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Microsoft Reveals Wireless 'Modern Keyboard' With Hidden Fingerprint ID Sensor

Sy7ygy said:
Nope; ergonomic & tactile. Something Apple users haven't a clue of.
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Exploding batteries, routine maintenance, frequent and unexplained system slowdowns, constant driver updates to take care of, inconsistent software experiences - something else that Apple users haven't a clue of.
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smacrumon said:
MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN APPLE. AND MUCH MORE RESOLVED IN DESIGN.

TRUTH HURTS.

INNOVATION ISNT OCCURING AT APPLE.

DIP THAT IMAC INTO DARK DYE, CALLED IT A PRO, BUT STILL NO PROGRESS OVERALL.
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Truth does not hurt. Truth liberates. Also, a stuck Caps Lock key should be fixed before posting on forums.

On another note, do you seriously think that innovation can keep happening at the same pace as it has happened over the last few decades? :)
 
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GaryMumford said:
I find the scrolling on the Magic Mouse so smooth compared to scroll wheels. When working with large files in Photoshop & Illustrator or coding in dreamweaver, or just simply browsing the web, The ability to flick up/down and left/right or just touch and scroll to navigate around in any direction is absolutely brilliant. I would never want to go back to a scroll wheel out of choice as in my kind of work they are too slow and clunky. It's just my personal choice though
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I find the Magic Mouse to be an ergonomic nightmare. I move around in Photoshop via the hand tool (good old spacebar+click/drag) just as I always have. I forget the key combo for Illustrator, but it works there too.

I do keep an Apple Trackpad nearby for occasional use, like certain Apple apps -- iTunes and Pages come to mind -- that for whatever reason interpret mouse wheel scrolls with intolerable slowness. I also do like four-finger swipe to go between spaces. If there was a mouse with decent ergonomics and a touch surface I'd consider it, but the Magic Mouse definitely isn't it for me.
 
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I think the Magic Mouse was never designed to be used for professional use. It works very wonderfully for browsing and scrolling and navigating around the OS, but get into a professional app where pixel point perfection is required, and the mouse would start squirming and squealing.

The fact that an iMac Pro will be revealed with the same mouse is a cause of concern. Apple should really have a Pro Keyboard and Pro Mouse now, with all the "Pro" fascination they are under lately, with iPad Pro, iMac Pro, ProMotion... otherwise they might just have another Pro blem at their hands.
 
4jasontv said:
My issue with the iMac Pro CPU isn't that they arn't socketed. That's a must. My issue is that iMacs heat like crazy, and since they don't have any room for additional cooling, there is a good chance that upgrades with be thermal restricted.
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Since they're going to be offering an 18-core option from the factory, the thermal ceiling has to be pretty high (for a desktop chip; server Xeons are another story). Looking at Intel's current chips, the E5-2695v4 in a single-socket topology is the lowest-power 18-core chip at 120W. With a 500W total power budget for the system, that sounds like a reasonable guess for the final processor they plan to use.

Looking at Intel's Xeon lineup over time, they have been introducing more and more low-power options. I suspect they're going to change the pinout from LGA1151 before you'd run out of upgrade options below 120W TDP.
 
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Mostly unrelated to the Microsoft keyboard but I want to say it...

I can see why Apple hasn't yet released a standalone wireless keyboard with Touch ID and Touchbar, even though I'd like it, BUT, how are those things NOT coming as part of the iMac Pro? $5K and the "most powerful Mac ever" and it doesn't even include some of Apple's greater, recent "innovations" (personally, I love touch ID and find my touchbar only slightly more useful than function keys for whatever that's worth).
 
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Bob Zimmerman said:
Since they're going to be offering an 18-core option from the factory, the thermal ceiling has to be pretty high (for a desktop chip; server Xeons are another story). Looking at Intel's current chips, the E5-2695v4 in a single-socket topology is the lowest-power 18-core chip at 120W. With a 500W total power budget for the system, that sounds like a reasonable guess for the final processor they plan to use.

