Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial

[DMann]

Then, quite simply, it will be your choice not to use the screen.

"Choice" is a good thing.

We have been discussing laptops in this thread, however, so the typical case is that your fingers are already within centimetres of the screen.

The choice then is:

- Moving the fingers to the track pad, moving the cursor, then clicking MB1 (or standing on your head, scratching your package, and holding another key down while clicking MB1 to show that you want an MB3 click).​

or

- Touch the button or link on the webpage or form​

Your blow by blow description does not address the fact that the action of removing your hand up and away from the keyboard/trackpad area, off of the keyboard, toward the screen, requires much more physical effort in terms of energy and resistance to gravity when compared to being able to maintain contact with the keyboard and trackpad area, essentially having your hand already upon the virtual screen.(trackpad) If poking at a screen is your choice, than by all means, indulge yourself.

It's not a "choice" if it's the only thing that Apple offers.

This is why it is possible to utilize a mouse, a wireless mouse, an external keyboard, a wireless external keyboard, and even an external monitor, if one so chooses. Heck, one can even install Win 7 on a Mac and utilize the screen for input. Nothing at all wrong with choice.

 

[4D4M]

also try selling your older mac in peices, you'll get NOTHING for the stuff inside, old HDD's are worth anything and neither are old CPU's, which is funny since if you part out a car you get MORE than just selling it as 1 peice. i wonder why that is.

Who would be dumb enough to do that?

A Mac is greater than the sum of its parts.

Especially when those parts all work together in harmony to run a truly great OS.

 

[Anuba]

depends on what the paperweight is made of.

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/item...SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_rdc=1

Ranges from $200-$400. Original model sold for $600-$700, if I'm not mistaken. From what I can tell, it's the model that was sold in July 2005?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini

Someone would actually pay $200-400 for a G4 Mini? Why?! Are they collectors? An Intel Mini is useful for basic tasks, but the G4 Mini doesn't even have the oomph of an entry-level netbook. I had been thinking of selling it for $50 in case someone wanted the housing to build a new computer, but.. eBay here I come.

Your blow by blow description does not address the fact that the action of removing your hand up and away from the keyboard/trackpad area, off of the keyboard, toward the screen, requires much more physical effort in terms of energy and resistance to gravity when compared to being able to maintain contact with the keyboard and trackpad area, essentially having your hand already upon the virtual screen.(trackpad) If poking at a screen is your choice, than by all means, indulge yourself.
This is why it is possible to utilize a mouse, a wireless mouse, an external keyboard, a wireless external keyboard, and even an external monitor, if one so chooses. Heck, one can even install Win 7 on a Mac and utilize the screen for input. Nothing at all wrong with choice.

I agree that a regular laptop is the wrong form factor for a touchscreen. It's for tablets, and maybe iMac-style all-in-ones like the one HP is selling now. Considering the hinge problems on some Mac portables (the TiBook was notorious for it, and lately the MBA) I would not think it's a good idea to have people poking at the screen until it developes a 7-inch "slop" and ends up hanging like a flap door.

 

[student_trap]

You are confusing two terms: Price vs Value.

here here

 

[Saxguy87]

Seriously People?

Do we have to talk hardware when it comes to comparing Apple to Microsoft. Okay, there are cases where you can buy a PC with quasi-similar hardware to a Mac for less than the price of a Mac. What are you trying to say? Cheap computers are the best computers? That's the only time I've ever noticed that in our society. Now, granted, the current economic situation could probably allude to more people looking for better deals when they purchase high-tech products, but have you looked in an Apple Store lately? I use it to prove to myself that this economic recession doesn't hit everybody, there are still people willing to go out and drop $2-3Gs on technology. If you really wanna compare software, I'm sorry, Apple wins. They have for many years. When people ask me why I use a mac instead of a PC, I don't say because it's 'cool' or because of 'Leopard,' or that PC people are stupid, or anything like that. I say I use a Mac for 5 things:

1) Logic Studio (I'm a musician, duh)
2) iPhoto
3) iMovie
4) iChat
5) Keynote

Anyone who has ever truly used these softwares and done something with them knows that they work extremely well, they don't require a degree to operate, anything you produce looks, feels, and sounds AMAZING and the software is relatively inexpensive (Even Logic Studio at $499 beats many variations of ProTools that do the same thing). Now, if MICROSOFT developed QUALITY consumer and professional software that produced things to the degree of Apple's Software suites, then I would say Apple has competition, but not over silly hardware. Sure, you can buy a PC for less than a Mac, you can also buy a PC for less than most other PCs out there, so what's your point, really? Were you going to buy a simple basic computer, or something that does great work for you at ease?

