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That's massive...17" laptop bags are hard enough to find, how about a case/bag for an 18" tablet!!
Yeah, it does work... not perfect but far better than anything else out there.
The OneDrive thing is brilliant.. the place holders allow you to see your full library without taking as much space locally. They said that some version of it is coming back but I am not holding my breath.
That is because when you write and want to make corrections it usually makes much more sense removing the whole 'pen stroke' you target with the eraser as one so you don't have to waste time tracking the thing you want to erase (be it a letter, a long line, a circle, an arrow and so on) in an exact manner. Somewhat like an undo-option, but you are free to 'undo' in any order you like and not just go back one step at a time.
Most stylus-capable software works like this in writing/taking notes modes (and can usually be overridden to use more exact modes instead if you prefer), it has absolutely nothing to do with the hardware being fast or slow.
When drawing, doing illustrations and similar stuff the erase mode of course handles things very differently and erases what is exactly below the 'eraser' and nothing else - just like you would do with the erase tool in Photoshop.
Here we go again.
It's fine to talk about a stable OS, as if Windows was not stable, and OS X was. Even assuming this is true, what about software?
I need to use Office. Microsoft Office, not LibreOffice or iWork. Because I have to have my work done, and in my work environment people use Microsoft Office and clients expect me to use Microsoft Office so I can have 100% compatibility with the software they are using. You may talk about open standards and so on, but in the real world of multi-million dollar businesses where people do real work, Microsoft Office is the software people use and expect you to use. Of course some companies use LibreOffice or something else, but chances are most of us are not working in these companies. And we don't dictate the rules.
So, I try to use Microsoft Office on my Mac. Office is terrible, even the 2016 version, much inferior to the Windows counterpart. And then I run it on El Capitan. And it crashes over and over again. And people say, it's Microsoft's fault, Microsoft is to blame, Microsoft neglects Mac users. But the fact is, I need to use Microsoft Office, in a stable environment. And Windows 10 can provide me the full Office experience, better than the one OS X can provide, and it does not crash.
And here we are. Microsoft is offering great hardware with software that is great as well.
There's no sane reason to pick the iPad Pro over the Surface Pro 4 or Surface Book. You can barely justify getting a Macbook Pro over these two. People who are ragging on Windows OS clearly have not used Windows 10. But that illogical assumption is expected from the fanboys here.
The future is here guys.
You're witnessing the new revolution, I told you.
Keep designing watch bands, Tim, keep designing.
You're witnessing the new revolution, I told you.
Keep designing watch bands, Tim, keep designing.
Don't understand all the hate here. These new devices are the best thing to happen to Apple. With the complacency that Apple is showing these days, they need a good butt kicking.
This is such a contrived argument. Windows 10 is actually *exactly* like Windows 8.1 and if you didn't notice, your precious Start Menu is just the Start Screen, but smaller. Mind blown.
But it puts you and your argument in a curious spot. People who actually liked the StartMenu of old, and its fascinating retardedness, balked at Windows 10 as well and installed 3rd party apps to get the "original" experience.
So evidently you just ate up the equally intellectually challenged diatribe against Windows 8 by people who just had no idea what they were whining about. Windows 10 is Windows 8 with another number at the end of it.
Apparently when the Start Screen is packaged into a pseudo Start Menu, it's teh amazingz!! You could have saved yourself a lot of grief by thinking for yourself, gotten to know the Start Screen, end of story - instead of whining about Windows 8 for who knows how long and *then* get used to the Start Screen in Windows 10 and claim it was good all along.
Watching the presentation sure created some excitement until I actually gave it a sober second look. What is so exciting here seriously, this has all been neglected for over a decade. Perhaps some welcome progress with the higher screen resolution but even that is still not 4k.
I'm old enough to remember my old HP TC1100 that already had a Pen and a second internal hot swappable battery and a detachable keyboard and a docking station allowing to connect to another monitor. All of that was already here just take a look
Now think, it was here over 10 years ago!!! and it took MSFT over a decade to get to the Surface?
The Pen has been in the same condition for over a decade as well and by simply giving it new tips is an amazing progress?... an eraser? ...please!, its been in place a decade ago already as well. In the MSFT demo I can see that the pen is still as laggy... as in my old Lenovo X61T.
A decade ago there were amazing programs designed for the Pen, just to be abandoned when MSFT dumping further development the tablet PC. Seriously take a look at the Tablet Enhancements for Outlook: http://einsteintech.azurewebsites.net/teo/ and that is just one of the programs that went by the way side.
Look, I'm certainly glad that MSFT is developing the Surface line but with over a decade of disappointments they look just like an old fat cow regurgitating the old past. Wake up and develop some real knockouts.
I'm old enough to remember my old HP TC1100 that already had a Pen and a second internal hot swappable battery and a detachable keyboard and a docking station allowing to connect to another monitor. All of that was already here just take a look
Now think, it was here over 10 years ago!!! and it took MSFT over a decade to get to the Surface?
