but you wont get 100 % operation depending on your pc, but it is good to start with hackintosh , i started with using it and end up buying mbp unibody
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but you wont get 100 % operation depending on your pc, but it is good to start with hackintosh , i started with using it and end up buying mbp unibody
yup... even there M$ screws up. Apple campaign is fun to watch, is intelligent, smooth, and funny.
If I would have an HP or hell craptop, I would run Linux, Solaris, etc. BUT no need for that. I can run all of that in the VM in my apple computer!
Your "own money" - after the free room and board living at home?
Do you pay for tuition, room and board at college from your own earnings, or do you have help?
My arrangement at college was that mom and dad (and the scholarships) covered all the school expenses, and "my money" that I earned over the summer went for toys.
My parents paid for my freshman year, and part of my sophomore year before I had to take off my tuition and housing payments on my own. Work full time during the summer and keep a job during the school year.
I am lucky to be able to afford what I have, but as these ads point out if money gets tight with all of my other expenses a cheap HP seems like the only reasonable option. Which unlike most people on this forum, I would have no problem using.
It probably can run osx. I'd have to check the hardware though. If that thing has firewire it will be a hard choice when it comes time for a new laptop.
already have....6 times.... 3 times for myself
very first one was an Asus D1, put in my own CPU, Ram, HDD, Wireless card
second was an Asus M6BNe gaming whitebook, again, put in my own CPU, Ram Wireless (kick ass atheros card) and HDD
third was an Asus C90, again same as above. building laptops is FASTER and easier than desktops, no cable management needed, its like 15 minutes from parts in boxes to waiting for the OS to install (an Os of my choice that is which is both Ubuntu and XP at the time)
some folks enjoy building their own telescopes. It is beautiful to do so, but it takes a lot of work. Others purchase a go-to telescope. Both type of folks enjoy stargazing in the same star party. Would the second class of folks be 'lemmings' ?
your answer tells me that you simply do not get it... you see, you are not my mother either. She needs a computer that will simply work. your solution is not an option, is it? On and on... useless to continue.
sorry but cars and computers simply cannot compare,
Apple is trying to be a luxury brand like MB/BMW/Lexus/etc,
PC's are the "econo" brands
now in terms of cars, higher end cars usually always have more power, larger engine, better handling. this is not true with computers, most regular PC's are faster than Macs for way less.
if Apple did make cars, sure they would look nice, but they would handle like crap, have no power, and the tires would wear out every 5 months.
with Pc's you would get somethign like the Ariel Atom V8, unreal power, cornering at 1.5+g's, tires are changable to whatever you feel
i guess this has been posted here before but here it is again for bose
http://intellexual.net/bose.html
as for monster cable, they are garbage quality for a rediculous price
professional grade quality cables simply do not cost that much (its the diffrence between getting RIPPED OFF and paying for quality)
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/
im all about spending money, but what i spend money on better be WORTH my money, not spending $2000 on a computer and have it run slower than an $800. my computers are usually $500-$800 but they run as fast as a $3000 mac.
looks of the machine or how shiny they are dont really help the computer encode a video. apple is like those ricers that put decals or NOS stickers on their car pretending they are fast but are dead slow under the hood
EDIT: here we go, monster cables
http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables
http://consumerist.com/353938/monster-cables-monster-ripoff-80-markups
you THINK its improved but never actaully sat down to use it?
i still havent had an issue with 64bit vista on 2 of my machines other than the fact i cant run sandboxie anymore but thats fine since they both have VMWARE for software testing.
drivers are no longer an issue unless your machine is from 2001.
my Athlon Thunderbird 1GHz overclocked to 1.2GHz
640MB ram
80GB HDD
radeon 8500 128MB
Abit KT7a Raid
cannot run vista because Via doesnt make Raid drivers for 64bit, but it is from 2002 according to the bios date.
actually yes.
it says that I value quality in life over quantity,.
to me, owning a mac feels as when going to hear a well executed symphony. If you know what you are hearing, then you will appreciate it.
owning a pc feels as when going to a concert. you may enjoy the outdoors, the music, the drunk folks next to you.
having enjoyed both at one point or another (by exercising freedom to choose what pleases me), at the very least, when you get home, you smell different.
aahhh... to own a mac!
Do you actually believe this stuff? You think owning a mac actually improves your quality of life? I own two macs, laptop and desktop. I own one windows box that I am running Windows 7 on. W7 kills OSX for me. Vista 64 always ran fine, but W7 makes OSX look like a clunker. MS has a complete winner on their hands IMO. Couple that with the much better hardware offerings, and I think Apple will be in trouble.
