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Microsoft, Samsung Take on Apple With New Smartphone Announcements
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Don't know why M$ insist on calling their mobile phone platform 'Windows Mobile'. It's not anything like their desktop/server counterpart. There isn't really any 'Windows' concept (and even if where it's harder to pull off for such a small space).
Not only that, it will inherit whatever impression from their older windows mobile platform that pre-dates microsoft going into the phone OS business, and/or windows. It's not like either brand has the best reputation out there.
Why can't they simply call it, 'MS Mobile 7' and drop the Windows already; because it's not Windows. They market Windows 7 right, but call it Windows 7, and not Windows Vista 2; why? Vista had a bad name.
Not now Apple called their phone OS, 'MacOS X Mobile'; as it wouldn't make sense. Even if it had a very similar core in darwin and kernel, it's not to be confused with MacOSX, therefore iphoneOS is atleast better.
So, some people who like it as they like Windows platform and/or neutral. But there's a bunch of others when they hear the word Windows, they think "buggy", "hackable", "too well known by hackers", "popular to exploit", "security nightmare", "virus", etc. They'll stay away from anything Windows on their most personal and private device. From a marketing prospect, Windows Mobile already have a fanbase. If MS wants to grow beyond this customer-base, they need to appeal to non-fans... or the skeptics. Just the brand, 'Windows Mobile 7' may not work.
That aside, The UI looks like the Zune. =/ i tried the Zune, and it wasn't the easiest UI to navigate through. The flashiness was distracting for me, and was more confusing than useful.
Not only that, it will inherit whatever impression from their older windows mobile platform that pre-dates microsoft going into the phone OS business, and/or windows. It's not like either brand has the best reputation out there.
Why can't they simply call it, 'MS Mobile 7' and drop the Windows already; because it's not Windows. They market Windows 7 right, but call it Windows 7, and not Windows Vista 2; why? Vista had a bad name.
Not now Apple called their phone OS, 'MacOS X Mobile'; as it wouldn't make sense. Even if it had a very similar core in darwin and kernel, it's not to be confused with MacOSX, therefore iphoneOS is atleast better.
So, some people who like it as they like Windows platform and/or neutral. But there's a bunch of others when they hear the word Windows, they think "buggy", "hackable", "too well known by hackers", "popular to exploit", "security nightmare", "virus", etc. They'll stay away from anything Windows on their most personal and private device. From a marketing prospect, Windows Mobile already have a fanbase. If MS wants to grow beyond this customer-base, they need to appeal to non-fans... or the skeptics. Just the brand, 'Windows Mobile 7' may not work.
That aside, The UI looks like the Zune. =/ i tried the Zune, and it wasn't the easiest UI to navigate through. The flashiness was distracting for me, and was more confusing than useful.
GEEZ, all the bickering...
The reason we use apple products is because they are tightly integrated and do what they do well. I would no more switch to a microsoft product than would i cut my right hand off, but that does not mean that i want microsoft or any apple competitor to fail or make lousy products. That being said, ive never used a microsoft product that JUST works well, or does not get in my way of being productive. you fanboys need to calm down a bit and you "Macophiles" that threaten to switch because of a pretty concept product, when in reality you will probably never make the move, need to to quit talking smack cuz it makes you feel like your standing up to the mighty Apple Inc. Apple got to where it is by making its customers happy with the best products and service in the industry and i doubt it has plans to change its course anytime soon.
The reason we use apple products is because they are tightly integrated and do what they do well. I would no more switch to a microsoft product than would i cut my right hand off, but that does not mean that i want microsoft or any apple competitor to fail or make lousy products. That being said, ive never used a microsoft product that JUST works well, or does not get in my way of being productive. you fanboys need to calm down a bit and you "Macophiles" that threaten to switch because of a pretty concept product, when in reality you will probably never make the move, need to to quit talking smack cuz it makes you feel like your standing up to the mighty Apple Inc. Apple got to where it is by making its customers happy with the best products and service in the industry and i doubt it has plans to change its course anytime soon.
My thoughts as well. I found the XBox animations distracting just while I was watching the video. I know I'd hate it sitting on my phone. For that matter, is that something I can turn off? I don't have an XBox, and certainly won't be paying an additional monthly fee for XBox Live on my phone. Why do I want that Mii (I mean, sorry, hyper-realistic 3D modeled mannequin) leering at me all day?