Looking at Intel's Xeon lineup over time, they have been introducing more and more low-power options. I suspect they're going to change the pinout from LGA1151 before you'd run out of upgrade options below 120W TDP.
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Unless AMD offers a desktop chip with 20 cores, and draws the lines for termal so high that intel can afford to let them get hotter.

Staying closer to today, I find it hard to believe that the 18 cores wont run near maximum temps. I wouldn't be suprised if they thermal throttle direct from Apple. I'm sure Linus will test it once he gets his hands on it.
 
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Torrijos said:
This is something I don't get...

Why the recently released Apple wireless keyboard doesn't include Touch ID and visual touchbar.

It sure would have reduced autonomy a lot but all the sudden new desktop users could have accessed those features (iMac, macMini, macPro old and new the logic being in the keyboard directly).
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Shhhhhh...be quiet!....Apple is busy innovating...can't disturb them.
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macTW said:
"Man apple is so expensive, they should be like other companies."
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You can directly BLAME Apple for the high prices of Microsoft Surface Pro's and accessories, and along with it, Dell's ever increasing prices of their higher-tier hardware.

For years, the industry sees Apple making everyone bend over with ridiculous prices and profit margins...it doesn't take a business major to figure out you can (and should) do the same!
 
4jasontv said:
The iMac Pro is a powerful device, but I wouldn't call it progress. It's a really, really high end toy. Not being being able to replace the CPU or GPU is a real issue. Sure, the device will likely work for over a decade, but pro level software will come to expect Pro level performance within two software upgrade cycles. Having a sudden increase in performance for this market will decrease priority for Mac optimization because for at least two generations porting the windows version will be indistinguishable from developing a Metal 2 version.
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Real pros lease and replace every year or 2... not waste time doing IT. I've tried both options and sure a custom pc is currently a lot more powerful than any apple offering but - windows is horrible and based on pretty our of date tech and pcs end up being a juggling act of stability vs latest drivers and incompatible hardware.

I'd take a mac at half the power any day for my day to day workstation
 
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Nice decoration, but the "Modern" bit doesn't make sense: This thing still has all the keys offset like a mechanical typewriter. Where is that Gene Wilder meme rn?
 
4jasontv said:
My issue with the iMac Pro CPU isn't that they arn't socketed. That's a must. My issue is that iMacs heat like crazy, and since they don't have any room for additional cooling, there is a good chance that upgrades with be thermal restricted.
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All this judgement but we know very little about the new cooling system
 
WinstonRumfoord said:
The mouse looks like an ergonomic dream compared to Apple's.
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Looking ergonomic and being ergonomic are two very different propositions.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Look at the video of the mouse and you will see that it is being used with the wrist resting on the table and no part of the hand in contact with the raised 'ergonomic' design. And having the entire surface act as a scroll wheel on the magic mouse is more ergonomic than being forced to use one specific place. With the magic mouse I can rest the side of my hand on the table and lazily scroll with my thumb or any other digit, thus continually changing my micro muscle use which stops RSI. Being forced into using the same spot causes RSI, but hey, the MS mouse looks more ergonomic.
 
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snebes said:
Dafaq? I've never even heard of that size before. But I don't go buying batteries all that often, either.
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Avieshek said:
AAA batteries! :rolleyes:
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it's funny but I like when manufacturers use disposable batteries instead of rechargeable batteries. I have kept the old Magic Mouse and keyboard as I like the fact that it will most likely last much longer than I will.

I have thrown so many devices (shavers, and other electronics) that were in great shape but their batteries would no longer hold a charge. I purchased the keyboards for my ipad pro that connect using the pro connector as they will never need to be tossed for battery issues...
 
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dmylrea said:
Shhhhhh...be quiet!....Apple is busy innovating...can't disturb them.
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You can directly BLAME Apple for the high prices of Microsoft Surface Pro's and accessories, and along with it, Dell's ever increasing prices of their higher-tier hardware.