Being completely platform agnostic, it's a lot easier to see things as they are. Some of the comments in here are absurd, such as macs are more stable, has better graphics, is better for creative work etc. Do people STILL believe this meme from the 90's? My Windows 7 box does EVERYTHING better than OSX does, except for iPhone programming (naturally). I wish some of the diehard macheads would actually just try a Windows box instead of saying they are all garbage.
Also my girlfriends VAIO is far superior to my macbook, unfortunately for me. I know a lot of people just don't want to accept this, but MS makes a good platform and other hardware makers make good computers. Apple is hardly the be all, end all. In fact I would say they've really been taking a dive in the quality of their hardware in recent years. At this point if I could go all Windows I would, but I can't. W7 is going to be a huge hit. It's fantastic looking and allows me to work more efficiently than any other OS.
This is hilarious to me, my girlfriend had just bought a 17-inch HP from Costco when I first met her. None of her software from her XP desktop worked because the HP had Windows Vista, the thing weighed over 7lbs, and the battery lasted barely an hour.
On like our third date we went and exchanged the HP for cash, went directly to the Apple Store and bought her a MacBook. She's never been happier.
On like our third date we went and exchanged the HP for cash, went directly to the Apple Store and bought her a MacBook. She's never been happier.
thats funny, i have a made up story thats similar to yours
my friend bought a macbook with 10.4 and he had a bunch of software for school, and when he upgraded to 10.5 none of it worked.
another story is my coworkers macbook's HDD died with everything he had on it, he didnt know that macs were prone to HW failures just like PC's were, i replaced the HDD for $70 with a 250GB 7200RPM, half the price of what the apple store would of charged him and reimaged it for him.
another coworker saw i had a dell mini 9 with OSX and asked me what it was, he didnt know that you could hack OSX and throw it on any computer you wish. being a rich guy he bought one the next day and asked me to put osx on for him. whats funny is the dell mini for under $400 has as much ram as him macbook air but double the HDD space
oh wait all 3 of those are true, nevermind
or you build your own HW and overclock to its limit so no PC or Mac can touch you in terms of performance, then triple boot and have OSX86, Vista64 and Ubuntu 64 to have the best of everything on the fastest HW.
apple computers provide just as much job security with random failures, defective hw, and poor craftsmanship
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1911930&tstart=0
http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2006/06/4449.ars
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/594520/
macs use lower quality components than what is readily avalible on newegg
for example
Macs all use Micron Ram, its good as VALUE ram, but not good in terms of speed and performance (cas latency, clock speed, DDR3 at 1066 is a JOKE), Corsair Dominator, OCZ Reaper, super talent and Patriot Viper ram will anihilate that value micron in performance
HDD's the cheapest of the cheap, almost all of them have 5400RPMs by default with a low amount of cache, at newegg there are tones of 7200RPM drives with 16MB cache
CPU's Core2duos are the stupidest CPU's to use with DDR3, the reason why DDR3 and i7s or AM2 and above cpus go together well is because the memory controller is built into the cpu itself and not on the slow ass northbridge
any argument concerning ddr3 vs ddr2 on a laptop for macs is USELESS, you dont get the true performance of DDR3 unless you are running a high clock speed (some DDR3 ram on newegg runs at 2100MHz, not a lame 1066MHz) tripple ch and the mem controller is built into the cpu running at CPU SPEEDS.
the NICs, all cheap marvell or broadcom chips, no config options, limited offloading capabilities, jumbo frames? the NICs apple uses are BUDGET nics. not performance or server/workstation grade nics.
video cards all the choices are a joke. and 8800GT is HOW OLD? on a mac pro? seriously? sure they have like a 4850 but again, thats how old? it came out a year ago
You're on an Apple forum - didn't you know that choice is bad?
Instead, you'll pay through the nose for laptop parts in a "laptop in a stand", that Apple calls a "desktop" unless you ask for the desktop warranty.
oh i know this first hand since almost 40 or 50% of those POS first gen intel imacs have their logic board die. right after the 1.5 year mark 2 of my friends had their imacs fail, guess how much a repair is, $970 Effin dollars to replace the motherboard, FFS!!!!!!
needless to say, both of those friends got me to build a gaming rig for $700 (the rigs were faster, cheaper, and can play GAMES!) this was the time when Core2duo E8400's were out and almost everyone on hardforum overclocked theirs to 4GHz from 3GHz, at this time NO CPU could touch an overclocked e8400 for the price.
Odd, I have two of those machines in my own home. My mother-in-law also has one. And my brother-in-law. And two coworkers. And a friend. I should know - I bought them all on their behalf at a university clearance sale. That's 7 machines of the exact model you refer to within my own circle of family and friends. And not one of them has had a logic board die.
This is 100% true.
The 40 or 50%, on the other hand, you appear to have have pulled out of your arse. Apparently you don't know anything "first hand."