The Pen has been in the same condition for over a decade as well and by simply giving it new tips is an amazing progress?... an eraser? ...please!, its been in place a decade ago already as well. In the MSFT demo I can see that the pen is still as laggy... as in my old Lenovo X61T.
A decade ago there were amazing programs designed for the Pen, just to be abandoned when MSFT dumping further development the tablet PC. Seriously take a look at the Tablet Enhancements for Outlook: http://einsteintech.azurewebsites.net/teo/ and that is just one of the programs that went by the way side.
Look, I'm certainly glad that MSFT is developing the Surface line but with over a decade of disappointments they look just like an old fat cow regurgitating the old past. Wake up and develop some real knockouts.
There are actually many UI improvements that make it much more usable in a desktop environment. The "charms" with their stupid invisible "activation spots" are gone, "modern" apps can run in a window on the desktop and have visible control elements instead of relying on gestures, it switches seemlessly between desktop and touch mode if you have a hybrid device etc. pp. All is not perfect (e.g. it's completely stupid and confusing that there are two different settings apps), but it's a big improvement particularly for desktop users.
That said, Microsoft's new privacy policy with its intentionally vague and evasive lawyer-speak, the telemetry functions that cannot be turned off, and the forced updates without proper descriptions are a big turn off for me. It's a shame really, because the OS itself is pretty good.
From one contrived argument to another.. fine. To your two points on desktop environment:
The Charms could always be turned off in Windows 8.1 so they were always gone, if that was your thing.
Modern apps running in a Window is Windows 8.1 with Modern apps running in a window.
On Windows 10 switching between desktop and touch controls seamlessly, sure but that's not because Windows 8.1 couldn't switch between desktop and touch, it's just that you seemingly didn't want to learn how. It was always there.
The Whining has caused collateral damage, sadly. The touch UI in general on Windows 10 is a downgrade from Windows 8.1 because of the Whining's demand for a Startmenu (mini StartScreen) and the seeming inability to learn how the Charms worked. There's far less customization now in the Startmenu/screen than before and some nice details have been whacked out of existence. Just because of the great Whining of Windows 8.
It was a like a collective insanity, people insisting features weren't there, which were actually there. People just beating their head into the nearest rock until brain splatters smeared the surface, because they *just* would not learn how to do the same thing in a sliiiiighly new way (but not really, it was basically the same old way)
Jeez.
Talk about contrived arguments. Of course you could turn them off, but then getting at the functions becomes even more cumbersome.
Your point being?
Whatever. I bet you've never even used the to versions on a hybrid device, otherwise you'd know how much smoother it works.
No no, you can't "talk about contrived arguments" and then admit that "oh yeah of course you could always turn that feature off derpdeederp".
Your entire premise is that things like Charms were a bad thing that Windows 10 got rid of, while they could just as easily (with two clicks) be turned off in Windows 8.1
Love your "I bet you have never used thing x derp" argument. High grades boy.
Its all too confusing. Both have detachable screens and keyboards. So is the Surface Book mainly a laptop with a detachable screen?...And the Surface Pro mainly a tablet with a detachable keyboard?
Wait?!? Wasn't the Surface Pro suppose to take the place of a laptop, a laptop that Microsoft just built with a detachable screen?!?
Wait?!? Wasn't the Surface Pro suppose to take the place of a laptop, a laptop that Microsoft just built with a detachable screen?!?
Big time Mac guy for many years, since I started working for a Mac software company in the early 90's. But I'm warming up to my SP3, and this announcement was huge! In short, I prefer Microsoft's vision of one OS to rule them all, instead of Apple's vision of everyone buying and porting to multiple OSs. It's too confusing, and I don't want to be forced to buy, maintain, and update/refresh so many devices.
To those who keep saying "windows sucks", I don't think you've had much time with the latest Win 10 releases. It's amazing. And continuum is pretty much the feature that seal it for me. I can go from consuming content on a tablet to producing it on a "laptop", in about a second, simply by snapping on my keyboard/cover.... brilliant!
Between the two new devices, I think I'll stick with my SP3 for a long time. But when I do update, it'll likely be another Surface Pro, for the following reasons:
1. 3hrs of tablet battery life is nowhere near enough
2. I like the slimmest of the SP
3. SP3 is powerful enough for me, at the moment. But I do eventually want a discrete GPU
Only times the SP has failed me is, quite literally, when it's on my lap. Find yourself in a crowded conference room where you can't get a table, and it's awkward. But my SP is in its dock with a couple 27" displays attached to it for 80% of its life. Another 15% of that is on tables in Conf rooms, planes, or hotels., That ration would change, should I ditch my work MacBook, but still the literal lap-top scenarios are rare.
Now, if they made a dock with a discrete GPU, I'd be stoked!!!! My current main workstation is an IMac 27 with three displays... real estate!
But if my work allows it, I may consider letting them issue me a surface pro or surface book, for my next work machine refresh?
