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Are you talking about Windows 95? You really need to update your opinions.
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I understand the English language, and I think of myself as sensible enough to not talk about Windows 95 in 2017. I apologise for anything that might have confused you into thinking I was talking about Windows 95.

With that clarification, here goes. I am not talking about Windows 95, thank you. I am talking from experience of seeing other Windows systems around me, all of which are Windows 7 and above. A Dell All-in-One with Windows 10, a Dell Precision Mobile Workstation, both I have used personally. Seen plenty of Windows 7 systems and plenty of HPs and Dell Inspirons with Windows 8 and 8.1. I have personally used Windows 98, ME, 2000, NT, XP, Vista, Windows 7 on my own assembled computer. The exploding batteries was about Samsung Note 7 fiasco. Everything else is based not in hyperbole but in personal experience and seeing those around me.

On another note, it is you who needs to stop making senseless assumptions thinking I and others don't know what they are talking about and talk sensibly based in and on fact. Your tone is belittling and is unwarranted.
 
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That's not hidden. That's like claiming my wheels on my car are hidden because I painted them black. It makes no sense. It's a key on a keyboard. Lmao. Very sad how this "reporting" has been lately on MR. Click-bait, false titles, false information. Jeez. Either way, this thing looks just like Apple's new keyboard.
I'm trying to work out if you're being facetious. The way I interpreted it is that the key doesn't stand out, that it's hidden in the crowd of identical keys. Your mileage may vary.
 
Absolutely. With a treasure trove of coin behind Apple, innovation could be happening a twice the pace previously.
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It's just a way to stylize text, it's not shouting.

Having a decent amount of savings doesn't make you more philanthropic, does it? Why gauge rate of innovation from the size of their purse? That metric itself is wrong. What about Intel.. what are your expectations from them? Surely, Kaby Lake must be a huge disappointment to you considering modest improvements over Skylake, no?

What kind of innovation do you think they are not pursuing?
 
$130 seems the going rate for sub-standard keyboards these days, up from more like $50 not too many years ago. It's a rip-off, that's more than my mechanicals.
 
That's not hidden. That's like claiming my wheels on my car are hidden because I painted them black. It makes no sense. It's a key on a keyboard. Lmao. Very sad how this "reporting" has been lately on MR. Click-bait, false titles, false information. Jeez. Either way, this thing looks just like Apple's new keyboard.
Except it has good keys, not the butterfly trash Apple uses.
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Translation: ergonomic & tactile = slow & clunky. I prefer performance over aesthetics :D
Then what the heck are you using Apple products for!
 
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We only know the old cooling, and since they didn't talk about a redesign...
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Win10 is very stable, and runs far better on similar age hardware then macOS. I've never run into hardware issues since I've upgraded, but I have had to buy a new iMac because a custom gpu couldn't be replaced. Then again, pro is just short for professional, and there are many types of us.
What do you mean? I said we know very little about the new cooling system, but they did talk about a redesign. Were you not talking about the iMac Pro or was that a typo?
 
you think that is interesting....the Surface Pen uses AAAA batteries try to find them!

I bought a 2-pack for my Surface Pen for $3... 14 months ago. And I still have one in my Surface bag.

Is it a stupid size? Yes. Is changing it once a year better than having to top off a charge every week? I think so.

I've got a wireless keyboard and mouse combo where the keyboard takes AA batteries and the mouse is rechargeable. One annoys the crap out of me, the other I can't even remember the last time I changed batteries.

Probably the best case scenario for a pen would be inductive charging when magnetically docked to a device. I'm kind of surprised the Surface hasn't done that yet... seeing as you CAN dock the pen on the device.
 
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It's Microsoft's direct wording.
How are we supposed to know that? In the body of the story there are no quotes or words such as "according to Microsoft's press release" to help us know. There were quoted text in the story but not there. I believed it to be the author's wording as well.
 
It's Microsoft's direct wording.

You don't have to use the fluff marketing terms the corporations give you. Editorialize, don't just reword some press release.
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This is something I don't get...

Why the recently released Apple wireless keyboard doesn't include Touch ID and visual touchbar.

