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I have a Windows 10 PC ... a Surface Pro 3 .. a iPad (2014)... and A 2014 MacBook Pro running Yosemite.

Interesting - I guess everybody has a different experience. I've gone through many OS's as well - I have two Win10 workstations, a MBP 2010 and MBA 2012, an iPhone 5S, a gen3 iPad, a Surface Pro 3.

A few observations after using all these different things:
  • I had the original Surface which was a piece of crap - too heavy and fat to be a tablet, too small to be a laptop.
  • I don't find OSX to be gloriously stable - just as many OSX problems as Windows problems.
  • My kids will fight over the Windows machines, mostly because of the games it runs.
  • I like to use the MBA for light duty (browsing, email), love the hardware and OSX is good for that.
  • For real work it's Windows 10 - I prefer Windows 10's multi-monitor implementation and I hate the file menu locked to the screen top of OSX. I also think the dock is mickey mouse compared to the taskbar on Windows.
  • My iPad is a terrible POS with iOS9 - painfully slow to load pages and shockingly unstable. I wish I could downgrade it to iOS6 just to get back the snappy performance.
  • I find myself leaning to the Surface Pro 3 when I travel.

I'm irritated with Apple that my iPad has degraded so much in performance. The Macbooks are reasonably OK still after all those years, but the iPad is close to unusable. I may end up getting an Android tablet or a cheap Windows tablet to replace it (it's used basically on the couch for reading, browsing, email, and social networking).
 
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hybrid of apple would be iOS and OSX, surface is a hardware hybrid, a laptop and a tablet because it has the same OS
different things
 
Forgive me if I seem out of line, but it seems that Microsoft understood Jobs' vision of a "Post-PC era" in regards to tablets more than Apple did.
Jobs vision was iPad that run iOS, now where are we going with iPAD pro and iOS10 or iOS 11 only apple knows but still a mystery while on surface we already know what the future of that device. windows 11 and so on
The iOS will grow and maybe in a better management way
 
I get a lot of advantages out of using Apple's ecosystem- all my information on all my devices, a familiar interface everywhere I go, top-notch security and privacy, etc. Apple's ecosystem, overall, is still what I would consider the best.

However, I have to admit with this announcement that Microsoft is making HUGE strides in both hardware and software, which is good for consumers (more competition will hopefully result in a true hybrid device running Mac OS) and good for the overall industry. Windows 10 looks to me like the best of Windows 7 and 8 combined and an acknowledgement on Microsoft's part that customers' needs change when they switch from a mouse and keyboard interface to a touch interface. The new update system, while contentious, seems like a smart move too- Microsoft can likely prevent a lot of security issues by having your devices auto-update, and it saves (lazy/technologically-challenged) customers the hassle of updating devices themselves. Honestly, with how many updates Apple has been pushing on iOS users lately, I kind of wish my devices did this!

And the hardware Microsoft is launching... As others have pointed out, I hope this lights a fire under Apple to push their products further and make better devices. I'm sure Apple fans will criticize plugging your devices into Microsoft's USB-C hub, but let's be honest here: the Lumia devices producing a full-fledged Windows environment when plugged into a monitor, mouse and keyboard is really cool, the Surface Pro 4 is the device we all wish iPads were (ideally running Mac OS, which, like Windows, is a much more productive environment than iOS), and the Surface Book is absolutely amazing- something I'd love to see in the MacBook arena.

If Apple refuses to innovate and I get to where I need a new laptop in a few years, honestly I'll probably get that Surface Book. I write a lot and prefer typing on a genuine laptop because, well, I can put it in my lap! Tablets with keyboard cases and kickstands are all well and good... on a flat surface (heh, surface). They're obnoxious when they're falling over on your lap and ultimately ruin your productivity. But at the same time, I like having a tablet for reading articles, watching movies, and relaxing, and the Surface Book looks like a great option for a device that serves both purposes without any significant compromises.