Troll Different.
P.S. We're all very impressed that you've built your own PCs. Guess what - so have I. And when all is said and done, I have a fast machine that makes a lot of noise at a reasonable price in a ghetto-looking case that runs a POS operating system and loses half its value the first time I power it up. And guess what - the money saved is no longer worth my time and aggravation (not to mention the Hell that is Windows).
the guy is tech savvy, what if he DBAN's the HDD immediately and installs ubuntu or gentoo? i dont know if that worm infects any linux OS.
as with all my preassembled laptops i dban the HDD and make my own partitions, i dont even let the preinstalled windows boot up, and im not THAT tech savvy compared to some. i still have troubles with gentoo (trouble as in ive never been able to install it lol)
my antec 900 isnt really gheto looking (and the people on newegg, all 2500+ of them that reviewed the case seem to agree as well), more like functional and sophisticated looking (all black no blue LED's). also all 6x 120mm are fan controlled, it can be as loud or as quiet as i want it to be, hell i can even turn off the fans and do regular desktop work since my tuniq tower can passively cool my OC'd e8400
vista isnt a POS when its more adv than OSX in alot of areas. but if you dont know how to use any other OS than i can see why it would be frustrating, its like jumping into a car and not knowing how to drive.
i build alot of computers for friends, coworkers and myself (as well as bring computers from 2001-2003 back from the dead) ive really never had a computer that wasnt 100% operational and FAST after i built it or reimaged it.
this weekend i got this Athlon Thunderbird 1GHz working with XP SP3 and it boots in less than 45 seconds from power off to inside the windows desktop NO HDD activity. the only driver that wasnt built in was the ATi video card (8500 128MB)
so about the Hell that is windows, its a hellva lot more fun to game in windows so i agree with your statement.
also try selling your older mac in peices, you'll get NOTHING for the stuff inside, old HDD's are worth anything and neither are old CPU's, which is funny since if you part out a car you get MORE than just selling it as 1 peice. i wonder why that is.
Truth is, when I actually consider a PC, the only one that comes close is the 17" Lenova...and its more than twice expensive than the 17" Apple laptop.
(Of course the graphics card at 1gb vs. 512mb is a leap, and the built in wacom, etc. Sure its not as well laid out as the apple...but point is - the PC isnt really cheaper for what Im looking for.)
Now if Apple can just stop making laptops with screen issues. This has plagued them since the release of the LED displays...and was surprised it continued with the unibodies, and now the 17". Come on apple - that is rotten.
Peace
dAlen
p.s.
What would be more beneficial for Microsoft, from an ad campaign perspective, is showing someone buying a mac, but loading Vista on it. "Dude, I love the Mac, but cant live without my Vista" (No, Im not saying this at all...but its what they sell and how they should focus, seeing you can load the software on any machine.)
No no no.
What I did was go with base configurations on the Mac Pro and bring the Dell up (or down) in options so that they were equal.
RAM and hard drives are not the issue, as the upgrades are more affordable on Dell's side.
The issue is that you did not use i7 Nehalem Xeons and ECC RAM in your pricing. Big mistake. Go spec for spec on both machines and you will see that the Dell is quite a bit more expensive, and this is because they charge more of a premium on their Xeons. This was the same thing with the Mac Pro and Precisions that used Harpertown Xeons, the Macs were spec-for-spec $500-$1000 cheaper back then too.
My pricing examples still stand, the Mac Pro is a much cheaper option than the Precision in both Quad and Octo core configurations. The HP blows both out of the water as far as pricing goes, just way way more expensive. What you CAN'T do with a Mac Pro is go with a much cheaper Core 2 Duo option, which you can with a Dell (IMO the biggest hole in Apple's product line is no C2D machines with PCI-E expansion). So you can get a slower machine for cheaper, but match them part for part and you're looking at a great deal with the Mac Pro (if only the Minis and low end Macbooks were so competitively priced).
Learn to configure machines properly before trying to make a point.
I don't quite understand what all the fuss is about. I like Apple (yes, the company) and their products, but don't see what people are getting upset about with these commercials. Looking back on some of the Apple commercials targeting Microsoft, they were making claims along the lines of not being able to plug a camera into a PC and have it recognize it. Quite frankly, I have yet to see a camera plugged into a Windows operating system fail (maybe someone has?).
As for these adds, one should feel good for owning a Mac after seeing these. When someone owns a BMW and watches a Pontiac commercial explaining how 0-60mph times, price, and miles per gallon is better, the commercial misses the point. The BMW owner (such as the Mac owner) put extra money in to get what they wanted. This does not necessarily mean that a Pontiac (PC) is a bad product, just that the other is better in many regards. However, when one cannot afford a BMW (Mac), consequences have to be made. I would agree completely that they are probably much better off spending the extra $whatever to get the better product, but sometimes that just isn't an option.
