It can run it legally until the courts tell me otherwise, a case i believe is still in progress.
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Microsoft Releases Second 'Laptop Hunters' Commercial
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It can run it legally until the courts tell me otherwise, a case i believe is still in progress.
apple does not create laws, the OSX EULA IS NOT LAW, you can run OSX on whatever the hell you want.
The SFF is worth some extra cost, yes. That took some work on Apple's part.
The low power consumption is worth zip, nada, zero. It took no other effort than keeping the specs lame.
The only reason given for jacking up the price on the latest Mini, other than 5 USB ports (ooooh stop the presses) is that it's now "green".
I like the SFF, otherwise I wouldn't own two Minis (well, one Intel Mini and one G4 paperweight). By happy accident it fits exactly under my alu LCDTV.
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LOL sorry but you cant call a 2 year old Core2duo a "Prosumer" machine, Prosumer would imply some kind of professionalism, or highend (like DSLR Cameras). People that get high end machines get Phenom II's and Core i7s, Opterons and Xeon’s, not garbage core2duos.
im saying this becuase iMacs are more commonly sold than Mac pros, also for the price of an iMac you can build a fully spec’d out Core i7 machine or even a workstation board with dual opt’s (Shanghai’s)
also dell and HP do have high end machines, Precision workstations and HP’s XW series respectively
actaully Goona is enforcing the policy of "uninformed (ignorant) people should have their money taken away from them"
i personally dont agree with that but it seems rich people just like it that way. i would rather spend my money on something thats actaully WORTH it.
when your Mac FAILS (and it will because the parts are the same as any other PC)
if you have a dead motherboard on a first gen mac you can take it apart and sell the funcitoning parts
Yes, yes, yes and yes...these ads are very bizarre for several reasons...
1) Microsoft does not make computers, they simply license their OS to third party manufacturers, like HP.
2) Microsoft is doing "price comparisons" between Apple hardware, and HP hardware, neither of which they themselves make.
3) Macs can run Windows out of the box using Boot Camp, which brings me to my most important point: As a software company, Microsoft has no reason to give a rat's ass about what logo is on the hardware upon which their software is installed. If you own a legal copy of Windows, they already have your money and should therefore be content. Plenty of Mac users have Windows installed on their Macs.
4) What about a Windows vs. Mac OS X argument? They're clearly not trying to make one here because there's no mention of Mac OS X in either of these ads. All they do is bitch about how Apple hardware (that they don't make) is so overpriced.
Maybe it's because Microsoft doesn't get royalties from the sale of every Mac as they do in the case of every PC shipped.
Still, that seems negligible. Again, why does Microsoft care what computer you have, even if it is "washed in unicorn tears"? They're taking this the wrong way. Can you shed some light on this for us, AidenShaw?
Jack up the price ? 599$ with better specs than before, when it was priced... 599$ ?
I don't get your jacking up part. Low power consumption is a feature no matter how much you look at it. The specs aren't lame either, since they're on-par with other SFF PCs.
In addition, and it's 1.7" thick and weights way more than the 17" MBP.
Verdict and actual tech comparisions:
More info here.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/...st-ad-attacks-mac-aesthetics-computing-power/
WORTH like you say is very subjective. Many buyers here think Apple is WORTH it.
im sorry but not ALL PC users are as ignorant as you, my x64 vista laptop has been working perfect, never failed to startup yet.
but i agree macs are probably better to look at porn with since websites dont really attack safari.
this was taken from http://www.computerworld.com/action...wArticleBasic&articleId=9128869&source=NLT_PM
when i say worth it i mean performance wise. for $322USDish/$400 i got myself this computer
Part Model Cost Total
Case NSK6580 $104.95 $401.94
CPU Intel Core™2 Duo Processor E4500 $129.95
Mobo eVGA nForce 630i / e-Geforce 7150 $94.95
Ram Mushkin EM2-6400 Enhanced 2GB $52.95
that computer is now my HTPC overclocked to 3.0GHz, its faster than macs today, plays bluray, has 2.5TB of storage (upgraded recently) HDMI with audio out, 10 USB Ports and eSATA.
when i buy a mac, i dont get any of the performance, just a nice looking box that cant be upgraded or plays bluray. and i say this becuase the only mac i could buy that was even CLOSE to $400 CAD is a macmini at $800 (at the time)
sorry but if you want low power you get an Atom 330 Dual core with HT, a core2duo is no longer considered low power
2.5W Thermal (atom) Vs 65W thermal (core2duo)
the same work can be done on both machines, email, surf, chat, taxes, etc
There seems to be a pent-up desire to deliberately misunderstand these ads just for the heck of it. Is it really that hard to get?
Every Mac sold means a (potential) market share shrinkage for Microsoft (I'm saying potential since some Mac users are BootCampers). Whether MS makes the hardware or not is irrelevant, it's still their market share at stake.
How does one address that? Hit Apple where they're weak -- price and limited choices.
