Windows 10 is not as bad as you would think. Rock solid in my experience, and way more customizable than MacOS.
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Microsoft Says Its New Surface Book 2 is Twice as Powerful as Latest MacBook Pro
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Windows 10 is not as bad as you would think. Rock solid in my experience, and way more customizable than MacOS.
Ow, but still running Windows? Hmm, close, but no cigar. 30 years already enough for me. I should have switched earlier, and today would have far more hair in my head 
As someone that HAS to use it for high end video and 3d work. Utterly disagree. It's a complete mess still...
Multiple UI types
Duplicate Apps for those
utterly confusing Settings / control panels with duplicate information everywhere
Notifications are terrible
The cluster fudge that is the Windows registry
UI elements from windows NT still exist. As MS can not bring themselves to Obsolete something from 1999 in case it kills some Corporate client.
Basically IF you have it set up and working. Never touch it again is my motto. Turn off auto updates apart from the MANY MANY MANY security updates. I went away for 6 weeks and came back to 120 updates...and guess what machine wouldn't boot.
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Robert X Cringely once described Windows as "the Microsoft Consultants Full Employment Program."
The $1,999 13.5" with the GTX 1050 2 GB has an i7-8650U, which is Kaby Lake Refresh, so 4 cores and 8 threads.
What are you maintaining on Windows 10 that I am not?
I run both side by side and honestly the only good thing about the Mac right now is probably Photos, Messages, Facetime, and its baked in integration with the iPhone.
Anecdotal, but I've had a couple of Mac users tell me that spending the extra money over an OSX system, but saving on maintenance, ends up being a wash in the end. Their point? Don't get either b/c they're cheaper. Don't let that be the main reason. Get the one you'd want to use.
And they are running VERY locked down custom version of windows... Probably windows 7 still infact. The fact that windows is customisable is it's biggest asset and it's worst failing. Virus's aplenty and old components.
Companies with any real idea with actually use Linux... as it's free.
This Surface Book 2 smartly targets some of the MBP's "shortcomings".
(USB 3.1 port, dedicated GPU, and an SD Card slot)
Apple could have achieved what Microsoft has done here, had they simply not given into form over function.
A few mm thicker MBP could have made all the difference.
(USB 3.1 port, dedicated GPU, and an SD Card slot)
Apple could have achieved what Microsoft has done here, had they simply not given into form over function.
A few mm thicker MBP could have made all the difference.
Yeah they should make it just in the smallest form factor, and then have the MBP be the full laptop devices.
I bet like most things apple does that they eventually build this device, despite how they keep saying they won't right now. At some point laptops will become thin enough that it becomes possible (like on this surface), and apple will have nowhere else to go.
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But it does say that that changed CR's opinion to negative on Surface. And this crowd found so much fault with CR's opinion when it was negative on one Apple product. So double negative, thus (we should be) positive on this Surface?
Personally, I'm heavily Apple myself... but I do have many friends with Wintel and none of them seem to suffer nearly as much as the cumulative sentiment of threads like this imply. When I have to fire up bootcamp or Parallels to use Windows (because some software still only runs on Windows), I had to admit that it doesn't feel nearly as bad as implied by the sentiment to me either.
AND as Apple seems to be in a mode of regularly raising prices while cutting hardware utility, it's not so hard to imagine that one can get better hardware "guts" for much less money too.
Of course, I fully expect this thread to basically run with every possible thing- real or imagined- wrong with Windows, Microsoft and anything else that is not Apple that can be associated with this product but there is a whole world not so mentally married to Apple... that seems to do just fine and prosper using non-Apple stuff.
I know. I know. For some that's probably harder to believe than just about anything else one could say or write. What percentage of the world runs on Wintel vs. Mac? Does such a large number of the world seem miserable and unable to accomplish their computing objectives? How are they surviving without Macs?
Looking at the specs for 13" MBP with dual core processor, maybe they claim twice as powerful with the 8th gen Quad core chip and better graphics card.
And Windows10 is not my bag. Even after shutting off Cortana and all the data mining bs, not a fan. I will use it to learn what I need for a job and at work, but otherwise I will stick with
for all home and creative use as long as they show the Macs and OS some love, care, better QC and decent price points going forward (yeah those wishes are inline with their mythical "pipeline.")
And Windows10 is not my bag. Even after shutting off Cortana and all the data mining bs, not a fan. I will use it to learn what I need for a job and at work, but otherwise I will stick with
for all home and creative use as long as they show the Macs and OS some love, care, better QC and decent price points going forward (yeah those wishes are inline with their mythical "pipeline.")Actually MacBook is pricier to be running year old parts and 0$ OS !
Ho Hum, with Microsoft rumored to be getting out of the hardware business all together. Is this the last big announcement? Surface products have not been reliable hardware according to many.
You must not have used OS X much then, because once you learn it, it's a hundred times easier all around. Quickly get to apps, browse, find stuff, troubleshoot, etc.
Kinda horrible like the IPhone X's animoji gap....
To all the folks saying "But it runs Windows"... how many of you have installed BootCamp to be able to run Windows applications? How many of you are even real power users? Seriously... quit the nitpicking. Each operating system has their pro's and con's. Microsoft releasing a better Surface Book is nothing but GOOD for Apple, because it creates competition. IMO, Apple needs to release a real touch screen based MacBook Pro, they can't get by with that TouchBar on the next gen release. They need to start innovating with their computers, NOT just their handheld devices.
They still haven't answered the Surface Studio, did people forget how awesome that is for artists and photographers? That product will only get better with time (Have any of you ever seen one and tried one out in person... it is a AWESOME product).
Competition is good. The Surface Book 2 being released with some current hardware and specs is good. Soon people will start saying things like "That MacBook Pro 15" was $2,500 and it doesn't have a touch screen...?"
Touch screens are not going anywhere, they are becoming a standard. My kids always try and touch our old MacBook Pro thinking it will work like the iPad. Its a thing folks. Apple needs to adapt. OSX needs to adapt and so does the hardware.
Kudos to Microsoft for making the Surface Book more powerful while keeping it the same product (the hinge, the detachable display, etc.)... shame on Apple for releasing that lame TouchBar "feature" and then charging more for it (13" lineup), acting like its a game changer. They should have made it a standard on the Pro line up across the board while keeping the pricing the same. The only good thing about it is being able to unlock the computer with your finger... is that worth the $400+ premium?
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Surface? Surface Pro? Surface Book? I understand the need for multiple model lines, but the naming schemes are getting wonky as the Iph8 and IphX/Iph10.