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No Microsoft car play
No Microsoft Pay
No 3D Touch
No Touch fingerprint sensor
No Bluetooth v4.2
No Display Flash
And still a plastic body
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huh !

But on the other hand: Half the price for at least the same power. And OIS throughout (If I'm not mistaken). And UBS-C and wireless charging. And a replaceable battery and a SD card slot...

It ultimately depends on how you rank your priorities, but I feel that the value proposition for the L950 is well there.
 
This is such a contrived argument. Windows 10 is actually *exactly* like Windows 8.1 and if you didn't notice, your precious Start Menu is just the Start Screen, but smaller. Mind blown.

But it puts you and your argument in a curious spot. People who actually liked the StartMenu of old, and its fascinating retardedness, balked at Windows 10 as well and installed 3rd party apps to get the "original" experience.

So evidently you just ate up the equally intellectually challenged diatribe against Windows 8 by people who just had no idea what they were whining about. Windows 10 is Windows 8 with another number at the end of it.

Apparently when the Start Screen is packaged into a pseudo Start Menu, it's teh amazingz!! You could have saved yourself a lot of grief by thinking for yourself, gotten to know the Start Screen, end of story - instead of whining about Windows 8 for who knows how long and *then* get used to the Start Screen in Windows 10 and claim it was good all along.

You have no idea what the hell you are saying in any way. Have you used windows? at all? I've been using Windows since back in the days of 3.0.

I've also been using OSx for a good chunk of my life.

I've also used Linux extensively. BSD variants, I get stuck using AIX and I've even had some fun playing with OS's like OS2 warp, and BeOS.

There are pros and cons to every OS. Windows greatest strength is the "STart" button. Because of it's simplicity at putting virtually every single User interaction in one spot that is easy to find and use (although in Win 8.0, its removal was disastrous).

The "metro" start tile screens is actually quite a joy to use. The FULL SCREEN nature of it was NOT. don't confuse the two. The problem with 8.x's start screen wasn't that it changed to tiles for icons instead of lists of folders, but that it was workflow breaking. Opening start menu completely broke your workflow by overriding your entire display with itself. On Top of that, the biggest knock against Windows 8 was not even start menu related, but the multiple personality disorder it suffered from. There were two sets of settings, in two completely unrelated places. Windows Store Apps could only run full screen, or 1/2 screen. and the Desktop itself completely operated in it's own world. there was very little flow and it was purely split in nature.

All of these issues have been remedied in Win10. The start menu preserves the benefits of the live tiles (and whether you like that or the old folder list is subjective, can't change your mind there), while returning to the old, workflow friendly start menu functionality of being unobtrusive, and an All in one place to do all your OS level interaction.

I'm not sure why you think the start menu was "retarded", other than you have your own personal preference. And that is ok. OSx is a great OS too. The Dock is a wonderful feature, so much so that Windows had incorporated similar functionality to the Taskbar back in windows 7. OSx's Application management is far simpler, and far greater. And it's trackpad support beats the pants off anything windows has to offer, even in Windows 10. Expose, while mimmicked in Win10 is still better functioning. But OSx still suffers from a UI disjointedness, that isn't necessarily easier for everyone. They need to do something to unify Finder and the Dock. And, while I have yet to get El Capitan installed, Their fullscreen multi-window support looks more like Windows 8 than I wish.


In the end of the day, Both Windows 10 and OSx are fantastic Operating systems (Although BOTH could use a filesystem overhaul). You wont go wrong with using either if you have the programs you want on your choice. But your need to insult it, while not providing any anecdotal, tangible, or even statistical reasons why its' "retarded" only makes you out to sound like an ignorant individual who has no real experiences with different operating systems.
 
Dat gap when the SurfaceBook is closed tho'.

That was the only negative for me too...The rest of the product seems really solid and it's a premium system. Fully configured, it's as much as a 13' MBP, the big difference being TouchScreen and OS used.

If you're a Windows user and it's time to upgrade your mobile hardware and you need desktop performance, the 'SurfaceBook' is definitely the way to go.

Microsoft seems to be back on track and better than ever...Apple and Google would be wise, not to ignore the changes that Microsoft has made...they seem to have their own vision and combining that with valuable consumer feedback to bring better, more relevant products to the market place.
 
No Microsoft car play
No Microsoft Pay
No 3D Touch
No Touch fingerprint sensor
No Bluetooth v4.2
No Display Flash
And still a plastic body
1f601.png
huh !


But those are pretty much gimmicks... that add very little to a device experience.

The only one i really use is the fingerprint, not because it's better than anything else - simply because it quicker when it works (assuming you don't have a microbe of water on your finger).

Im sure an MS guy could find equally unique but useless features on their devices, or android for that matter..
I've just re-read this, it's a joke right - car play.. you got me. i admit it..! :D
 
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You can always spot someone on a tech site who's either BSing everyone, or doesn't know what they're talking about by how much they gripe about the registry.