Those of us who've been with the Mac for a while can remember the lean years. We suffered things like a lack of preemptive multitasking, where our systems would be more or less useless for the couple minutes or it took to pronto a doc, while our Windows colleges kept on working. This industry changes, and I'm willing to change with it...
And Microsoft's current vision is more in line with where I want to be. Then again, I remember when Apple was on the same track, because I'm old enough to have owned a Duo! That was an innovative machine that was ahead of its time.
To those who keep saying "windows sucks", I don't think you've had much time with the latest Win 10 releases. It's amazing. And continuum is pretty much the feature that seal it for me. I can go from consuming content on a tablet to producing it on a "laptop", in about a second, simply by snapping on my keyboard/cover.... brilliant!
Between the two new devices, I think I'll stick with my SP3 for a long time. But when I do update, it'll likely be another Surface Pro, for the following reasons:
1. 3hrs of tablet battery life is nowhere near enough
2. I like the slimmest of the SP
3. SP3 is powerful enough for me, at the moment. But I do eventually want a discrete GPU
Only times the SP has failed me is, quite literally, when it's on my lap. Find yourself in a crowded conference room where you can't get a table, and it's awkward. But my SP is in its dock with a couple 27" displays attached to it for 80% of its life. Another 15% of that is on tables in Conf rooms, planes, or hotels., That ration would change, should I ditch my work MacBook, but still the literal lap-top scenarios are rare.
Now, if they made a dock with a discrete GPU, I'd be stoked!!!! My current main workstation is an IMac 27 with three displays... real estate!
But if my work allows it, I may consider letting them issue me a surface pro or surface book, for my next work machine refresh?
Those of us who've been with the Mac for a while can remember the lean years. We suffered things like a lack of preemptive multitasking, where our systems would be more or less useless for the couple minutes or it took to pronto a doc, while our Windows colleges kept on working. This industry changes, and I'm willing to change with it...
And Microsoft's current vision is more in line with where I want to be. Then again, I remember when Apple was on the same track, because I'm old enough to have owned a Duo! That was an innovative machine that was ahead of its time.
Yes. It's called evolution. It took ten years for the technology to evolve and finally allow creating a tablet which is thin enough, light enough, powerful enough and with a long lasting battery. Your old HP was a cumbersome device.
The Surface Pro 3 looked great and is what I felt the iPad Pro should have aspired to, and the Surface Pro 4 looks even better.
The Surface Book though looks simply awesome and, as a photography enthusiast, the ideal machine to replace my aging 2010 MacBook Pro and iPad 2.
I was really hoping Apple would come out with exactly this type of machine, but they seem to have lost their way along the path from making products for creation to those of consumption. This is confirmed by no longer developing Aperture.
Unless of course Macrumors has seriously missed a trick and Apple has something up their sleeve for release in the very near future... although I doubt that.
The Surface Book though looks simply awesome and, as a photography enthusiast, the ideal machine to replace my aging 2010 MacBook Pro and iPad 2.
I was really hoping Apple would come out with exactly this type of machine, but they seem to have lost their way along the path from making products for creation to those of consumption. This is confirmed by no longer developing Aperture.
Unless of course Macrumors has seriously missed a trick and Apple has something up their sleeve for release in the very near future... although I doubt that.
Prototype..not the same deal. We are talking about the real life here, something you can buy
And wtf Panasonic still lives?
Not necessarily. I have a rMBP, an iPad 4 and an iPhone 6+. I gave the iPad to my wife because it simply wasn't useful to me anymore. But in the near future I'm going to buy a Surface Pro 4 because I want to use the touch-enabled features of the desktop Adobe CC applications. Unfortunately no Apple device (existing or upcoming) is capable of running them in touch mode.
you are one case..but for millions ...this is it
you know is adobe cc for ipad for touch right?
http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/mobile.html and im sure for ipad pro will be desktop class app
you know is adobe cc for ipad for touch right?
http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/mobile.html and im sure for ipad pro will be desktop class app
The Adobe iOS apps are no more than simple toys. The iPad Pro will change nothing because it still runs iOS. There are no desktop-class applications for iOS because it's an OS designed for phones.
so you can't run on your rMBP adobe CC even if they had nothing to do with OSX you still can bootcamp.
Yea you are paying over 1000$ just to touch your app...this is no real and mature reason. You just want a surface pro because is a nice product and thats all and because you "CAN'T work on your already bought devices"
Yea you are paying over 1000$ just to touch your app...this is no real and mature reason. You just want a surface pro because is a nice product and thats all and because you "CAN'T work on your already bought devices"
You obviously have no idea how the Adobe Creative Cloud apps work.
All CC applications run just fine on OS X, excepting the touch-enabled features, which require a touchscreen. Macs don't have touchscreens. There are some features which simply work better with a touchscreen and a pen. Some of theme were demoed on Monday at Adobe MAX Conference and the guy had a terrible time trying to use those features on a Mac with a trackpad.
Bootcamp is of no use to me because, once again, there are no Macs with touchscreens.