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Microsoft Says Its New Surface Book 2 is Twice as Powerful as Latest MacBook Pro
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intersting way too look at it, apple all but drops updates of its Mac line, launches a MacBook Pro that gets poor reception and quickly put out revisions to save the situation. If you look at Mac updates in the last 5 years you will see that apple has given up on the "computer" range focusing non its cash cow, while Microsoft is trying to improve a product (which needed the updates) . The mini....the Mac Pro.....it's embarrassing.... followed by an iMac pro with its compromised design meaning the iMac pro is being equipped with downclocked components and will suffer from heat and throttle.... it's clueless and $$$ approach where they are even too lazy and greedy to build a proper chassis for the iMac pro....why on earth does a pro machine have to be that thin??? Ives / Cook / Angela are turning apple into a fashion company , where "pro" means price hike..
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They have not been in hardware long. They have made many mistakes though.
Also, when it comes to making claims versus reality, Apple are far worse at stretching the truth, it's got to the point words like "magical" are used.... comeon....
The worst example these days is actually iOS, the only os that gets worse and worse on older devices each generation, and apple never ever states that updating will be a poor experience , like iPhone 5 on iOS 10.... and even worse they lock you in , not allowing you to downgrade your on. It's like old windows days....without the ability to install your old os
Quite right. We have over 1000 staff in my workplace and we all are on windows. Windows 7 professional to be precise. And we all have these super cheap HP computers. You can't possibly imagine our workplace using shinny Mac computers but I am sure you get what I am trying to say to you. Quantity does not mean quality.
IBM switched a bunch of their users to Mac and reduced HelpDesk support costs on those users by about 80 percent from memory.
Don’t have the study handy but google it. It’s readily available.
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https://www.computerworld.com/artic...-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html
The hardware doesn't matter that much when the software sucks. Also, they showed Apple's 1st-gen unibody MacBook Pro in the background. Unfair.
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Yeah, I've actually seen decent stuff from other vendors. It took them long enough to make a machine thinner than a MacBook and actually somewhat decent. Up until recently, a 2007 MacBook Pro was oceans ahead of a brand-new Dell or HP laptop.
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Yeah, I've actually seen decent stuff from other vendors. It took them long enough to make a machine thinner than a MacBook and actually somewhat decent. Up until recently, a 2007 MacBook Pro was oceans ahead of a brand-new Dell or HP laptop.
Well, I am not trying, but also not a biliever just yet. So far - I’ve yet to come across any Windows notebook that would consistently run as quite as my 15” MacBook Pro (late 2013 model with Iris Pro 5200 GPU only) and now 13” MacBook Pro (2016). By being quite I mean they are completely silent 98% of the time I work on them. The same kind of tasks on Windows mashines I have tried would result in at least some weired short fan bursts.
I have not used Surface, but I know its physical size and TDP of a 4 core Intel CPU (which itself is 45 Watts) and 1060 GTX (around 80 Watts). It will be throttling even while plugged in or else on load that surface would melt. There is just that much cooling you can put into a limited size chasis.
Taking the progress in power management at Intel CPU, Nvidia GPUs, (ahem) Windows things should improve no doubt... But only tests and actual use can speak for itself at the end of the day.
I got used to silent operation of the Macbook Pro (which I do not hear at all just as a MacBook 12 with no fans in it). It is a great experience which gets you hoocked.
It would only be awesome if all notebook manufacturesrs focus more on the quality and design of the cooling systems, as well as drivers and related software optimizations in general.
Lmaaaaao. Can you please show me this 10 year old, 2007 MBP that is better than any new Dell/Hp? I am tuned in for a good laugh. And FYI PC users prefer functionality over form, all day, everyday. Ill take a bigger chassis, with a bigger battery, better cooling, with all my ports in tact, and just to add icing on top, a better processor, and gpu. Why would I spent much more money on an inferior product?
Actually, a 2003 PowerBook would be a better example. Let's see... what was introduced with the 2003, which took others such a long time to simply get close to?