 

[DMann]

Do we have to talk hardware when it comes to comparing Apple to Microsoft. Okay, there are cases where you can buy a PC with quasi-similar hardware to a Mac for less than the price of a Mac. What are you trying to say? Cheap computers are the best computers? That's the only time I've ever noticed that in our society. Now, granted, the current economic situation could probably allude to more people looking for better deals when they purchase high-tech products, but have you looked in an Apple Store lately? I use it to prove to myself that this economic recession doesn't hit everybody, there are still people willing to go out and drop $2-3Gs on technology. If you really wanna compare software, I'm sorry, Apple wins. They have for many years. When people ask me why I use a mac instead of a PC, I don't say because it's 'cool' or because of 'Leopard,' or that PC people are stupid, or anything like that. I say I use a Mac for 5 things:

1) Logic Studio (I'm a musician, duh)
2) iPhoto
3) iMovie
4) iChat
5) Keynote

Anyone who has ever truly used these softwares and done something with them knows that they work extremely well, they don't require a degree to operate, anything you produce looks, feels, and sounds AMAZING and the software is relatively inexpensive (Even Logic Studio at $499 beats many variations of ProTools that do the same thing). Now, if MICROSOFT developed QUALITY consumer and professional software that produced things to the degree of Apple's Software suites, then I would say Apple has competition, but not over silly hardware. Sure, you can buy a PC for less than a Mac, you can also buy a PC for less than most other PCs out there, so what's your point, really? Were you going to buy a simple basic computer, or something that does great work for you at ease?

Agreed. It seems some people would rather defend a rather pointless commercial, or bicker about Apple's premium for premium integrated solutions.

 

[Anuba]

1) Logic Studio (I'm a musician, duh)
2) iPhoto
3) iMovie
4) iChat
5) Keynote

Anyone who has ever truly used these softwares and done something with them knows that they work extremely well, they don't require a degree to operate, anything you produce looks, feels, and sounds AMAZING and the software is relatively inexpensive (Even Logic Studio at $499 beats many variations of ProTools that do the same thing).

Sure, if the out-of-the-box applications matter to you the Mac beats PC hands down. Personally I don't really care about those. My tools of choice are:

Cubase
A truckload of VST/VSTi plugins for Cubase
Reason
Flash
Photoshop
Illustrator
Dreamweaver
Office
iTunes

In other words it doesn't really matter whether I'm on PC or Mac. The applications I listed are identical on both platforms, with some minor advantages for PC: Cubase is slightly more stable. Reason can handle a marginally heavier workload. Photoshop is 64-bit. And Office 2007 is so much better than Office:Mac 2008 it's ridiculous. iTunes, bizarrely, is better because I keep my music library on a 1 TB network drive, which works flawlessly in Windows, but iTunes on Mac doesn't really like it (sometimes it loses sight of the network drive so I get exclamation points in front of my iTunes songs, and have to painstakingly go through all the songs with the "!" symbol and tell iTunes where they are... because the system sees the NAS drive but iTunes is momentarily blind). And then there's my administrative software for stuff like bookkeeping, which isn't available for Mac at all.

My choice between Mac and PC actually comes down to which room I want to work in on any given day. If I feel like sitting in my studio I use PC. If I feel like working in the living room I use the iMac. My online friends show up in Messenger on both machines. It's all good. From my perspective the platform war makes little sense because they do the same job as far as I'm concerned, and neither platform has the horrible shortcomings or the amazing advantages everyone keeps arguing about.

 

[Rob0711]

guys. get a life. and stop watching ms ads...

both sides have pro and con sides. choose one or choose both. but don´t waste a sunny day comparing lemons to apples.

after all. those are all just tools to get your stuff done.

and before i get walls of flame launched in my side. i do have an intel mac pro. and i´d never install windows on it. had been on that side far too many years in my past. sure . some love it. some hate it. but at the end of the day. i don´t care. i´ve made my choice

 

[Trajectory]

Quit that crazy talk, you hear! Don't mess up this discussion with facts. Don't want to hear that!

It wasn't facts, it was an opinion. If you hate everything Apple makes why do you bother coming here?