1. Communicate that PC gives you more computing power for the money.
2. Communicate that PC = choices, choices, choices. You can get one that costs 1/3 of the cheapest Mac or one that costs 4x the most expensive Mac. You can get a pink one, a round one, and probably one enclosed in a clay pot too.
Key phrases:
Lauren: "I'm a PC and I got just what I wanted".
Subtext: Apple's limited and streamlined product line, along with the narrow price point window, implies an attempt to dictate what the user wants, in a "You can have your Ferrari red, red or red" sort of way.
Giampaolo: "I'm a PC because I'm really picky".
Subtext: The choice thing again; he's very specific about what he wants, right down to the size of the keys (due to his "big hands" which would probably hit all 4 cursor keys at once on a MB/MBP). I.e. one of those people who look at the menu and say "Can I have that one but with olives and without the onions?" He wouldn't like an Apple restaurant because they're like the "Soup Nazi".
The end.
There's a lot of bending over backwards to misunderstand both sides, really. (Be honest.) Your post did an excellent job of expressing the intended subtext, but totally ignored the unintended subtext. (Apples products are cool & sexy.) I think these ads are both good & bad: they may resonate with a lot of buyers, but not always in the intended manner.
im sorry but not ALL PC users are as ignorant as you, my x64 vista laptop has been working perfect, never failed to startup yet.
but i agree macs are probably better to look at porn with since websites dont really attack safari.
this was taken from http://www.computerworld.com/action...wArticleBasic&articleId=9128869&source=NLT_PM
Best post on this thread by far!
Well, the ad agency (CP+B) they went to aren't exactly amateurs and if there's any subtext, you can bet that it's intentional. Especially when it's right there in the dialogue and clearly audible (and thus, not really subtext). They're saying flat out in no uncertain terms that Macs are sexy, confident that the target demographic (average joes spooked by the economic downturn) has better things to worry about than sexy computers. Both the "sexy" line and the "not cool enough" line are pot shots at people with a lot of cash, incidentally the same people who the average joes would like to lynch right now and throw in a mass grave along with the Wall Street brokers. It's the populist part of the ad, that sneaks in the subliminal message that Microsoft is on the side of the masses against those bastards in the ivory tower. Of course that's just BS, they're on the top floor of the ivory tower, but hey...
when i say worth it i mean performance wise. for $322USDish/$400 i got myself this computer
Part Model Cost Total
Case NSK6580 $104.95 $401.94
CPU Intel Core2 Duo Processor E4500 $129.95
Mobo eVGA nForce 630i / e-Geforce 7150 $94.95
Ram Mushkin EM2-6400 Enhanced 2GB $52.95
that computer is now my HTPC overclocked to 3.0GHz, its faster than macs today, plays bluray, has 2.5TB of storage (upgraded recently) HDMI with audio out, 10 USB Ports and eSATA.
when i buy a mac, i dont get any of the performance, just a nice looking box that cant be upgraded or plays bluray. and i say this becuase the only mac i could buy that was even CLOSE to $400 CAD is a macmini at $800 (at the time)
Everybody knows you can build a PC for less than it costs to buy a slower Mac. So? This is news because.......why?
I've been building computers for years too, because it's such a great value. Doesn't make it remotely relevant to this thread though.
Performance is not the only metric when choosing a computer. Especially not a Laptop.
It might be for you, but then again, that's why I said WORTH is subjective. Look it up if you don't know what that means (HINT : It means that what you say is not facts, it is opinion, and guess what, you need to stop stating your opinion as if it was a fact).
Some people like the extra oomphf of the Mini to play HD video and run a full version of OS X, yet retain the smallish form factor and low power consumption. Not to mention that now with the 9400m graphics, it can play some games decently.
While idle, the consumption is very low, lower than what you state.
What better specs? Still a 5400 rpm drive. Still 1 GB. Still 2.0 GHz. What's happened since I bought mine 2 years ago is that it now has NVidia 9400M and 2 more USB ports. The better of the two Minis used to cost 6,995 SEK, now it's 9,195 SEK, which no currency fluctiations in the world could even begin to explain. And when Mac effing Mini nearly crosses the 5 figure mark in Swedish kronor, it whooshes straight into professional workstation territory (Dell Precision Nehalem Xeon quads start around 12,000 SEK).
Many people here are EXPERTS at stating their opinion as fact. Makes me wonder how they function in the real world, where something more than opinion and anecdotal evidence is required to back something up.
Well said not everybody buys everything they own on some performance/price ratio. There are other factors that people factor in when buying things, this is what makes every person different. Some people just can't seem to grasp that basic concept.
Anyone defending Bose or Monster is buying into their marketing. The quality/price of both products are well documented with simple searches. I don't think anyone was saying you can't buy whatever you want, but your opinion gets discounted for for buying into their hype. Also, when you buy Monster products you're helping to fund their corporate bullying by suing anyone using the word monster in their business. Again, you have that right, but at least be informed.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123869022704882969.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123869022704882969.html