I think he was referring to this... Settings and Control Panel:
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Microsoft Says New Surface Pro is 1.7× Faster Than iPad Pro With 35% More Battery Life
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I think he was referring to this... Settings and Control Panel:
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Only 1.7x faster, on a latest-generation "real x86 CPU" than the iPad Pro on an 18-month-old CPU?
That is not encouraging. Imagine how much faster an A11X will be in the next update to the iPad Pro?
That is not encouraging. Imagine how much faster an A11X will be in the next update to the iPad Pro?
Good point. However, if you're going to run "legacy" Windows apps (and most Surface Pro users seem to do that eventually), you might as well buy a legacy laptop for substantially less money than a Surface Pro. In fact, you could be a very capable Windows laptop and the iPad (starting at $329) and the two devices together would still be cheaper than one Surface Pro.
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I would be happy to see an iPad version of the iPhone 7's A10 Fusion in the next iPad. Imagine the battery life of a device that can choose between an energy-efficient pair of cores and a higher-performance pair of cores.
1. agreed - but it can also do a crapload more then the blown up iPhone all iPads still are.
2. About once or twice a day. And it does NOT come with a keyboard. That one costs extra. And now the pen also costs extra. An i5 Surface Pro (8gb / 256gb SSD) with a keyboard (which doesn't ship until a month after the preorder of the actual device) and the pen now costs about 1750$ here in Switzerland. That's about 650$ more than the previous version. Yeah, not going to happen
3. Depends on what you do with it. Mine lasts about 8-9 hours on a charge running multiple instances of MS Office, OneNote and usually some PDF annotation tool in the background. So yeah, that around an hour less than what I got out of my previous 12.9" iPad Pro, but unlike with the latter, I can actually get stuff done on the Surface Pro 4.
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Considering the continuously declining sales figures for all iPad models, I doubt Microsoft is too worried / desperate. Also, they may have released that statement, but the Surface Pro is very much a laptop-first device and in runs circles around the iPad (Pro) in pretty much every department except for playing touch-enabled games. They're not aiming this at iPad users - they're aiming it at Macbook and Macbook Pro users (at least the 13" model) as they offer similar performance (than the 13 MBP, and drastically better than the Macbook) but in a lighter package and with more versatile features.
I've been a Mac User for 22 years but since I've had my Surface Pro 4, my 15" tMBP gets no usage and is about to be put on the block. Also, I LOVE Windows 10. Yeah, I said it. And I bet that 99.9% of the people dissing Windows 10 here have never used it for more than 10 seconds in a store.
And I can use Office , Run OneNote and annotate PDFs on my iPad. So if that is your measure of "getting stuff done", you should be able,to do it on an iPad as well. Easy, I do it myself.1. agreed - but it can also do a crapload more then the blown up iPhone all iPads still are.
2. About once or twice a day. And it does NOT come with a keyboard. That one costs extra. And now the pen also costs extra. An i5 Surface Pro (8gb / 256gb SSD) with a keyboard (which doesn't ship until a month after the preorder of the actual device) and the pen now costs about 1750$ here in Switzerland. That's about 650$ more than the previous version. Yeah, not going to happen
3. Depends on what you do with it. Mine lasts about 8-9 hours on a charge running multiple instances of MS Office, OneNote and usually some PDF annotation tool in the background. So yeah, that around an hour less than what I got out of my previous 12.9" iPad Pro, but unlike with the latter, I can actually get stuff done on the Surface Pro 4.
Same here, plus I use OmniGraffle instead of Microsoft Visio and it works better for me. In addition, the iPad Pro is thinner and lighter for meetings.
We are aware that iPad sales are decreasing, but so did Surface sales. In the case of the iPad, the mini is the culprit. Meanwhile the average selling price of iPads is increasing because of the popularity of the more pricey Pros.
And considering that Apple is sitting on $250 billion in cash and might become the first company in history with a $1 trillion market cap, I don't think they are worried about ANYTHING Microsoft does. If they did, they would have added at least some rudimentary touch capabilities to Macs by now.
I thought by now we'd start seeing convergence between tablets and laptops. We are, but only from from Microsoft.
