple is slowing the production and expects up to 60% drop in sales, others are enjoying increased demand primarily due to the low cost Netbooks.

Please show us any data to back this up.

 

[Anuba]

So your piece of vaporware will remain just that...a wonderful alpha of a product that doesn't exist

Vaporware? Alpha? The beta has been out for months and the release candidate will be released any day now, and freely available for download (unlimited downloads, I might add). Since the RC expires a few months after the official release, virtually everyone who is even remotely interested in Win7 will leave Vista behind and move to the RC no later than the beginning of May.

 

[Tallest Skil]

Did you see my "if" above?

Yes. And then the point about my intellectual property comes into play.

Fine, then. I, as a human, am not for sale, nor would I ever legally be for sale. I don't exist. Neither do you. Your point is rendered moot by the fact that neither of us exist to argue the point.

Please pick a different argument. Yours is nonsense.

 

[applecultvictim]

Then don't get one of this supposed "vast majority", get one with kickass design, like a Vaio. Since you're willing to pay Mac money, you don't have to resort to clunky bargain-basement PCs. The smallest Vaios make the MacBook Air look oversized.

No they don't. First off, I already have a vaio, trust me it's no marvel at all, and they don't have kickass design, they are better than most of course, but since unibody their design is a a messy affair of screws. They are nowhere nea apple, right now. Unibody has burried everything in lappies, the flow and simplicity that is this aluminum monoblock isn't anyther to be found. About the air the small vaios are dogs with vista cause they have integrated graphics that vista can't handle at all, and I tried one too and I dont find the ee form factor comfy at all, I d much rather do my casual surfing on my iphone and the keyboard tasks on the air.

To cover their own asses, to the point where there's no gratification in spreading malware. The morons who manage to get a Vista PC virus-infested are either complete n00bs, or they're asking for it by downloading warez with embedded viruses AND ignoring the warning issued by UAC, or they're clicking YES > OH YES > I'M 100% SURE > I'M REALLY REALLY 10000% SURE when a Russian porn site asks if it can install a program on the system. I never had any viruses back in the Win98 days when it was much easier to get them, and I sure as sh*t don't have any now.

They are not morons, I don't know how old you are but as a 15+ pc user I have "managed " to get infected a gazilionth of times and I am a power user, until of course now that they made vista a dog with all sorts of armories counter this counter that to avoid gettng infected...Wait..ok you say win98, come on...I had about 20 complete system crashes in my main machines only since then...let's be honest here...

Do your research. Microsoft was the first company to demonstrate an instant search function (in an early build of Longhorn), long before Spotlight was known to anyone outside Apple. Apple and Google, who both have a much much shorter time to market, beat Microsoft to the punch, which wasn't hard to do given that Longhorn/Vista was delayed several times. This timeline is well documented, sorry.

Again you guys have got us arguing over the obvious....how do you want me to argue over vapourware? Since you seem to know some thigns about software engineering yo should know that the end product is what matters? What do you want me to thank them for something they didn't deliver while the rest of the guys already had in the market before them? You are pitting 7 against os x because you too are have nothing, you have us arguing over unrealesed oses and unreleased features because you have so dried up of arguments guys? Give us a break? How about winfs then huh? OR how about kopeland from our boys at apple for that matter. You can't argue about vapourware....

Windows Update makes Apple's crude (and obtrusive) Software Update look like something out of 2002. Explorer has a lot of functionality you won't find in Finder, such as cut/copy/paste files, undo file operations, and full Explorer functionality in Save and Load dialogs. It has way, way easier setup of a home network, like if you want to map a network drive permanently to your machine and have it act like a local disk. Mounting network shares permanently in Leopard is quirky. And when you do heavy duty file operations like move several gigs over the network or to an external drive, Vista shines because if it stumbles upon a file that's open, locked or for some reason can't be moved or copied, it will pause the operation, ask how you want to proceed, allowing you to close the file (if that's the problem) and then continue the operation when you're ready. Wanna know what Finder does? It flat out gives up and leaves you to sort out the file mess, like older Windows versions did. iTunes, while technically not part of the OS, can't even monitor folders for updates, you have to add files manually. WMP will keep constant track of your media folders and update the library accordingly. Those are a few I can think of right now. I could give you a similar list where OS X outshines Windows, but you didn't ask for one.