I also wonder how fluid all those animations will be on the hardware HTC or Samsung throw at it. Animations are really cool and can be really useful, so long as (1) they perform so well they don't seem to be slowing down the system, and (2) they complete in the time it takes ma to move my finger from the end of one gesture to the start of the next, Every Single Time. Given Microsofts, er, lack of taste and self-control, I'm not confident that either of the above will be satisfied. At this point, until we actually see the finished product (not a Silverlight demo of it) running on real hardware that we can buy, I think the prudent assumption is that the animations will be distracting and get in the way. Yet, there's hope. It's the way things should evolve; I just don't have faith that Microsoft will be able to get it there.
Hopefully, in the next nine months Microsoft will "tone down" the distractions.
Yeah, that's not saying much at all. It's important to note that this is not really an "upgrade", though. Unlike a Windows upgrade, this:
1. Will not install on any older devices
2. Will not run any programs built for the older OS / devices
As a result, there's no installed base which forms the foundation for making the OS ubiquitous.
It's silly, then, to compare this to the most backwards and clunky of the smartphone OS's out there; if it is to attract users, it needs to compete positively against Android, iPhone, and WebOS (and Symbian too, I guess, but being US-centric I can't say how it looks compared to that; and Blackberry, too, but IMHO BB survives on its installed base primarily, not on the functionality or attraction of its OS).
Great UI until you drill down
Great UI I kept saying to myself, kudos to MS. But this ribbon ui looks familiar - it's similar to zune and xbox 360's. The former I have no experience, the latter (360) I hate.
Not sure if the ui is left right only, but if you need to drill down you're doomed. You're going to get lost fast. How do I get back to that screen? Arrow at the bottom? Swipe up twice? Swipe left then up, up? I think this ui is only for Window native apps, making going to a 3rd party app feel foreign and disconnect. I can be wrong, and the ui specs or hig will be given to all, but I'm not sure.
I'll reserve my judgment until I see it, nice to have MS try. But not sure this ui will work, no consistency with 3rd party apps will be a problem because 3rd party apps will want to create their own ui within their programs.
Great UI I kept saying to myself, kudos to MS. But this ribbon ui looks familiar - it's similar to zune and xbox 360's. The former I have no experience, the latter (360) I hate.
Not sure if the ui is left right only, but if you need to drill down you're doomed. You're going to get lost fast. How do I get back to that screen? Arrow at the bottom? Swipe up twice? Swipe left then up, up? I think this ui is only for Window native apps, making going to a 3rd party app feel foreign and disconnect. I can be wrong, and the ui specs or hig will be given to all, but I'm not sure.
I'll reserve my judgment until I see it, nice to have MS try. But not sure this ui will work, no consistency with 3rd party apps will be a problem because 3rd party apps will want to create their own ui within their programs.
I didn't think it was possible to have a more boring home screen than the iPhone but they really seemed intent on taking that title
When Apple does wrong, I'm sure you'll hear about it. They haven't yet. Lots of reason for Apple fans to be loyal and confident, if it comes down to that. Apple's been riding high for years and there's no end in sight. The industry's best efforts so far, after over two years, still can't measure up. What does that tell you?
Have you bothered to even read the news story? They’re not calling it Windows Mobile anymore. It’s now known as “Windows Phone 7,” which for once makes sense.
It’s a “Windows Phone” and it’s version 7 of the operating system.
Actually, Apple does refer to parts of the “iPhone OS” as “Mobile [Desktop application]” like “Mobile Safari.”
I love this forum!
I absolutely love how everyone has an instant love/hate opinion about technology products that you can't even hold yet!
That aside... seems like over the past couple years, about every three months the next "iPhone", "iPod", "MacOSX", etc... killer is being introduced and once it is the banter begins here.
Now if past years tell us anything when it comes to the iPhone and iPod markets, the competition keeps getting better, but Apple seems to stay just one step ahead. I remember last year when the Zune HD was introduced and how many people here jumped on the media bandwagon and made their claim that the Zune was going to kick the iPods butt. Well... fast forward six months... Zune HD who? Heck... the local Walmart here even took them off the interactive displays!