 

[Winni]

If you want to compare Microsoft's products with Apple's products, you can only do so on the software platform level. And here Microsoft has created an ecosystem for an entire industry while Apple has created a proprietary, closed platform mostly for themselves.

When you're locked in to Apple's software products, you have no choice but to stay with Apple's hardware portfolio. When you use competing products, you will quickly find that most of them are available for multiple platforms and you are not locked into Apple anymore.

On the hardware level, you can only compare Apple to other OEMs, the major difference being that Apple targets the upper-price segment of the prosumer market. Apple is not a player in the enterprise field and they are also not a player in the low cost segment.

HP and Microsoft combined target both the lower end consumer AND the enterprise market -- neither of the two is Apple's domain.

Anyway, gotta go.

 

[offwidafairies]

these ads are great - they make me think about my next computer - especially with the economy the way it is right now. im not about to go out and buy an overpriced mac

 

[Anuba]

these ads are great - they make me think about my next computer - especially with the economy the way it is right now. im not about to go out and buy an overpriced mac

Not all Macs are overpriced; some are, some are merely expensive but not overpriced, others are actually not that bad.

The MBP 17" compares favorably to other high-end 17" notebooks from other manufacturers.

MBP 15" with the same specs (4 GB, 2.66 GHz etc) only costs $300 less than the 17" model, which makes the MBP 15" very overpriced, especially considering the mediocre 1440x900 resolution.

A Mac Pro with Nehalem processor(s) may actually end up being cheaper (provided you stay away from the options) than a Dell Precision w/ Nehalem, because Apple has had them for a while but Dell just started selling Nehalem machines last week and are apparently very boisterous over being able to offer Nehalem Xeon machines, so they think they can charge an arm and a leg. This won't last long once the price war against HP (and others) starts.

An iMac 24" may not have the juice of a minitower due to the fact that iMac uses components intended for laptops, but if you're not a gamer looking for mad framerates you'll find that the package you get (a desktop machine and a 24" 1920x1200 screen) has OK-ish value for the money.

Unibody MacBook... ugh, way overpriced for the specs, stinky screen resolution. Not a good deal.

Mac Mini: No, please. It's weak, and now they've added some weird "green tax" just because the energy consumption is low. They must have looked at biodynamically grown vegetables and somehow figured that there are hippies out there who will pay extra to save mother Earth. But those hippies need the extra cash for weed, they're not gonna spend it on green computers.

 

[KnightWRX]

Mac Mini: No, please. It's weak, and now they've added some weird "green tax" just because the energy consumption is low. They must have looked at biodynamically grown vegetables and somehow figured that there are hippies out there who will pay extra to save mother Earth. But those hippies need the extra cash for weed, they're not gonna spend it on green computers.

The mini is actually very comparable to the Dell Studio Hybrid in terms of price and features. Low power is good, it saves on your electricity bill if you're the kind of person to just let the computer run all day.

 

[Anuba]

The mini is actually very comparable to the Dell Studio Hybrid in terms of price and features. Low power is good, it saves on your electricity bill if you're the kind of person to just let the computer run all day.

Fine, then both the Studio Hybrid and the Mini are overpriced. And if the ability to save money is the sales pitch, it makes even less sense to pay extra for this "feature". Of course they save power. They're weak. Hey, put in an Atom processor and it'll save even more power. Does that mean it should cost even more than the current one with Core 2 Duo? 'Cause last time I checked, processor power and speed is the #1 factor governing the price on computers.

 

[iPhoneNYC]

The first ad was kind of cute. As a series it is annoying. But I still don't understand why all PCs are afraid of all Apples - in the end the casual viewer could just as well want to check out the "sexy" laptop instead of the "eat your veggies" one.

 

[Tallest Skil]

Idea:

Microsoft goes back to selling products that they make, starting with SongSmith with its retail name:

Microsoft Band 2009: Garage Edition

 

[Goona]

Or you can have quality with quantity and just install OSX86 and enjoy Mac OSX on more powerful hardware thats much cheaper.

I love OSX but I'm not a lemming thats going to let Apple price gouge me.

Not all of us want to hack computers.

 

[iMpathetic]

Not all of us want to hack computers.

It's not hard and it's not as if we're ripping the heads off of puppies here. Since when did this "hacking" become so horrible?

I don't even think it's hacking. It's a slightly more complicated install process, but now you can do everything through the GUI. No Terminal stuff anymore.