Now, I know, chances are good you're an IT profession who's been in the business 50,000 years, and you're going to say that you don't need to justify yourself to me. It's a usual spiel. But you don't really need to, because you're griping about the registry crapping out after 7 months. That tells me just about everything I need to know.

Maybe not the registry, but there are other things that break relatively often such as Windows Update where Microsoft even has a small tool (Windows Update Troubleshooter) you can download to try to automatically fix it (which doesn't always help):

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/troubleshoot-problems-installing-updates

I've been in the IT business for about 15 years, so not nearly 50,000 but still… Windows gives more headaches overall than OS X, that's pretty clear to me. But maybe Windows 10 is the version that changes all that? :)
 
1TB of storage, 16GB of RAM in a tablet, with a digitiser pen, a 13.5" display (largest tablet I'm aware of). Super high DPI, GPU in the keyboard allowing notebook class graphics when docked. It's very innovative in my opinion. The hinge they're using is also incredible, it looks amazing.

I thought it was a notebook? 16GB of ram in a laptop is not new. Their Surface is thick enough that I am not surprised it's possible there either. Digitizer pen? I am not sure what that is, but I guess it could be useful for a few people. High resolution screen? Good on paper, not sure if people will notice much difference. The GPU in a keyboard to be docked is cool, but the thing is so heavy, might as well get a desktop. The hinge? Looks hideous in my opinion. I am playing devils advocate with most of my responses, but I still don't see this being the second coming of portables. Also, the $1,499 is slower than the $1,299 MacBook pro. You need the GPU in the $1,899 model to become 2x as fast which they are claiming. Seems like another Apple clone to me, looking more like my old 17 inch pro from 2008 though.
 
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YAWN, seriously they ape'd the macbook pro so close then totally ruined it with that awful hinge and hinge gap! The major downside of all this MS tech is windows, which stinks so bad, especially on a phone. They really are gonna feel so much pain on all these products as they fail to sell in any meaningful numbers at any meaningful prices. MS should just sell office and be done with it.

Nothing wrong with the phone OS, it's the apps that are lacking.
 
Maybe not the registry, but there are other things that break relatively often such as Windows Update where Microsoft even has a small tool (Windows Update Troubleshooter) you can download to try to automatically fix it (which doesn't always help):

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/troubleshoot-problems-installing-updates

I've been in the IT business for about 15 years, so not nearly 50,000 but still… Windows gives more headaches overall than OS X, that's pretty clear to me. But maybe Windows 10 is the version that changes all that? :)

Now this is very true. The registry does have its bugbears, but 99.999996% of the time, you don't touch it, and you won't notice it. It doesn't ever slow down the machine, and it takes a monumental effort to get it to break these days. That's not to say it doesn't happen, though it's exceedingly rare.

But Update? Yeah. It's easily the flakiest, most temperamental part of Windows. Most of the bugs and headaches you experience with the OS stem from it. Windows 10 does streamline it a good bit, and makes it a little more reliable, but it still has its tendencies to be dumb. You'll still see failed updates pop up here and there, and, as I found out recently, badly installed drivers.
 
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yeah, its one thing MIcrosoft never gets right. Ever. Since day 1, their update process is horrible.
Even in Win10, it's frustrating
 
yeah, its one thing MIcrosoft never gets right. Ever. Since day 1, their update process is horrible.
Even in Win10, it's frustrating

The only good thing I can say about it is that since MS is doing big and little OS updates every 6 months now, you won't have to worry about having to wade through gibbibbilybytes of updates when you buy a new Windows machine. There are still a bunch, though, and Win10 grabs them first thing before it even takes you to the desktop if you log onto wifi during the initial setup process.

To be fair, Win10 does a great job of making it feel more invisible than XP/7/8, but it needs to be even more invisible than even that if they want to match OSX on all fronts.
 
I thought it was a notebook? 16GB of ram in a laptop is not new. Their Surface is thick enough that I am not surprised it's possible there either. Digitizer pen? I am not sure what that is, but I guess it could be useful for a few people. High resolution screen? Good on paper, not sure if people will notice much difference. The GPU in a keyboard to be docked is cool, but the thing is so heavy, might as well get a desktop. The hinge? Looks hideous in my opinion. I am playing devils advocate with most of my responses, but I still don't see this being the second coming of portables. Also, the $1,499 is slower than the $1,299 MacBook pro. You need the GPU in the $1,899 model to become 2x as fast which they are claiming. Seems like another Apple clone to me, looking more like my old 17 inch pro from 2008 though.
Apple clone? Apple doesn't even have a device like this available! And as for weight, even a retina MBP 13" weighs more.. you couldn't be more biased if you tried.
 
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