So.... my iPhone works great. It keeps getting better too and I'm sure MS and Google and others have nice phone OS's too, but Apple has given me no reason to even look anywhere else. I'm just assuming competition like with Windows Mobile 7 will only keep Apple on it's toes and help make the iPhone even better.
Have fun!
I absolutely love how everyone has an instant love/hate opinion about technology products that you can't even hold yet!
That aside... seems like over the past couple years, about every three months the next "iPhone", "iPod", "MacOSX", etc... killer is being introduced and once it is the banter begins here.
Now if past years tell us anything when it comes to the iPhone and iPod markets, the competition keeps getting better, but Apple seems to stay just one step ahead. I remember last year when the Zune HD was introduced and how many people here jumped on the media bandwagon and made their claim that the Zune was going to kick the iPods butt. Well... fast forward six months... Zune HD who? Heck... the local Walmart here even took them off the interactive displays!
So.... my iPhone works great. It keeps getting better too and I'm sure MS and Google and others have nice phone OS's too, but Apple has given me no reason to even look anywhere else. I'm just assuming competition like with Windows Mobile 7 will only keep Apple on it's toes and help make the iPhone even better.
Have fun!
It depends; after all, a year is a measurement of time. Depends on your perspective. It is, as they say, relative. Know before you go.
Not sure about this one.
I was excited about this phone about an hour ago. Looks great in the Engadget writeup. I actually wrote that I think Android might have met their match and my next phone decision would be between an iPhone and a WinMo7 phone. After watching the videos, I'm not quite so sure.
I agree that on one hand, it does make the iPhone look dated: this has way more flashy graphics and animations, giant modern text, and flat colors. The problem I can see is that it's not immediately clear on how to get to stuff. With the iPhone, I know what apps do and I know that I just need to press on one of the 20 icons to launch them. This is a little more convoluted. It's going to be interesting to see how Apple handles this. I'm all for updating UI (still waiting for Aqua to go away in OSX) but I wouldn't want to lose any of the usability that I love Apple for. Perhaps Apple puts in 2nd UI in for when you turn the iPhone sideways. That way you'd have all the awesomeness of the current "tap and go" 20 icons, then you can have something a little more "modern", animated, and contextual when you turn it sideways.
With the next iPhone OS, I hope Apple does take a couple cues from these new contenders, though. I'd love to see an option for widgets in the lock screen. Maybe see a few Facebook updates, upcoming calendar events, stocks, and news before I ever even unlock. I do see the problem: that my information is public to anyone just looking at my locked phone.. they wouldn't even need a password to see what I'm up to.
I don't think anyone cares about Samsung; they're just doing what iPhone does, but not as well.
I was excited about this phone about an hour ago. Looks great in the Engadget writeup. I actually wrote that I think Android might have met their match and my next phone decision would be between an iPhone and a WinMo7 phone. After watching the videos, I'm not quite so sure.
I agree that on one hand, it does make the iPhone look dated: this has way more flashy graphics and animations, giant modern text, and flat colors. The problem I can see is that it's not immediately clear on how to get to stuff. With the iPhone, I know what apps do and I know that I just need to press on one of the 20 icons to launch them. This is a little more convoluted. It's going to be interesting to see how Apple handles this. I'm all for updating UI (still waiting for Aqua to go away in OSX) but I wouldn't want to lose any of the usability that I love Apple for. Perhaps Apple puts in 2nd UI in for when you turn the iPhone sideways. That way you'd have all the awesomeness of the current "tap and go" 20 icons, then you can have something a little more "modern", animated, and contextual when you turn it sideways.
With the next iPhone OS, I hope Apple does take a couple cues from these new contenders, though. I'd love to see an option for widgets in the lock screen. Maybe see a few Facebook updates, upcoming calendar events, stocks, and news before I ever even unlock. I do see the problem: that my information is public to anyone just looking at my locked phone.. they wouldn't even need a password to see what I'm up to.
I don't think anyone cares about Samsung; they're just doing what iPhone does, but not as well.
"Good enough" is never enough when competing in the same space as Apple. It's either a revolution or redefinition of the space or it won't make much headway against Apple. This is just how it is.
"Wintel" goes smart-phone!
If they are talking this coming out in time for the Holiday Season 2010, they might as well throw a bulls-eye target on their back. By then, the 4Gen iPhone will be out with a lot of really cool stuff making this look like a DOS app.