 

[Goona]

i guess this has been posted here before but here it is again for bose

http://intellexual.net/bose.html

as for monster cable, they are garbage quality for a rediculous price

professional grade quality cables simply do not cost that much (its the diffrence between getting RIPPED OFF and paying for quality)
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

im all about spending money, but what i spend money on better be WORTH my money, not spending $2000 on a computer and have it run slower than an $800. my computers are usually $500-$800 but they run as fast as a $3000 mac.

looks of the machine or how shiny they are dont really help the computer encode a video. apple is like those ricers that put decals or NOS stickers on their car pretending they are fast but are dead slow under the hood

EDIT: here we go, monster cables

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers-sound-as-good-monster-cables

http://consumerist.com/353938/monster-cables-monster-ripoff-80-markups

Why does it bother you what people do with their money, is it your money, do what you want with your money and allow others to spend what they want with their money.

 

[iMpathetic]

P.S. We're all very impressed that you've built your own PCs. Guess what - so have I. And when all is said and done, I have a fast machine that makes a lot of noise at a reasonable price in a ghetto-looking case that runs a POS operating system and loses half its value the first time I power it up. And guess what - the money saved is no longer worth my time and aggravation (not to mention the Hell that is Windows).

A lot of noise? You know quiet fans are about $10, right?

Ghetto-looking case. Tear. Buy one of the other 300 on the market instead of the one you just bought (that you don't like?).

POS operating system. Windows isn't actually that bad. Having used all sorts of operating systems, I love the Mac OS, but Windows comes in second, and there's no saying you can't get anything done. If you have AVG or something, *poof* there goes your virus problem.

You could also install OS X, which is horrible, unethical, and too hard...

 

[Goona]

Do you actually believe this stuff? You think owning a mac actually improves your quality of life? I own two macs, laptop and desktop. I own one windows box that I am running Windows 7 on. W7 kills OSX for me. Vista 64 always ran fine, but W7 makes OSX look like a clunker. MS has a complete winner on their hands IMO. Couple that with the much better hardware offerings, and I think Apple will be in trouble.

Being completely platform agnostic, it's a lot easier to see things as they are. Some of the comments in here are absurd, such as macs are more stable, has better graphics, is better for creative work etc. Do people STILL believe this meme from the 90's? My Windows 7 box does EVERYTHING better than OSX does, except for iPhone programming (naturally). I wish some of the diehard macheads would actually just try a Windows box instead of saying they are all garbage.

Also my girlfriends VAIO is far superior to my macbook, unfortunately for me.
I know a lot of people just don't want to accept this, but MS makes a good
platform and other hardware makers make good computers. Apple is
hardly the be all, end all. In fact I would say they've really been taking a dive
in the quality of their hardware in recent years. At this point if I could go all
Windows I would, but I can't. W7 is going to be a huge hit. It's fantastic
looking and allows me to work more efficiently than any other OS.

Windows 7 is going to be so huge that they will still be offering XP downgrades when it is released, Ballmer himself called it a service pack.

 

[Tallest Skil]

Why does it bother you what people do with their money, is it your money, do what you want with your money and allow others to spend what they want with their money.

Letting idiots do whatever they want with their money is how the economy got how it is. The intelligent people deserve to have a say in what everyone does with their money.

Even something as simple as, "No, you can't have that loan, you have no credit."

or

"I'm sorry, your credit card has been denied. You can't buy this object. You have $30,000 of debt."

For CRYING out loud. It's not about what they want to do, it's about what they need to do.

 

[Anuba]

Why does it bother you what people do with their money, is it your money, do what you want with your money and allow others to spend what they want with their money.

There wasn't a lot of that logic going around in the Apple community when they cut the price on the iPhone.

Day 1: "Sure, the iPhone costs a little more, but I feel that Apple's products are worth it".
Day 2: "GIMME BACK MY $200!!!"

 

[r.j.s]

Idea:

Microsoft goes back to selling products that they make, starting with SongSmith with its retail name:

Microsoft Band 2009: Garage Edition

You had to know it was coming ...

Video

 

[KnightWRX]

Letting idiots do whatever they want with their money is how the economy got how it is. The intelligent people deserve to have a say in what everyone does with their money.

Even something as simple as, "No, you can't have that loan, you have no credit."

False, no one deserves to have a say what an "idiot" does with his money. Afterall, it is his own money. What you're thinking (loans, credit) aren't that "idiot's" money.

The economy got to the point it is now because of frauds that were lending money to people who couldn't possibly reimburse said money. No one has ever gotten into trouble for spending money they had.