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Microsoft Reveals New Band 2, Lumia Phones, Surface Pro 4, and Surface Book

LordVic said:
not comparing likewise products.

surface book is similar to rMBP in size and power and what it appears to be up against.

rMBP + iPad Pro will cost a lot more.

the Surface Pro line is closer in performance and price to the MBA, so it would be MBA+ iPad pro for that comparison.

the Surface 3 is meant to compare to the iPad Air.

However, you are right about user preference and workflow. some people might prefer having 2 devices, some will prefer the convergence of one.

consumer choice is a great thing!
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I only use my Surface 3 as a laptop after 5 months of trial (some proprietary softwares my company is using require Windows). It is too heavy to be used as a tablet and Windows has very poor battery management. The battery doesn't last long and the device gets warm/hot easily.
 
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haruhiko said:
Mind you Microsoft's products usually look good on the surface (unintended pun). I have a Surface 3 (the non-pro one) and the charger plug doesn't stay flush to the body and it wiggles when you touch it. This is by design and every unit of the device has this problem. But probably too few people have it and Microsoft stuffs don't generate pageviews. So nobody was talking about this.

To me this is totally unacceptable.
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THAT IS just sloppy. I didn't understand why Microsoft opted to use MicroUSB for the charging port on the Surface 3 when they already have better designs for the Pro line, or just USB3.
 
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The Surface Pro is what happens when the leader in the space takes their customers for granted the way Apple has. I have 4 iPads. I use my iPad Air 2 every waking hour of every day, but looking at the Surface Pro 4, I'm seeing the future. I'm in my company's tech committee meeting and the CIO is passing around the Surface as our laptop replacements in the next couple of years and you know what, I'm not mad at the man.

The iPad pro looks nice, but it's lack of features present in the Surface Pro shows that Apple is not willing to take the leaps needed to keep their customers happy in the long run. They want to protect their profit margins and there is nothing wrong with that, but they're sacrificing the future. Think about it, who didn't know when the iPad mini 3 came out that the 4 wouldn't be just like the iPad Air 2? Who doesn't know now that there really is no reason for the iPad pro to weigth as much as it does. Apple is greedy and it will hurt them in the long run.
 
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haruhiko said:
I only use my Surface 3 as a laptop after 5 months of trial (some proprietary softwares my company is using require Windows). It is too heavy to be used as a tablet and Windows has very poor battery management. The battery doesn't last long and the device gets warm/hot easily.
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yeah, the Surface 3 is really an oddball. Its meant to go up against the iPad Air, but I would almost always recommend upgrading to the SP3 if user can instead of the Surface 3. Better built, Better design choices, and much better battery life.

Also, wonder if you're having similar issues others are having with Surface devices and Windows 10. Theres some bug they havent fixed yet where the "Sensor Service" wakes on keyboard removal and never goes back to sleep. On my SP2, I easily get 8 hours of battery life, Except when this process runs away, and it dies to 2 hours
 
The Surface Book looks absolutely great. The Surface Pro is nice but can be uncomfortable when on the lap. And Windows 8 was an absolute pain but Windows 10 is such a great improvement from the previous. Microsoft is making some great software and hardware moves just how Apple did when Jobs came back to the company in the late 90s. Unfortunately, I've already invested too much in Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro X to make a switch to Windows, at least right now. And plus, I personally don't enjoy having finger-prints and smudges on my laptop screen. But Windows is looking better than ever IMO, they are taking the lead in the inevitable joining of laptops and tablets, which Apple too will eventually implement. Microsoft's phones still look iffy to me though, I've never had a great experience with them as much as iOS and Android.
 
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haruhiko said:
It is too heavy to be used as a tablet and Windows has very poor battery management. The battery doesn't last long and the device gets warm/hot easily.
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The weight is exactly the same as my iPad 3, which means it's just as heavy as the 2 and 4, and it actually stays a good bit cooler when you're pushing. Though that latter might not be fair to comment on, since the 3 was kind of designed to be a half-step transition.
 
Really great stuff, glad to see MS innovating more. Apple needs a good kick in the butt so we get more then 3D Touch and a couple extra mega pixels in an update. Although I do like the extra performance, but everyone does that every year.
 
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haruhiko said:
I think more people hate Apple here than Microsoft or Google. :D
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its a toss up. like any bell curve

you get most people in the middle. but there are outliers on either side. there's a good chunk of fanboys and haters alike.

You should see my ignore list :p
 
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Renzatic said:
The weight is exactly the same as my iPad 3, which means it's just as heavy as the 2 and 4, and it actually stays a good bit cooler when you're pushing. Though that latter might not be fair to comment on, since the 3 was kind of designed to be a half-step transition.
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The iPad 3 is absolutely the worst iOS product Apple has shipped in recent years - heavy, underpowered, rushed to the market, replaced in 7 months. It was designed in 2011-2012 when Steve passed away and Apple was in a crisis. I was a victim of this product too.
 
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haruhiko said:
The iPad 3 is absolutely the worst iOS product Apple has shipped in recent years - heavy, underpowered, rushed to the market, replaced in 7 months. It was designed in 2011-2012 when Steve passed away and Apple was in a crisis. I was a victim of this product too.
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I wouldn't say I regretted getting it. I've spent three years with my iPad 3 now, and its run every piece of software I've thrown at it without complaint. Only the Air, which came out two years later, made me feel like I was on the short end of the iOS stick.