First off I told you to not include cut/copy and you did, I concede there...let's talk about what you did mention: Windows update? Are you joking? Go to ANY office -and mine too- and see it TURNED OFF in every machine,
Window netowkring easy!!!!!!!! For crying out loud, tell me how many clicks of the mouse you need in vista to find your ip, go ahead tell me: 5-6? MEnu after sub menu of badly layed out crap, you look in the sidebar or in the main window or at the top of this vista mess...I am a pc user too so you won't have it easy with me cause I have been TORTURED BY MS for years. Tell me how easy it is to share files? hahaha, go to properties set share but then it doesn't work why? Cause windows makes a mess of permissions. Tell me how in windows are you going to set a network where you login with one user account from your laptop and this user only has acccess to network files....
COPYING????? you mean where they actually issued a vista update for the known bug of taking gazions of years to copy files...
BURNING? go ahead go now and put ANY program side by side the windows burner, why does the windows burner take 3x at leat the time?????

It's something a normal user may do once or twice a year if he wants to maximize performance. Only crazy-assed gamers and warez junkies who install and uninstall a dozen applications a day and are totally anal about optimal performance 24-7 need to mess with the registry so much that it becomes a weekly or monthly chore.
Honestly, both Windows and OS X are perfectly functional environments to work in, they both have their pros and cons, it's a matter of taste more than anything else. Just as long as you don't become a fanboy of either platform, you're in the clear.

So 8,000,000 downloads on a SINGLE downloads page is a "crazy assed gamer" then for the registry mechanic....

Allow me to make my own choices if I want to support a certan community or not? Is this ok with you? I have had it with ms for years and years and all these greedy .... wanted to do was push more and more of their bloatware on me...for christ sake bill gates wanted the internet to be msn who are you kidding here...he has bullied, they, and monopolized and tortured the average user for years and you are telling us it's apple's fault. I have had problems with apple but there is nowhere close to the hell that is ms. Ask any of us pc guys, at least the intelligent ones, and we are going to tell you how much we love ms...love ms....

 

[50548]

Right, that's nothing like IE...

And since when is QT a web browser? The insertion of IE as a "framework" was simply an artificial way of breaking web standards and forcing you to use it no matter what; go read something about MS antitrust litigation before coming back. Unless you're talking about that horrid web/desktop background beast introduced with Win98 (if I remember well).

 

[Goona]

I think MS hit a homerun on these ads. Cheap is the buzz word of the year. The potential buyers are not going to bother why the Mac is a superior product. Hardware & OS differences will not be researched by the consumer. They see a super low price coupled with specs numbers that suggest bigger is better vs the Mac. We can nitpick all we want but the message from MS will work. PC are cheap. PC are good enough.

MS doesn't care if Windows is never mentioned.

Every PC sale is automatic $$ for MS pockets.

LOL, so ewuatig your brand to being cheap is a good thing, I wonder why all companies aren't going this route.

 

[applecultvictim]

Vaporware? Alpha? The beta has been out for months and the release candidate will be released any day now, and freely available for download (unlimited downloads, I might add). Since the RC expires a few months after the official release, virtually everyone who is even remotely interested in Win7 will leave Vista behind and move to the RC no later than the beginning of May.

THESE ARE ADS ABOUT PCS WITH VISTA, NOT 7.

Again, the ads are about vista, vista, vista.

We can't argue on non commercial software.

Again, we are talking about the ads, these guys bought VISTA.

 

[Tallest Skil]

THESE ARE ADS ABOUT PCS WITH VISTA, NOT 7.

Again, the ads are about vista, vista, vista.

We can't argue on non commercial software.

Again, we are talking about the ads, these guys bought VISTA.

Nothing in either of the ads suggests that Microsoft software runs on either computer. The OS is never mentioned.