Now if only I could go drop $1500-2000 on one. :D

Apple's event was pretty cool and Microsoft's was pretty cool. The real loser, I think, was Google. What a load of garbage that was. Literally nothing interesting was announced there and their employees announcing them barely even seemed interested. I don't care if Google lets its employees eat cereal at work, their hardware is $***.
 
The cooling system in the SP4 is rather intense

http://imgur.com/9gQAjct

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Sigh see this: Apologies for the mistake in my OP. Corrected now. However it doesn't change the point I was trying to make. It still has the horrendous aspect ratio when trying to manhandle the thing and god forbid you use it in portrait...

Anyway I'm not here to convince you. I thought my impressions since I actually got to hold and test these products today would be beneficial to the discussion since all comments before mine were guesses and conversations about the rehearsed keynote and directed video produced by MS.

As opposed to the rehearsed keynote and directed video produced by Apple?

I find it very convenient how you downplay the MS products and steer others into the Apple pool of offerings. It's quite humorous actually. Enjoy that iPad "Pro".
 
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As opposed to the rehearsed keynote and directed video produced by Apple?

I find it very convenient how you downplay the MS products and steer others into the Apple pool of offerings. It's quite humorous actually. Enjoy that iPad "Pro".

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Interesting coincidence.
 
Competition at it's finest. It's win win for all of us.

Thank you Microsoft for iPad Pro.

Thank you Samsung for iPhone 6 Plus.

Thank you Google for iOS 7.


Why didn't Samsung release a phone that will be as profitable as the iPhone 6s Plus?
 
This is good news for Windows and Linux users! I recently installed Windows 10 in VMware, and it didn't really impress me all that much.

I've heard a lot of "windows 10" is really solid. Wasn't windows 7 solid?
 
The 32GB 950 and 950 XL also includes a USB Type-C connector that Microsoft promises can charge the devices up to 50 percent within a span of 30 minutes.

Apple, why couldn't you have the USB-C in the 6s and iPad Pro? (Since Apple helped design USB-C anyway lol) Not only would they charge MUCH faster, but we'd be no longer tied down to a proprietary connector... Not to mention USB 3.0 transfer speeds which should help alleviate the lack of ports on the iPad Pro and help take advantage of the much faster flash ram seen on the 6s... (I'm currently waiting forever to download movies into my 128gb 6s+) Lightning please DIAF already...


Streaming movies is where it's at these days.
 
I've heard a lot of "windows 10" is really solid. Wasn't windows 7 solid?

Windows 7 was solid. Hell, if you get down to pure performance, Windows 8 was as stable as can be. It was the UI people took issue with. Windows 10 takes the strengths of both, fixes the sins of the latter, and is lighter on resources than either. Hence why people call it the "BESTAST WANDOWS EVAR!"
 
That's apple's issue - outside of some of us techies, people just don't upgrade their iPads. My wife uses an gen 1 Mini, I have a gen 2 mini and we have no plans on upgrading. The sliding sales of the iPad illustrate the issue, once people get an iPad they see no need to upgrade.

The good news is this means people like us can replace our aging devices with new ones, and the spouse will happily take the hand-me-downs. My wife is totally content with her (my old) iPad 3, but when I have to use it.. ugh. It's a brick. She'll be getting a "new" Air soon.
 
Windows 7 was solid. Hell, if you get down to pure performance, Windows 8 was as stable as can be. It was the UI people took issue with. Windows 10 takes the strengths of both, fixes the sins of the latter, and is lighter on resources than either. Hence why people call it the "BESTAST WANDOWS EVAR!"

Windows 10 feels more like 7 to be honest... 8.1 seemed better optimized overall, at least to me. They even kept that awful OneDrive integration from 7 instead of the elegant solution they have on 8.1
 
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Windows 10 feels more like 7 to be honest... 8.1 seemed better optimized overall, at least to me. They even kept that awful OneDrive integration from 7 instead of the elegant solution they have on 8.1

Yeah, I've heard people griping about the step back they took with Onedrive for awhile now. I didn't get to use it myself, since my old computer couldn't upgrade to 8.1, and my new one went straight into the Win10 beta. But from what I've read, it seems like I missed out on some good stuff.