It sure would have reduced autonomy a lot but all the sudden new desktop users could have accessed those features (iMac, macMini, macPro old and new the logic being in the keyboard directly).

Making the touchbar communicate over bluetooth may have been an obstacle
 
This is a very valid question. I would only be guessing, but Touch ID might have a security issue when sending the signal via BT or else it would require a dedicated chip that would increase the keyboard cost. The visual touchbar on the other hand is a key observation. To me the touchbar is a gimmick until every mac has it. Why design a program that uses the touchbar if only a fraction of your customers can access the feature? I imagine that Apple wants to use the touchbar to differentiate the pro line, but I feel like it fractures their ecosystem. I would like to see them add the ability to get the touchbar in all their devices to encourage software development. Since it's a Mac exclusive feature getting people dependent upon it would likely reduce churn.
I was thinking that since Apple embedded unlocking you computer from your iPhone with proximity in last year's OS update that it is unneeded in a desktop Mac. Laptops are portable and could be corporate so Touch ID is part of it. If a user has a desktop Mac at home the odds are they probably have an iPhone too and therefore the ID system is unneeded.
 
I was thinking that since Apple embedded unlocking you computer from your iPhone with proximity in last year's OS update that it is unneeded in a desktop Mac. Laptops are portable and could be corporate so Touch ID is part of it. If a user has a desktop Mac at home the odds are they probably have an iPhone too and therefore the ID system is unneeded.
I thought it was with the Apple watch only? But either way I think it would still be nice to have it on all Macs, it has the potential to be more useful than it is on iOS
 
My inner privacy advocate wonders how long until every key has a fingerprint reader in it and everything online can be tied back to a single user across devices.
Yeah the idea that it could be hidden in keys and shared without the users knowledge is worrying
 
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Having a decent amount of savings doesn't make you more philanthropic, does it? Why gauge rate of innovation from the size of their purse? That metric itself is wrong. What about Intel.. what are your expectations from them? Surely, Kaby Lake must be a huge disappointment to you considering modest improvements over Skylake, no?

What kind of innovation do you think they are not pursuing?

"Having a decent amount of savings" equals investment and resources. Having a lot of cash on hand enables Apple to pursue research and development on a large scale. Enables them to allocate staff, hire the best talent, and expedite production if they so choose.

For example, they could be researching new phone technologies, AND update the Mac mini and/or replace or update the MacBook Air, all before lunch if they wanted to. There is no excuse for the neglect some of their product lines are experiencing. They have the resources to address the problem.

Maybe it is their lack of planning. There are a lot of rich people out there too that don't have a clue.
 
"Having a decent amount of savings" equals investment and resources. Having a lot of cash on hand enables Apple to pursue research and development on a large scale. Enables them to allocate staff, hire the best talent, and expedite production if they so choose.

For example, they could be researching new phone technologies, AND update the Mac mini and/or replace or update the MacBook Air, all before lunch if they wanted to. There is no excuse for the neglect some of their product lines are experiencing. They have the resources to address the problem.

Maybe it is their lack of planning. There are a lot of rich people out there too that don't have a clue.

It is Apple and their cash, whatever they do with it. They are a business first. Are you sure they are not researching new phone technologies? Anyway, this remark that "they could be researching new phone technologies" itself tells me that you do not really have any clue. not even a hint of a clue. If you really believe that Apple is not researching "new phone technologies" ... the one area that is its bread and butter, so to say, then.. Well, all Apple needs to do to keep you happy is keep all of its products updated with the latest specs, that's it, and become like any other manufacturer who just mindlessly slap updates to the same old designs most of the times, and then bring in a new design once a while to keep the gentry happy.

When they explain why they do what they do, that is labelled as marketing speak and trashed. Sure, they have marketing overtones, the aroma is not pure science and is not supposed to be. It is supposed to be exciting for the masses. It is supposed to invoke a connect, send a message to the masses, and that is what Steve excelled at and in. His keynotes had clear messages for the public and a clear connect. While this is missing in the keynotes ever since Steve is no more, the culture at Apple and its fundamental DNA still remains what it always was.

