You may have time for it, some of us don't want to go through the hassles. If it is so simple I wonder why everyonen isn't doing it, hmmmm.
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Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial
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You may have time for it, some of us don't want to go through the hassles. If it is so simple I wonder why everyonen isn't doing it, hmmmm.
what they didnt show
What they failed to show in this commercial was when he got the computer home and hooked it up and within a few days it got all spywared up and he had to redo the entire computer because its windows.. It's a good thing they gave him the money to buy it because no one would want to waste money on crap like that. I'd rather spend a few extra bucks and have a computer that work every single day of my life..
What they failed to show in this commercial was when he got the computer home and hooked it up and within a few days it got all spywared up and he had to redo the entire computer because its windows.. It's a good thing they gave him the money to buy it because no one would want to waste money on crap like that. I'd rather spend a few extra bucks and have a computer that work every single day of my life..
Last time I checked it was people with their fancy Hardvard MBA's who ran all the investment banks and AIG into the ground causing this whole mess, and people at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, sure wouldn't call them "idiots". But you can continue to blame it on people buying overpriced Macs, Bose, and Monster cable, lol.
What's an "i7 Nehalem Xeon" - Intel doesn't list those.
Please tell me what's wrong with this price comparision for quad Nehalem workstations:
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Dell Precision T3500 64bit Mac Pro Quad
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[B]Price $ 1,980[/B] Price $ 2,748
Vista® Business Service Pack 1, Mac OSX, 32-bit kernel, 64-bit app
with media, 64-bit
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® W3520 Quad Core Intel® Xeon® W3520
2.66GHz, 8M L3, 4.8GT/s, Turbo 2.66GHz, 8M L3, 4.8GT/s, Turbo
[url=http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=39718](W3520 spec)[/url]
3GiB, 1066MHz,DDR3 SDRAM, 3GiB, 1066MHz,DDR3 SDRAM,
ECC (3x1GiB DIMMS) ECC (3x1GiB DIMMS)
[B]Six DDR3 memory slots [/B] Four DDR3 memory slots
[B]512MiB NVIDIA® Quadro® FX 580,[/B] 512 MiB NVIDIA GeForce GT 120
[B]DUAL MON, 2 DP & 1 DVI[/B] DUAL MON, 1 MDP & 1 DVI
[B]750GB SATA 3Gb/s with NCQ[/B] and 640 GB SATA 7200
16MB DataBurst Cache™
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ [B]18x DVD+/-RW[/B]
and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
Dell QuietKey Keyboard Apple Keyboard with numeric pad
Dell USB 2 Button Optical Mouse Apple Mighty Mouse
3 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 3 Year AppleCare
[B]3 Year Next Business Day Onsite Service[/B]Price difference: $ 768
Bold highlights the "better" items where there are significant differences
You sound like someone who just returned from a meeting at the Youth Centre of some religious cult, where you were told to stay away from kids who party because at their parties they drink human blood, worship Satan and perform impromptu abortions on bystanders.
"All spywared up" and having to "redo the entire computer" after a few days? Is that what the preacher told you? Did he mention anything about the blood drinking and the abortions?
Please stick to realistic arguments against Windows, there are plenty of those too you know.
Well, you took the entry-level (if there is such a word for Pro machines) T3500, which I believe has fewer hard disk slots than a Mac Pro, and a single CPU socket. The Mac Pro is somewhere between the T5500 and the T7500.
Also, I went to dell.se and apple.se when I checked these prices a couple of days ago, so there might be some local deviations for Sweden there (though normally those are not in Apple's favor).
(Sorry for the consecutive posts, I thought there'd be half a dozen inbetween before I was finished).
The T3500 has 4 hard drive bays and 2 optical bays - no difference there.
The Quad Mac Pro only has one CPU socket, it is not upgradeable to an Octo. Even if you could in theory swap the daughter cards, in practice Apple would not sell the upgrade.
I think that these configs are pretty close (although the Dell definitely has the edge in graphics and the two additional memory slots).
IF you like throwing money away, monster is the best in the industry. Sure they have great marketing. But in the end your $180 Monster cable has the same quality as a $10 cable. Oww yeah one better looks/design - Monster. Just google monster and you will find out that they are a complete ripoff. One article on gizmodo /engadget has a comparison between a coat hanger and a monster cable.... the independent listener could not tell the difference.