1. First laptop with a 17" screen (Also, a 12" model, which made it the world's most powerful small notebook)
2. Thin... like, thinner than many 2010s non-Apple laptops
3. 5+ hour battery
4. WiFi and BT as standard
5. Full-sized, back-lit keyboard... which some non-Apple laptops still don't have
It was less costly than several far inferior laptops at the time, and its build quality still has yet to be matched by some vendors. As for the 2006/2007 MacBook Pros, those were a continuation. Thinner, lighter, and with a webcam included. No other company has a 10+ year-old laptop which could still look and feel completely current.
So again, does making a laptop thinner make it better? Sure it may be lighter, but when you remove half of the battery, and several of the ports, you then need to bring a charger and dongles. What is the main thing most users are complaining about in here when it comes to the MBP? Battery life, GPU, CPU. Now since this is about the new surface, it shouldn't weigh much more than the MBP, but it offers much more functionality and options than anything Apple has to offer, anytime soon.
Also, I'd love to see this 10 year comparison.
You confusing yourself with two very different situations. In Apple’s case the testing protocol clearly produced inconsistent results, i.e., both unreasonably high and low battery life, so if course it would have made sense to check with Apple. Had CR done so, they would have learned what was causing the anomalous results. In the case of the Surface’s very poor reliability record as reported by consumers there’s nothing to check with Microsoft; the number of problems reported with it by consumers are what they are.
At work, i run both. One natively, the other in a VM. I’d rather have the real thing, VM isn’t a great experience.
If some one uses windows more often, there’s no point in using a mac.
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The Surface Book 2 uses an i7-8650U, which is a 15W part, with 4 cores and 8 threads. The CPU is in the tablet portion, and the GPU is in the keyboard base. Both have their own separate cooling. The GTX 1060 is only used in the 15 inch model which has more room for cooling.
why nobody talk about that they did a good job by combining two devices in one.
I wish apple does same thing as well.. an iPadPro comes out from a MacBook pro. So I don't need to get two different devices.
iPad Pro 13inch starts 800 bucks + mbp touch bar 13inch starts +1800.. I could pay around 2400 something like surface2 from apple.
I wish apple does same thing as well.. an iPadPro comes out from a MacBook pro. So I don't need to get two different devices.
iPad Pro 13inch starts 800 bucks + mbp touch bar 13inch starts +1800.. I could pay around 2400 something like surface2 from apple.
Microsoft says.... iPhone will never be a success
Microsoft says.... Windows CE will be a platform of the future
Microsoft says.... Windows Mobile will be a platform of the future
Microsoft says.... Windows Phone will be a platform of the future
Microsoft says.... a lot.
Geurt says they have created a desirable machine for the Windows eco-system but will be gone in the near future.
Microsoft says.... Windows CE will be a platform of the future
Microsoft says.... Windows Mobile will be a platform of the future
Microsoft says.... Windows Phone will be a platform of the future
Microsoft says.... a lot.
Geurt says they have created a desirable machine for the Windows eco-system but will be gone in the near future.
Because the result is a clunky compromise. An iPad Pro is a better tablet, and a MacBook Pro is a better laptop.
This is a decent choice if you want the best of both worlds. But it's quite compromised. For instance, the display is (necessarily) quite heavy.
Not gonna happen…
…especially when your main argument is that you want to give them fewer revenues.
There's a killer argument for having OSX on portables in this category:
Currently they're limited to 16GB RAM.
That's easy to saturate when you have numerous apps running and so memory swaps to SSD are required.
It's only with High Sierra (64bit file system) that switching apps with memory swapping has become anything like accepatably fast.
QED MacOSX required.
Currently they're limited to 16GB RAM.
That's easy to saturate when you have numerous apps running and so memory swaps to SSD are required.
It's only with High Sierra (64bit file system) that switching apps with memory swapping has become anything like accepatably fast.
QED MacOSX required.
What?
OK, one, APFS doesn't have that much of an impact on IO performance. Two, it being 64-bit has nothing at all to do with that. Three, I haven't seen any data to suggest that APFS is significantly faster than NTFS (which, incidentally, is also 64-bit, not that this relevant).
…what.
