The entire industry needs to kill this hybrid tablet-laptop BS and just go back to making solid products. That includes the 12.9 iPad Pro and Microsoft Surface.
Whats next, combining a toaster and refrigerator and selling it to consumers?
Completely disagree with you. Why should I need to buy three $1,000+ devices to haul around with me (smartphone, tablet, and laptop). Have you traveled much? What I don't get is the 2in1 devices with a 360 degree hinge. They are way to heavy to hold as you would an iPad for tablet use, but the Surface Pro is very hand holdable when the keyboard is removed. You also can use it during take off and landing on planes (for now). I travel quite a bit and really love this category device. Give me this and a smartphone and I'm good for everything.
IKR? I don't know a single person who owns a Surface, yet I and everyone owns 1 to several iPads, Macs and iPhones! Meow!
I have several iPads that are in a pile on a shelf. They are big versions of my phone. When I went to the iPhone plus, that eliminated the need for me to haul around an iPad. The Surface Pro completes the picture so that if I really want a larger tablet experience I have it, and its lighter than the laptop I would otherwise haul as well. Perfect form factor for me.
Keyboard is still not included and they are even selling the pen separately for a higher price.
And 4G/128SSD for a base model is just tiny for any sort of task--similar to where 16G iPhones stand nowadays, except that they're not being sold anymore.
The reason they removed the pen from the box is because the pens are now colored like the keyboard. They had a choice. Do something stupid like Apple did with the watches and bundle a few combinations meaning to get what you want you have to potentially buy a watch band you don't want. Or, separate them so you can put together the combination you want. I believe they priced it down from the original Surface Pro 4 price accordingly. I'd rather they unbundle than make me pick a keyboard/pen color I don't want if I get an i5 vs. an i7.
Windows 10 is NOT stable.
This is ridiculous. I use it every day. Most of our company (tens of thousands of people) are on Windows 10. Windows 10 is pretty good and I like where they are going with it. In contrast, Apple continues to not do much interesting (to me) with MacOS, and what they are doing is in a walled garden that only works with Apple stuff. Microsoft is opening up to support an open collection of devices.
yes, the only "professional users" are those "rendering motion graphics in adobe after effects" .... or thats a far far less than 1% of users.
the delusion involved in convincing yourself that people using after effects on a tablet is even remotely a segment that needs addressed is mind boggling.
the ipad pro is exactly what it wants to be, a high end tablet that can do 99.9% of desktop tasks 99.9% of the world population need it to.
and frankly, if im going to be "RENDERING MOTION GRAPHICS IN ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS" id be more confotable on a macbook than a tablet. both cost the same. both weigh the same, the surface pro weighs double the ipad air 2 and 33% more than the ipad pro..
"man i wish my tablet weighed as much as a notebook so i could render motion graphics in adobe after effects." - no one.
There is no way that an iPad can do 99.9% of the tasks that 99.9% of the world does. Most of the business world lives on Windows and uses business applications. While an iPad can open a spreadsheet, I would shoot myself if I had to use it to do any complex work like pivot tables, macros, etc... There are also plenty of other products, Microsoft Project for example, that are used in the business world that won't work on an iPad. And I frequently need to have several different applications open to work on a project and move information around. Again, the hokey multitasking of iOS is not up to the task.
The iPad can do the light email checking and opening documents on the road, but I would never travel on a business trip without a real computer. So if I had an iPad, I'm hauling three $1,000+ devices. With the Surface Pro, I have my desktop computer and my tablet covered in one device.
And its not just business. I am a photographer and heavily use Lightroom. With an iPad, I again get a scaled down version of it. With the Surface Pro I can use the full blown Lightroom on the road. I can take the card from my camera, insert it into the Surface Pro, and begin working directly in Lightroom. When I get to the house and dock, I can continue with the 4K display and not miss a beat.
Correct. Microsoft actually deliberately calls it a laptop in their marketing. The word tablet is not anywhere. But they compare it to an iPad. What they should be doing is comparing it to both the rMB or MBA or 13" MBP simultaneously with an iPad. This is what the market would relate to. Much cheaper than having a laptop & tablet combo, but just as capable. Not that I agree, but that's the angle they should be taking...
There reality is Microsoft doesn't know what to compare it to because Apple has no comparable product. Apple would have to compare an iPad and MBP together to it. So add the price and weight of them together and compare that! Apple refuses to allow touch on a real full function computer, so they will continue to not have a comparable product.
When are Surface's gonna realize its 2017 and come with 8GB RAM and 256 storage MINIMUM??
4 GB of RAM is good for iOS, not Windows
That's simply not true. It depends on what you are doing, but many people work just fine with 4G and 128G in Windows.