One of the first things that struck me at Apple as an imbibed culture was that these guys really, really have a solid reasoning behind whatever they do. They are driven by their vision and the operative word is their. Many won't be happy with it. It is like faith, mine can be different from yours and we are both entitled to have our own faiths. It is fine. If you can't seem to align yourself to Apple's faith, why pelt stones at Apple for having a different faith than what you can believe in and not using its cash reserves to do something so that you can find yourself in alignment with it?

Point is, coming to your own message, there is no new Mac mini because maybe they are reevaluating the whole deal with it. They just don't want to keep selling it with updated specs and no further addition to value, and importantly, serving no better purpose. Apple's decisions revolve around a purpose, and then they find the medium that best serves it. They sometimes nail it, they sometimes fail at it. They are human, after all.
 
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I understand the English language, and I think of myself as sensible enough to not talk about Windows 95 in 2017. I apologise for anything that might have confused you into thinking I was talking about Windows 95.

With that clarification, here goes. I am not talking about Windows 95, thank you. I am talking from experience of seeing other Windows systems around me, all of which are Windows 7 and above. A Dell All-in-One with Windows 10, a Dell Precision Mobile Workstation, both I have used personally. Seen plenty of Windows 7 systems and plenty of HPs and Dell Inspirons with Windows 8 and 8.1. I have personally used Windows 98, ME, 2000, NT, XP, Vista, Windows 7 on my own assembled computer. The exploding batteries was about Samsung Note 7 fiasco. Everything else is based not in hyperbole but in personal experience and seeing those around me.

On another note, it is you who needs to stop making senseless assumptions thinking I and others don't know what they are talking about and talk sensibly based in and on fact. Your tone is belittling and is unwarranted.

Let's not forget your original quote that I was referring to:

"Exploding batteries, routine maintenance, frequent and unexplained system slowdowns, constant driver updates to take care of, inconsistent software experiences - something else that Apple users haven't a clue of."

Exploding batteries -
In your response to me you reference one battery incident, yet make it sound like exploding batteries is a common thing.

Routine maintenance, frequent and unexplained system slowdowns - A common issue with older Windows 7 and 8 systems. Not so with Windows 10, based on my current experiences, if you keep your software current there should be minimal issues. In your response to me you talk about one computer with Windows 10, and several other previous operating systems, those comments alone harking back to the days of Windows 95.

Constant driver updates to take care of, inconsistent software experiences - Really? I have to update the software on my iPad, iPhone, laptops, and Mac minis all the time. Have you forgotten how many times we installed an OS update to find lots of people trying to revert back to where they were because of bugs and problems? In the past I have also had several kernel panics using OS 10, or a frozen or unresponsive computer that required a hard restart. Right now I have software on my Mac that has not been updated in some time, or does not work under the current OS..... Just like Windows.

Something else that Apple users haven't a clue of - this was an ignorant assumption. It may be based on your experiences but not mine. I apologize if you were offended.

My intent was not to belittle but draw attention to the fact that too many people are quick to point out past PC transgressions, yet have very little experience with current hardware offerings or Windows 10. I prefer Apple products and use them daily but I don't judge alternatives.

However; based on my current experience with Windows 10 (Almost 2 years), it is head and shoulders above 7 or 8. It is a viable alternative.
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It is Apple and their cash, whatever they do with it. They are a business first. Are you sure they are not researching new phone technologies? Anyway, this remark that "they could be researching new phone technologies" itself tells me that you do not really have any clue. not even a hint of a clue. If you really believe that Apple is not researching "new phone technologies" ... the one area that is its bread and butter, so to say, then.. Well, all Apple needs to do to keep you happy is keep all of its products updated with the latest specs, that's it, and become like any other manufacturer who just mindlessly slap updates to the same old designs most of the times, and then bring in a new design once a while to keep the gentry happy.

When they explain why they do what they do, that is labelled as marketing speak and trashed. Sure, they have marketing overtones, the aroma is not pure science and is not supposed to be. It is supposed to be exciting for the masses. It is supposed to invoke a connect, send a message to the masses, and that is what Steve excelled at and in. His keynotes had clear messages for the public and a clear connect. While this is missing in the keynotes ever since Steve is no more, the culture at Apple and its fundamental DNA still remains what it always was.

