This is trivial. Make a large chassis. Apple does not play that game for a while now. Remind me when any vendor puts a 150tdp gpu inside a laptop as thin as a macbook.
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Microsoft Says Its New Surface Book 2 is Twice as Powerful as Latest MacBook Pro
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I find windows to be astonishingly bad, given how much people say it has improved. It is better than before, but it feels truly depressing using it. Coming back to a Mac afterwards is such a relief. I recently bought my son a Windows laptop for school work. I figured it would be better than a Chromebook. more versatile. It wasn't that cheap, but it is awful. What's worse is he won't use it, so it was a complete waste of money. He grabs my wife's MacBook Air, which on paper has way worse specs, but is so much nicer to use he can't resist.
While it looks like a nice machine, the age old mantra still stands: "No OSX, no sale!"
"Twice as powerful" is usually something said to lure people who know nothing about tech. I'm sure this is nothing more than specs on paper which do not transfer well across operating systems.
There's a reason my home machines (Macs that are lower specced than my Windows work machines) outperform my work machines by leaps and bounds.
It's all how the OS utilizes resources and Windows can't hold a candle to Mac in that regard.
There's a reason my home machines (Macs that are lower specced than my Windows work machines) outperform my work machines by leaps and bounds.
It's all how the OS utilizes resources and Windows can't hold a candle to Mac in that regard.
OTOH, you neglected to address the Microsoft claim that it's twice as fast as the MBP, 70% more battery life and higher resolution.
So yea, we can probably still bitch.
But you still have to overlook the corporate gripes that Microsoft products requires a lot more IT support. Might be a wash, I don't know.
So predictable....
Which OS are you talking about, these devices can run Linux too...
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And to round it all off it even comes with Windows 10. Fantastic!! Sorry had to get that in as so many are quick to say 'windows is horrible' but probably haven't even tried it in years.
Sadly there are plenty of rumours around saying that MS might get our of the surface business by 2019 as it's not making any money. Hope it doesn't as the surface range is very good.
Seems I stand corrected. Twice.
Had heard that Windows was not yet 64bit. OK.
Any ideas then why High Sierra is SO much faster switching between apps when running MacBook Pro 15inch touchbar with some memory pressure?
With Sierra it would take between 0.5-5 seconds to switch. Since High Sierra it's basically instantaneous (after performing a command-tab operation).
I am talking about when they update their line.
https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac
iMac: 371 day avg.
MacBook: 394 day avg.
MacBook Air: 403 day avg.
MacBook Pro: 303 day avg.
Mac Pro: 609 day avg.
Mac Mini: 438 day avg.
On average, Apple doesn't even update most of their lines within a year, and they are particularly neglectful of their desktop line.
"Regularly" was the wrong word. They generally skip spec bumps and keep existing specs lackluster (RAM, etc.) for far longer than their competition. I wish all of the Desktop line received at least one update a year.
Too much, regardless of the Windows vs. macOS/ PC vs. Mac pissing contest that is occurring in this thread, the price for these machines is high. Too high imo, I was critical of Apple pricing their MBPs so high back when they rolled out the new 2016 models, I'm not going to give MS a pass on the same issue. I can see myself using the 15" laptop, save for the high price.How much!
Sadly, I feel that Ms has more quality item then the current MBPs. The MBP keyboards are sore point of contention given their propensity to fail.
Financial services backends (i.e where the important stuff happens) don't run on Windows and have never done so. They instead tend to run on Linux, AIX (IBM's mainframe OS) or some old mainframe OS (if they're one of the many big corporations that are still using systems they set up in the 70s and 80s due to the cost and risk of replacing them).
Don't get me wrong, most big companies run Windows on the desktop due to a long list of reasons, but systems that are business critical and/or require high performance to be able to perform their duties tend to run on operating systems better suited for that kind of work.
As a Windows user, I can tell you that the problem with ALL hardware manufacturers is lack of reliability.
And of course, the presence of Windows.
My ASUS N750's keyboard is broken, its heats up like crazy, but then there are problems inherent to Windows. It just gives up and shuts down randomly, or there's a black screen because Windows failed and there an irrecuperable mistake going on, with fans hurling and the disc drive spinning. How do I do work with this ?
At the office, it was the same. Always failing. We needed to restart like 20 times a day, lost work...
So, you can give me the lastest and shiniest Windows Powered PC.
I know it'll still rot within 6 months. I know it'll still be Windows.
Anone who pays north of 600€ for a Windows laptop sucks hard.
And of course, the presence of Windows.