Though Win10 does inherit some things from Win8. Mainly the dual touch/mouse interface. The only difference is that this time, they (arguably) made it work.
 
Surface book is the fastest laptop in the world...no it's not The new alienware 13" with Gtx 960M is
The Surface book only with the dGPU is faster than the macbook pro 13" thanks to skylake quad core and that dgpu and using apps that using OpenGL
Surface Pro 4 is 50% faster than macbook Air in the only case with 6th gen skylake 16 gm ram vs intel 5th with 8gb ram(bec it can't conf with 16 ram)

I trust in anandtech words, so i think those test are true but in those specific conditions and not in general
 
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Surface book is the fastest laptop in the world...no it's not The new alienware 13" with Gtx 960M is
The Surface book only with the dGPU is faster than the macbook pro 13" thanks to skylake quad core and that dgpu and using apps that using OpenGL
Surface Pro 4 is 50% faster than macbook Air in the only case with 6th gen skylake 16 gm ram vs intel 5th with 8gb ram

Cheetahs are faster than cats only because of their size and strength.
 
Well, "crappy" is relative to the wielder of said crapiness. When writing, I prefer that method of erasure rather than trying to find that tiny recessed button in the current surface stylus to do it.

Why do arrogant artists assume the stylus was invented exclusively for drawing?

Well first of all I'm not an arrogant artist, lol. I hear ya though, for taking notes it's actually a nice feature. So in the spirit of compromise then I wish they would put in a software setting so we could toggle it and both be happy.
 
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I have a Windows 10 PC ... a Surface Pro 3 .. a iPad (2014)... and A 2014 MacBook Pro running Yosemite.

While I love all my devices and I love the improvements to Windows 10.... it STILL doesn't come close to iOS and OSX for me. I would pluck my eyes out with a rusted butter knife if someone took my MacBook and iPad away and forced me to only use my Windows devices. However if someone took my Windows devices.. I'd be just fine on my Mac and iPad.

I'd set myself on fire and jump off the tallest building I could find if I was forced to only use OSx and iOS. Especially iOS, I loved the ipad when it first came out but as I realized how primitive it was I felt as if I was chained to a toy. When the first windows tablet came out, well at least the first of the newest generation, I felt like I had been let free from a very long sentence. I just couldn't see giving up all I can do on my tablet and going back, ever.
 
I also was pretty impressed by Microsoft today and think that increased competition and innovation is good for Apple and consumers, but incredibly innovative? All I see is a touchscreen laptop/tablet with detachable keyboard. Haven't these been around before? And for cheaper? All of which run Windows 10 well as it is actually a very good OS that can run on limited hardware. Again, I think Microsoft was impressive today. The phones look nice, continuum is a nice feature, and I think the move to hardware is a good idea. Incredibly innovative though? I guess I may be missing something.

1TB of storage, 16GB of RAM in a tablet, with a digitiser pen, a 13.5" display (largest tablet I'm aware of). Super high DPI, GPU in the keyboard allowing notebook class graphics when docked. It's very innovative in my opinion. The hinge they're using is also incredible, it looks amazing.
 
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is not the biggest tablet ..Samsung galaxy view with 18" is
THATS INCREDIBLE not apple or Microsoft
 
Ford has been using Windows Embedded Automobile with their Sync/MyTouch system, we had the first two major releases in our Ford Edge and later in our Ford Explorer. It wasn't very nice - and Ford made some major changes to the GUI after many complaints about the system being too distracting. Ultimately Ford made a good decision last year with dropping Microsoft for QNX in order to eventually open up to CarPlay and Android, eventually. Apparently the current QNX-based version is far ahead of their previous systems but an announcement by Ford regarding a new update including CarPlay/Android Auto has been expected for quite a while now.

Anyway, yes - "Windows Car" or whatever one wants to call it was there before :) .

I remember having a Ford Edge rental with Sync a few years ago. I actually didn't mind the GUI. And it was nice to be able to pair my phone immediately and have a ton of options/features that you usually don't get with a rental.

But I guess that GUI wasn't as well loved when you had to use it all the time.
 
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