The only thing I didn't like about it was it's tendency to get (roughly) as hot as the surface of the sun while playing any taxing 3D games on it, like XCOM.

Contrasted with playing the actual PC version of XCOM on my Surface 3 (which is soon to go back to pay for an SP4), it just gets a little warm.
 
Renzatic said:
I wouldn't say I regretted getting it. I've spent three years with my iPad 3 now, and its run every piece of software I've thrown at it without complaint. Only the Air, which came out two years later, made me feel like I was on the short end of the iOS stick.

The only thing I didn't like about it was it's tendency to get (roughly) as hot as the surface of the sun while playing any taxing 3D games on it, like XCOM.

Contrasted with playing the actual PC version of XCOM on my Surface 3 (which is soon to go back to pay for an SP4), it just gets a little warm.
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I think we will see some interesting development in the iOS device side in the coming year. The performance of iOS devices esp. the iPhone 6s, iPad Air 2 and iPad Pro is approaching desktop (or laptop to be more appropriate) level already.

The only thing lacking is the software side. I wish the Surface Pro / Book line will give Apple much more pressure to innovate on iOS. They have done something this year to the iPad (PIP, split view multitasking), but it's still not enough.
 
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TheGuyUpNorth said:
I challenge you. I live my home life on my Mac, and my work life on Windows 10. Windows 10 has come a long ways. Not saying I am ready to give up my first love, but until you have spent some time with what Microsoft has done lately, I don't think it's fair to keep playing the same "it's still windows" card.
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Windows 10 is miles better than the crap that's Windows 8, but it focuses much less on the tablet side and makes my Surface 3 feel more like a laptop than a tablet. Also it's less fluid than Windows 8.1. I think it still needs some polish.
 
TheGuyUpNorth said:
I challenge you. I live my home life on my Mac, and my work life on Windows 10. Windows 10 has come a long ways. Not saying I am ready to give up my first love, but until you have spent some time with what Microsoft has done lately, I don't think it's fair to keep playing the same "it's still windows" card.
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Most commenting negatively haven't used it extensively.
 
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haruhiko said:
I think we will see some interesting development in the iOS device side in the coming year. The performance of iOS devices esp. the iPhone 6s, iPad Air 2 and iPad Pro is approaching desktop (or laptop to be more appropriate) level already.
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Yeah, the most recent revs of iDevices have been pretty spectacular from a pure performance perspective. The Pro in particular has me fairly stoked. It's basically the iPad I've always wanted (albeit a bit bigger than I'd prefer).

The only thing that's keeping me from grabbing one on release day is that it's a first gen device. It won't immediately have the app support to leverage the power its sporting under the hood. For now, I've decided to hop on over to MSville. Gonna play there for a bit, then check out the lay of the land 2-3 years from now.
 
yeah, I've been loving what Apple has managed on the hardware front. the iPhone 6S truly looks like one hell of a powerful device. (though base 16gb is laughable in 2015 for a $650+ device)

I'm still caught up on iOS though. I was desperately hoping hte iPad Pro would bridge the gap between iOS and OSx for capabilities. Maybe not full desktop applications, but some sort of "encapsulation" of some sort to let some run. Something that met the "pro" moniker. as long as it's running iOS it's a non starter for me

Though, it really REALLY is one of the nicest looking pieces of hardware out there right now
 
The only thing limiting iOS by this point is Apple. If MS can cram Windows onto a cheap little Atom processor, a chip that's actually a goodly bit slower than Apple's current mobile CPUs, and still have it run well, there's no reason to believe they couldn't expand upon iOS without killing performance or battery life in the process.

We'll never see OSX on an iDevice. That's just not Apple's style. But that doesn't mean we won't see an iOS that's just as flexible and capable at some point.
 
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Crosscreek said:
Hardware is not as important as a stable OS. I'll take OS X over Windows anytime.
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Given what you can do on Windows and what you can do on OS X and their respective capabilities, the Mac OS X is a joke OS.

The software gap between the two OS'es is as bad as between App Store and Windows store for mobile.

Every day I use two OS'es and unless you have all your apps in the cloud/web browser, the Mac experience is not that great - even simple things like office/sharepoint integration is a joke. on Mac - well it does not exist. wanna do Visio drawing, or create Project plan, or even use one note the way that suppose to be used, and you can't do that on Mac.

Mac OS is fine for home and screwing around on the web, and that is what I and my wife and kids use Mac's at home, but for business/work, I do not see how I could ever use Mac - it is just not possible for me at least. unless I wanted to use bootcamp or fusion all the time.
 
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AleXXXa said:
What years is this? 2004? Windows is great now, way better than every MacOS after Snow Leopard.
I'm running Windows 10 on my MBP. It's faster, smoother and more stable than Yosemite/ElCapitan.
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Some people (iSheeps) have way too big blinds over their eyes to understand this. I agree, Win 10 is great and stable OS. People who claim that Windows is crap must have not seen a good Windows machine running latest OS.
 
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