My ASUS N750's keyboard is broken, its heats up like crazy, but then there are problems inherent to Windows. It just gives up and shuts down randomly, or there's a black screen because Windows failed and there an irrecuperable mistake going on, with fans hurling and the disc drive spinning. How do I do work with this ?
At the office, it was the same. Always failing. We needed to restart like 20 times a day, lost work...
So, you can give me the lastest and shiniest Windows Powered PC.
I know it'll still rot within 6 months. I know it'll still be Windows.
Anone who pays north of 600€ for a Windows laptop sucks hard.
DOnt buy the 1060 option, every slim laptop,razer like that i tried, get really hot, i suppose is not a Max-Q 1060 just the normal one. So it is a v bad exp. only 1050 and 1050TI should be in those slim laptops. From 1060 above they need to be in alienware like enclosure
Haven't noticed such a massive difference (2013 15-inch rMBP, 16 GB RAM). Maybe it's more related to their WindowServer / Metal 2 changes.
You're correct that the move to APFS hopefully yields some performance benefits. However, you're completely on the wrong track regarding 64-bit — a 64-bit file system refers to limitations such as the number and size of blocks, files, etc.
For instance, twenty years ago, HFS (not HFS+) was limited to 16-bit* of files, i.e. 2^16*, i.e. just 65,535 individual files. The main push of HFS+ was that it moved to 32-bit*/2^32 files, which is over four billion. APFS moves to 2^63 files, which is probably more than you'll ever need. However, that wasn't really much of a pressing concern with HFS+ — it's a nice improvement, but it's not the main reason to move towards APFS.
*) Technically, minus one.
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I'm not disputing that Apple's update cycles could use improvement, especially with the Mac Pro and Mac mini. However, it doesn't change that there's no significant difference between the update length of the Surface Book and that of the MacBook Pro.
I like that Microsoft is bringing competition, it will force Apple to 'innovate' a little harder with their laptops but god damn that mute grey and flexible hinge looks like it's straight out 80s Sci-Fi.
Sadly, it is completely correct. The MacBook Pro is a joke in its current state. Really disappointed with Apple. It's an awful, slow, and frankly useless machine - and at an insane price point at that.
It's unfortunate, because I really like OS X on laptops and dislike Windows on laptops, but there is just no way I can defend buying anything in Apple's laptop line-up right now. It's a joke.
It's unfortunate, because I really like OS X on laptops and dislike Windows on laptops, but there is just no way I can defend buying anything in Apple's laptop line-up right now. It's a joke.
There's a guide here on how to install OS X on a Surface Book:
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/to...lling-os-x-10114-10123-on-surface-book/page-1
Just sayin'
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/to...lling-os-x-10114-10123-on-surface-book/page-1
Just sayin'
Its an interesting topic to read because this seems to polarise people. I've had to use Windows daily when working for clients pretty much all my life, but I gave up using it at home and for my own businesses 20 years ago.
Recently I've had to start using Windows for some of my own stuff due to pretty niche software and I find Windows 10 an absolute nightmare to use. The UI is all over the place and even the Pro version doesn't seem to know who its aimed at.
Its just not intuitive and I find lots of the settings and added features are a confusing mess - the more you have to change settings and dig under the hood to find them (you mean by turning this big switch to OFF here, I didn't really turn the feature off after all?), the more it just looks like they've been adding layers of UI on top of layers of UI from different versions of the OS and ended up with this mish-mash.
Things like the patching system, UAM and notifications are beyond a parody now, I can't believe MS thinks this is what users want.
Currently, I have the 2017 MacBook Pro 15 inch with 2TB SSD. However, it's nowhere near what I expected from my once beloved Apple heritage. During the past two years, I have marveled at Microsoft's commercials and Surface line of innovations.
This is something that I've wished for, and it finally looks like Microsoft hired the right people. Heaven knows they have the resources to not only match Apple but to jump ahead in areas that Tim Cook no longer views as relevant.
This is something that I've wished for, and it finally looks like Microsoft hired the right people. Heaven knows they have the resources to not only match Apple but to jump ahead in areas that Tim Cook no longer views as relevant.
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Don't understand all the hate and innuendo about Microsoft being a for-profit company. They have a business model, they sell software, they sell services, they sell support, they recently entered the hardware+software as one ( something we always felt that Apple had advantage in). Good for them.
Last I checked, Apple was a for-profit company too. In fact, they want to sell you the latest phone for $1000
You mean that in a couple of years the MBP line will have a GPU thats of comparable strength to the one in the Surface Book now?