As for Bose, Again great marketing / design. Decent sound but not for the price. For the same price you can get so much better. Just go here http://www.head-fi.org/ and search for bose, see what the audiophiles think of it..... this should enlighten you. Bose is great for people who know little about sound/music and get pulled in bye design, if you actually care about the sound, for the same amount you can get so much better.
Is W3520 the right processor though? The 2.66 I picked for my config was the X5550. The price difference is quite staggering. I'm up to 28,000 SEK just on the first configuration page, and the 2.66 quad Mac Pro is 26,995 SEK. If the Mac Pro actually uses the W3520, the Apple Tax went from negligible to borderline insane.
Tell me when the average middle class pleb can afford a Veryron and I will agree with you.
P.S Same price mac V same price PC.....the PC is faster. Is this veryron you talk about the 1.8 turbo diesel?
The Veryon = a supercomputer
Already posted here: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/7401868/
Well my W3520 2.66 under single core load only goes up to 2.79Ghz
That sucks hardcore, why can the desktop i7s go higher!?
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Mid 2007 2.4Ghz Macbook Pro, 4Gb, 7200RPM
Canon 40D, 10-22, 17-55 IS, 70-300 IS
2009 Mac Pro, Single 2.66Ghz, 6Gb, HD4870, 300Gb 10k
And how did you measure this? You can probably force the highest turbo by manually disabling all but 1 core.
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Quad 2.93, 3GB RAM, 650GB HD, 4870, airport
X-Dual 1.8Ghz G5, 3GB RAM, X800XT, 80/300GB HD, 10.5.x
CPU-Z in Windows.
I downloaded prime 95, set it to one thread, locked it to core 0 and only went up one multiplier
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Mid 2007 2.4Ghz Macbook Pro, 4Gb, 7200RPM
Canon 40D, 10-22, 17-55 IS, 70-300 IS
2009 Mac Pro, Single 2.66Ghz, 6Gb, HD4870, 300Gb 10k
That sucks hardcore, why can the desktop i7s go higher!?
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Mid 2007 2.4Ghz Macbook Pro, 4Gb, 7200RPM
Canon 40D, 10-22, 17-55 IS, 70-300 IS
2009 Mac Pro, Single 2.66Ghz, 6Gb, HD4870, 300Gb 10k
And how did you measure this? You can probably force the highest turbo by manually disabling all but 1 core.
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Quad 2.93, 3GB RAM, 650GB HD, 4870, airport
X-Dual 1.8Ghz G5, 3GB RAM, X800XT, 80/300GB HD, 10.5.x
CPU-Z in Windows.
I downloaded prime 95, set it to one thread, locked it to core 0 and only went up one multiplier
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Mid 2007 2.4Ghz Macbook Pro, 4Gb, 7200RPM
Canon 40D, 10-22, 17-55 IS, 70-300 IS
2009 Mac Pro, Single 2.66Ghz, 6Gb, HD4870, 300Gb 10k
Also, do a web search for ""mac pro" w3520", you'll get tons of hits.
I've heard a lot of car analogies, but Bugatti Veyron = Mac, now that takes the cake. That's the mother of all false equivalencies right there. The day that Apple flies you down to a factory in Alsace and lets you sit down and pick the 2-tone colors not from samples but from a Pantone color chart, or any object you show them, or simply your vague description... yeah, let me know when THAT happens. Until then, enjoy Apple's current range of Chinese aluminium buckets.
Sure Monster cables are expensive but to most people buying them they are readily available at the places they shop and therefore makes buying them easier. Sure places like monoprice are there, but not everyone knows about them or has the time to go and look for it. Recently I wanted to purchase the the 3g electrical plug, the connector cable, the earphones for an ipod touch I wanted to send to someone who lives in a 3rd world country, purchasing everything from Apple would cost me over 90 dollars, all I have to do is walk 5 minutes to the nearest Apple store and pick them up. I went online and did some research and found a place where I could get everything for less than 10 dollars, but it took 7 days shipment. Some people would rather get it at the Apple store because it's more convenient and they can get it right away. They value that, I also notice that Appl'e stuff feels better and has better quality to the ones I bought from the net. The person I'm sending it to won't notice any difference but I sure did.