And honestly, who on here has never bought *anything* and just gone ahead and taken the cheaper one of the choices??
Just my $.02
As for these adds, one should feel good for owning a Mac after seeing these. When someone owns a BMW and watches a Pontiac commercial explaining how 0-60mph times, price, and miles per gallon is better, the commercial misses the point. The BMW owner (such as the Mac owner) put extra money in to get what they wanted. This does not necessarily mean that a Pontiac (PC) is a bad product, just that the other is better in many regards. However, when one cannot afford a BMW (Mac), consequences have to be made. I would agree completely that they are probably much better off spending the extra $whatever to get the better product, but sometimes that just isn't an option.
And honestly, who on here has never bought *anything* and just gone ahead and taken the cheaper one of the choices??
Just my $.02
no joke. and isn't it interesting that both folks picked an HP machine. hmmmm.
seriously, a windows ad should be about windows. not about hardware. as dumb as the "I'm a pc and I'm 4" ads were, at least they were talking about Windows.
I'm kind of surprised they don't show them buying a Microsoft mouse with all the leftover money since the purchases are so under-budget. Plus, the slot machine ad banners were about what else you can buy with the money you don't spend on a Mac. I think those would go hand-in-hand and would have been a perfect commercial within the campaign's message.
exactly which nonsense is that.
is the 'nonsense' that
1. statistically there is more malware aimed at Windows than Mac
2. that Macs come with a setup assistant that makes that initial start up kids play
3. that there are folks at every Apple store that will data transfer files from your old mac OR PC for you for free when you buy a new computer
4. that you can get free training and tech support at every store (you won't get that at Frys, CompUSA etc)
5. that Macs come with two pre-installed suites of programs to help you actually start doing stuff on your computer. and more than just email and web browsing
shall I go on
clearly you are anti-Apple which makes turning up on an Apple site to blast the brand nothing short of trolling but at least have the decency to know what you are talking about.
There ain't much room in a discount tomb
A guy came by the house the other day.
He said, "You want to buy some whiskey?"
I said, "Is it good?"
He said, "It's cheap"
I said, "It's purple"
He said, "It's cheap"
Aw, in the end he got the worst.
Wouldn't you know I'd make him drink some first!
(from "Three Men, One Coffin" Deja Voodoo)
A guy came by the house the other day.
He said, "You want to buy some whiskey?"
I said, "Is it good?"
He said, "It's cheap"
I said, "It's purple"
He said, "It's cheap"
Aw, in the end he got the worst.
Wouldn't you know I'd make him drink some first!
(from "Three Men, One Coffin" Deja Voodoo)
Well, this is still burning along nicely, isn't it?
Slightly off topic, I've been informed by Anuba that my genuine copy of Vista Home Premium can be installed on a BootCamp partition on my iMac since it's long since been removed from my previous iMac. I was of the (wrong) impression that Vista was an install-once-only piece of software, so I'm pleased that I'll be able to get that up and running once I get home from the office tonight.
There are a lot of people for who the idea of running Windows on a Mac is blasphamy, but in my line of work I need access to Internet Explorer since 90% of the world browse on it. If my work doesn't look right displayed in IE, I don't get paid: end of story.
So while I switched to Macs almost a decade ago, I'm not that stubborn as to cut myself off completely when something I need is right there. Do I prefer OS X to Windows Vista? Absolutely. Do I prefer a Macintosh to a PC? Again, absolutely. Will I jepordise income because I prefer one OS to another? Of course not.
And, in Vista's defence, at least it doesn't look quite as much like something Tomy Toys came up with, which is exactly how XP looks.
Slightly off topic, I've been informed by Anuba that my genuine copy of Vista Home Premium can be installed on a BootCamp partition on my iMac since it's long since been removed from my previous iMac. I was of the (wrong) impression that Vista was an install-once-only piece of software, so I'm pleased that I'll be able to get that up and running once I get home from the office tonight.
There are a lot of people for who the idea of running Windows on a Mac is blasphamy, but in my line of work I need access to Internet Explorer since 90% of the world browse on it. If my work doesn't look right displayed in IE, I don't get paid: end of story.
So while I switched to Macs almost a decade ago, I'm not that stubborn as to cut myself off completely when something I need is right there. Do I prefer OS X to Windows Vista? Absolutely. Do I prefer a Macintosh to a PC? Again, absolutely. Will I jepordise income because I prefer one OS to another? Of course not.
And, in Vista's defence, at least it doesn't look quite as much like something Tomy Toys came up with, which is exactly how XP looks.