While Windows 7 was sized down mostly for mobile systems, getting this to work on a handheld is going to be an effort. It will obviously run on some special, smart-phone specific version of the Intel Atom processor (the real reason for Windows 7) and the Microsoft Visual C# and -- shudder! -- Visual Basic -- environment is most likely be the IDE of choice to get apps on this platform.
How stable will the OS be? I can already see dropped calls due to runaway third party threads resetting this smart-phone. Or worst, trans-wireless viruses making calls to 1-900-numbers jacking up the user's bill.
While you can bitch about the iPhone being closed, it has done a damn good job at preventing virus / worms and establishing a very good on line store for third party developers who promote properly.
If they are talking this coming out in time for the Holiday Season 2010, they might as well throw a bulls-eye target on their back. By then, the 4Gen iPhone will be out with a lot of really cool stuff making this look like a DOS app.
While Windows 7 was sized down mostly for mobile systems, getting this to work on a handheld is going to be an effort. It will obviously run on some special, smart-phone specific version of the Intel Atom processor (the real reason for Windows 7) and the Microsoft Visual C# and -- shudder! -- Visual Basic -- environment is most likely be the IDE of choice to get apps on this platform.
How stable will the OS be? I can already see dropped calls due to runaway third party threads resetting this smart-phone. Or worst, trans-wireless viruses making calls to 1-900-numbers jacking up the user's bill.
While you can bitch about the iPhone being closed, it has done a damn good job at preventing virus / worms and establishing a very good on line store for third party developers who promote properly.
Indeed, No Imagination.
Just COPYCATS
More Lame Copycat products ordered by the empty headed CEO suits.
I'm not one to hate but what the heck is that!
So MS pimped out the UI. BIG DEAL. This isn't going to do anything to Apple. They have their game sewed up. They control the OS and the hardware. One software update and Apple could emulate anything announced by MS today concerning their OS. Just one update. So there is nothing happening here that can't be owned by Cupertino if they chose to.
Move on kids.
So MS pimped out the UI. BIG DEAL. This isn't going to do anything to Apple. They have their game sewed up. They control the OS and the hardware. One software update and Apple could emulate anything announced by MS today concerning their OS. Just one update. So there is nothing happening here that can't be owned by Cupertino if they chose to.
Move on kids.
Yes, because virues and dropped calls and malicious 1-900 bills are already an issue on WM.
Hey, I absolutely hate WM and I'm happy they have pretty much dropped it with this 7 Phone series, but let's get real here. Stop talking FUD, specially if you don't know what are you talking about.
How do you expect Apple to create a new UI if they can't even evolve from a minor UI change like changing the Aqua elements in 10.6 to this "flat metal look" you describe? The fact remains the same. The iPhone UI is dated and boring. Imagine the Windows Phone 7 Series UI on the iPad, now that would have made it "revolutionary". Instead we got the same old iPhone/iPod touch UI. Not very creative is it? Thank God for the ability to theme and use 3rd party software to change the UI in 10.6.
It's not "can't," obviously they can. They "won't," however, because it disrupts familiarity, which alienates non-techie consumers. Even a minor change can disorient people. (Remember the uproar when Apple removed the Apple menu from early OS X builds?).
My guess is that you will never see Apple do a wholesale GUI change. It will be more evolutionary, as needed. Also the iPad's GUI isn't going to determine wether its a revolutionary device, the apps will.
looks great! The pictures don't do it justice, seeing it in action through video it looks really sharp.
Everyone saying "it's outdated, cluttered and a year behind the iPhone OS" - I can't help but disagree with you and think that you're judging the phone without having really even looked at it.
Looks great, hooray for competition amongst mobile phones and their OS.
Not a fan of the Samsung Bada OS though.
Everyone saying "it's outdated, cluttered and a year behind the iPhone OS" - I can't help but disagree with you and think that you're judging the phone without having really even looked at it.
Looks great, hooray for competition amongst mobile phones and their OS.
Not a fan of the Samsung Bada OS though.
Looks like MS have got a certain target phone in mind when talking about their new baby
Yes, and who better represents change than...Microsoft???
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Hahaha. So much for competition. Those things are ugly as hell. Well, at least we know what the next generation of failed iPhone killers look like.