For years, the industry sees Apple making everyone bend over with ridiculous prices and profit margins...it doesn't take a business major to figure out you can (and should) do the same!
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So you're saying if Microsoft lowered their prices ever so slightly, they'd win the entire market... completely wrong.

The market sets the price. Not one company and others follow suite. In your suggestion, they wouldn't reach apple's price. They'd reach a Nash equilibrium much lower but above their starting price. Which isn't what happened...
 
epca12 said:
All this judgement but we know very little about the new cooling system
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We only know the old cooling, and since they didn't talk about a redesign...
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prowlmedia said:
Real pros lease and replace every year or 2... not waste time doing IT. I've tried both options and sure a custom pc is currently a lot more powerful than any apple offering but - windows is horrible and based on pretty our of date tech and pcs end up being a juggling act of stability vs latest drivers and incompatible hardware.

I'd take a mac at half the power any day for my day to day workstation
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Win10 is very stable, and runs far better on similar age hardware then macOS. I've never run into hardware issues since I've upgraded, but I have had to buy a new iMac because a custom gpu couldn't be replaced. Then again, pro is just short for professional, and there are many types of us.
 
macintoshmac said:
Exploding batteries, routine maintenance, frequent and unexplained system slowdowns, constant driver updates to take care of, inconsistent software experiences - something else that Apple users haven't a clue of.
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Truth does not hurt. Truth liberates. Also, a stuck Caps Lock key should be fixed before posting on forums.

On another note, do you seriously think that innovation can keep happening at the same pace as it has happened over the last few decades? :)
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Absolutely. With a treasure trove of coin behind Apple, innovation could be happening a twice the pace previously.
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Rogifan said:
Why are you shouting at people?
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It's just a way to stylize text, it's not shouting.
 
GaryMumford said:
I find the scrolling on the Magic Mouse so smooth compared to scroll wheels. When working with large files in Photoshop & Illustrator or coding in dreamweaver, or just simply browsing the web, The ability to flick up/down and left/right or just touch and scroll to navigate around in any direction is absolutely brilliant. I would never want to go back to a scroll wheel out of choice as in my kind of work they are too slow and clunky. It's just my personal choice though
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I found the original Magic Mouse at least too eager with its scrolling, like it would scroll when I had no desire to scroll. Sure I was probably holding it wrong ... but thinking back, I remember it made RTS gaming very difficult as it kept wanting to zoom in. Integrating it all the way was not great, but with the trackpad it works very well, and it is hard to go back to ones with buttons and no scrolling. Mousewise I always thought the Apple Wireless Mighty Mouse was the best. Nothing beat that track nipple, or that right click once used to it. It was and still is a nightmare in student computer labs though.
 
GaryMumford said:
Translation: ergonomic & tactile = slow & clunky. I prefer performance over aesthetics :D
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Have you already tried the new keyboard?
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macintoshmac said:
Exploding batteries, routine maintenance, frequent and unexplained system slowdowns, constant driver updates to take care of, inconsistent software experiences - something else that Apple users haven't a clue of.
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Truth does not hurt. Truth liberates. Also, a stuck Caps Lock key should be fixed before posting on forums.

On another note, do you seriously think that innovation can keep happening at the same pace as it has happened over the last few decades? :)
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Are you talking about Windows 95? You really need to update your opinions.
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Skika said:
They are trying so hard to be Apple.
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Yet Apple is trying so hard to be Alexa, or a bose speaker, or release a computer with a current processor. Or create an iPad with a file system that you can add a keyboard to and essentially have a Surface. The dreaded 2 in 1 Apple users swear is wrong.
 
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deno said:
I personally wouldn't buy a mouse if it didn't have a scroll wheel
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Same, I'm using a Logitech mouse now and has been by far the best accessory purchase I've made. It has a toggle button to switch between a "stepped" scroll wheel or a smooth one, adjustable internal weights to customise the feel too. I bought it because I realised I do a lot of computer work, play games, develop software, make art, etc and wanted the comfiest experience possible :)

I have *no* idea why people go for sub par experiences.
 
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