For everything you buy there will always be something cheaper, some people don't want to worry themselves with all that and get what they need at the price point they can afford. There is nothing wrong with that. If I want to buy an Infiniti what difference does it make that they have similiar Nissan models for cheaper, same with a Lexus and Toyota, I happen to think the Infiniti and Lexus are nicer. As with Bose, there is nothing wrong with what they sell. Sure they are a bit pricey but they present their stuff in a nice packaging, it sounds good to me (I'm not an audiophile), convenient (there's a Bose store 5 minutes from my house in the same mall as the Apple store). I'm about to purchase one of their Quietcomfort headphones, heard some great stuff about them. Buy what you want at the price you want, there are a lot of choices out there, just don't judge others who purchase differently from you.
I'm still not getting the hang of it though... W3520 is "Bloomfield", X5550 is "Gainestown", both are Xeon Nehalem, both are 2.66, both are quad...?!
Edit: OK, 1333 MHz vs 1066 MHz... anything else?
Yes - both are Nehalem architecture. Look at the Intel specsheets
W3520 http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?groupId=39718
X5550 http://ark.intel.com/cpu.aspx?group...550+(8M+Cache,+2.66+GHz,+6.40+GT/s+Intel®+QPI)
The W3520 is single socket 130 watt at $284, the X5550 is dual socket 95 watt at $958.
There's a hefty price premium for the lower wattage chips.
I thought Apple's marketshare was going down the tubes:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130903
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130903
Duh. I've yet to find anything as quiet as my iMac.
Um, yeah. I've looked at all 300 cases on the market. They all look (and feel) like cheap homebrewed crap.
The only case I ever found that I actually liked was the aluminum Coolermaster Wavemaster. Which they no longer make.
The HP Blackbird was also a nice looking PC. Too bad you couldn't just buy the case.
There's nothing on the market for build-it-yourselfers that is in the same galaxy as a Mac Pro case.
Hey, build your own PC and enjoy it. But these arguments that somehow the rest of us don't realize that you can build a PC cheaper than a Mac (and cheaper than a pre-built PC from a major manufacturer for that matter) are absurd.
Oh, and don't forget to tack on a couple hundred bucks for a legitimate copy of Windows Vista Ultimate Platinum Supreme Edition. DIY'ers tend to forget to include that little detail, relying instead on the pirated copy they got from their cousin Bob in IT.
Aaaaaaaand... the MP quad 2.66 just disappeared off my shopping list so fast it created a tiny black hole. They should've consulted me instead of building that large hadron collider outside Geneva.
There's a definite difference between letting an idiot do what they want with their money, and letting an idiot spend money they don't have (credit). No one should have the right to control the former, only the latter.
I have no issues with buying from Apple. Most of the time I do not have a choice anyway (adapters etc) and if you spend big bucks you might as well get the part that goes with the apple product. I do have a big issue with monster though, there is ripoff and there is MONSTER ripoff. Apple products have a markup, monster products put apple products to shame.
As for QC2 or QC3, if you can get your hands on some shure 530s, take them into the Bose store and compare the sound difference. The shures have excellent sound isolation and a much much better sound (at least I think so), I think its at least worth comparing.
They're not overpriced, they're the SFF segment. Perhaps you're just not finding the SFF to be worth the extra cost, but some people might and for these people, there's no overpriced. A big hulking tower just doesn't respond to their needs.
I have never considered buying a MacBook Pro because of the cost. I don't believe it's worth $2,500. I have a MacBook which suits my needs fine. I am hoping that these commercials will put pressure on Apple to lower their prices. When you can buy a Dell XPS M1530 loaded with BluRay, 4 GB ram, nVidia 8600GT w/256, and an equivalent LED display for $1,634 and for $1,400 more I could get the same thing but it's an Apple. It just doesn't make sense. I prefer the MacOS but it's not worth $1,400. I'm running Windows 7 beta at work and it actually very nice. I don't think they will be able to bash Windows 7 like they did with Vista. It's going to come down to cost. If Apple wants to grow beyond where they are right now they are going to need to become more competitive. They need a $1,500 15 inch notebook. The gap between the MacBook and MacBook Pro is too big. On another note...all Macheist apps are unlocked now. Been waiting on The Hit List.