I think Apple is tripping over its bottom line here.
I think Apple is tripping over its bottom line here.
It's good that MS is making interesting HW. Competition is a good thing because Apple has been napping at the wheels as far as Macs are concerned.
What is surprising is both are missing the mark with consumers as far as USB ports are concerned. MacBook Pro went all in with USB-C and Surfaces didn't go there at all.
Did they miss the point that consumers want practicality of current ports AND also future proofing in USB-C? We are in transitional times and as a smart consumer I want both if buying a laptop today.
ex Mac laptop user for some 10 years here, made the jump from OSX to Windows late last year and I miss very little apart from iMessage integration. I went with the Dell XPS13 as the current gen SPs didn't inspire me. Think I'll be getting an i7 (primarily for the Iris plus graphics, that's pretty capable for a hybrid and don't think anyone else is doing that) and ditching my 9.7" iPad pro at the same time which gets very little use these days.
To me it looks like MS have cracked the hardware lately, at a price of course, but like everyone here I don't mind paying a premium for something nice.
To me it looks like MS have cracked the hardware lately, at a price of course, but like everyone here I don't mind paying a premium for something nice.
Any post about Microsoft get more comments and attention that any or most of posts about Apple... combined in some cases.
I was thinking on getting an iPad Pro, but now I want the new Surface Pro. After using macOS and Windows 7 and 10 for a long time, I can't find a reason anymore to dislike Windows. I believe the UI will look much better with the new Fluent Design System, I bet even Procreate will come to Windows eventually.
I was thinking on getting an iPad Pro, but now I want the new Surface Pro. After using macOS and Windows 7 and 10 for a long time, I can't find a reason anymore to dislike Windows. I believe the UI will look much better with the new Fluent Design System, I bet even Procreate will come to Windows eventually.
If Apple could run iOS and OSX on one device would you think it revolutionary ?
I have iPhone, Macbook Pro, iPads, iPod etc, I also use windows, remember when all the scorn was being poured on large Android phones, how stupid people looked with their huge phones, until Apple joined them and then it was wonderful.
Really guys, everything the competition to Apple does benefits Apple customers when they strive to keep up, I wish the iPad had the same capability as a Surface Pro don't you ?
I want Microsoft to keep pushing Apple all the way, because we all benefit.
Precisely how I feel about it. If I wanted to run Windows10, or any flavor of Windows really, I'd buy this gorgeous tablet in a heartbeat. Kudos to MS and Satya Nadella at any rate, for creating this sleek, powerful tablet.
Well said. However, even before an apple mobile device becomes able to run macOS, the macOS itself should be modified to be able to work on touch devices. It falls far behind windows on this matter.
Consider that the iPad is running a watered-down dummy OS without true multi-thread and simple touch interface and it becomes even more incredible for these new surface devices. Plus you can actually do something productive/useful on a surface.
So you're saying that the iPad can only cater to certain amount of people when it comes to effective work? Good, i'm glad you totally agree with me.
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You can't even look at files and folders normally on iPad "pro" like you can on Surface. It's just hilarious.
That's the main reason I'd want one - to be able to edit using a pen in LR or PS. I just know if I get one I'll need a second larger laptop for VM's.
Well, it depends. iPad runs Office, but not the same Office as Windows does. Windows Office has far more features. In addition, you can benefit from the multitask of Windows when using OneNote and PDF annotation tools.
So, while you can also do these tasks in an iPad, generally speaking, you can do them at another level with Windows. Of course it depends on your needs.
I am not so sure. Apple is a company worth more than USD 700 million, but its reliance on just one product (the iPhone) is growing year after year following iPad's decline in sales. This is dangerous for their business model
UI and apps optimised for a touch screen interface. As opposed to one that really only works with a keyboard and mouse.
Agreed, While I do enjoy OS X's UX I find that I'm more efficient and productive in windows. This isn't just because Win10 is better but rather the apps and services are more robust.
I'm also impressed with windows 10 stability, and performance.
As for the new Surface Pro, as I mentioned it looks like a solid update and as a prior owner I think MS is on the right path for these machines. I find them more useful, powerful, and extensible then my iPad.