One of the first things that struck me at Apple as an imbibed culture was that these guys really, really have a solid reasoning behind whatever they do. They are driven by their vision and the operative word is their. Many won't be happy with it. It is like faith, mine can be different from yours and we are both entitled to have our own faiths. It is fine. If you can't seem to align yourself to Apple's faith, why pelt stones at Apple for having a different faith than what you can believe in and not using its cash reserves to do something so that you can find yourself in alignment with it?

Point is, coming to your own message, there is no new Mac mini because maybe they are reevaluating the whole deal with it. They just don't want to keep selling it with updated specs and no further addition to value, and importantly, serving no better purpose. Apple's decisions revolve around a purpose, and then they find the medium that best serves it. They sometimes nail it, they sometimes fail at it. They are human, after all.

Dear forum member, you are making assumptions. In my comment I suggest Apple could be researching new phone technology "AND" updating some of their other product lines. The fact that I capitalized "AND" implies I was referring to phone development and hardware updates at the SAME TIME.... Nowhere did I say they were not developing phone technology.

I am playing devils advocate to those who compare Apple to other companies as if Apple is infallible. I love and use a lot of their products, going back to the early 90's.

I am glad you are impressed with the Apple culture and Allure of their products. Their marketing borders on genius. I am enthralled as well, but a lot of the hype and negative responses I read regarding alternative hardware from other vendors is misguided at best.

"inconsistent software experiences - something else that Apple users haven't a clue of." Your comment speaks to my point exactly.
 
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What do you mean? I said we know very little about the new cooling system, but they did talk about a redesign. Were you not talking about the iMac Pro or was that a typo?

The iMac Pro case looks exactly the same. You think the heatsync will be user replaceable too?
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I was thinking that since Apple embedded unlocking you computer from your iPhone with proximity in last year's OS update that it is unneeded in a desktop Mac. Laptops are portable and could be corporate so Touch ID is part of it. If a user has a desktop Mac at home the odds are they probably have an iPhone too and therefore the ID system is unneeded.

How does it work when you have more than one iPhone trying to unlock more than one user account on a mac? There needs to be some control over whose account gets unlocked and if it even is unlocked. Just because I am in the room with my mac doesn't mean I want my account to be unlocked.
 
The iMac Pro case looks exactly the same. You think the heatsync will be user replaceable too?
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How does it work when you have more than one iPhone trying to unlock more than one user account on a mac? There needs to be some control over whose account gets unlocked and if it even is unlocked. Just because I am in the room with my mac doesn't mean I want my account to be unlocked.
yes it looks the same but in no way does that mean the cooling is the same, they wouldn't be able to put Vega and eons in there without a thermal redesign. They said so themselves, we know its different!
 
How about the fact that MS makes an extended wireless keyboard and Apple doesn't?

Yes, but otherwise it looks like Apples wiered keyboard in gray. I do agree that Apple should offer a wireless extended keyboard and not just for its future iMacPro.
 
yes it looks the same but in no way does that mean the cooling is the same, they wouldn't be able to put Vega and eons in there without a thermal redesign. They said so themselves, we know its different!

I agree, but the issues is that it has to be better at cooling than what their high ennd system can support. I guess we will have to wait to see if it keeps temps significanly under throttling at max specs with max load. It's not good enough if it perfoms well with the stock hardware but doesn't have room to manage more heat. Chips eventually become less efficient, or are replaced with hardware that generates more heat, it will likely throttle.

Apple doesn't build their machines with uprgades in mind, so it's hard to believe they will build this one will be any different.
 
The iMac Pro case looks exactly the same. You think the heatsync will be user replaceable too?
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How does it work when you have more than one iPhone trying to unlock more than one user account on a mac? There needs to be some control over whose account gets unlocked and if it even is unlocked. Just because I am in the room with my mac doesn't mean I want my account to be unlocked.
While I don't have first hand knowledge from what I understand your iPhone account is tied to the user account so you can only open your own account/login. Proximity is not in the room but right next to the machine. With your iPhone on you and you sit down at the computer hitting the space bar or key to wake it up the machine reads your iPhone and instantly logs you into your profile/account.
 
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