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I have no doubt this new one will be horribly slow also if someone tries to do actual productive tasks on it.

Yeah, that was basically the problem with my old one. It also only had 8GB RAM and it just crawled. If you only ever do very basic tasks like sending email or a word document, probably fine but try to do more and it wasn't good enough. Even Outlook sometimes would crawl.

Eventually the battery started to go so that was the exit strategy to get it replaced. :D

ol $2 per day? That’s negligible especially when considering productivity apps that one uses to make money/for work.

And the productivity apps don’t work better on a Mac Studio, at least the ones I use. At least until Apple lets us add discrete graphics cards to pro desktop machines (I wish). You can check all sorts of benchmarks on how windows machines with the 4090 utterly destroy Mac silicon in graphics performance.

$2 per day is slightly less than the cost of my morning coffee (and I drink lots of coffee per day) so I don't think I'm going to care about that cost. ;) The desktop I use all the time, I can just load it up with everything and just keep throwing more and more at it and it never complains. It just chews through everything like it is nothing. If I need to do something in Windows, I just choose the startup drive in settings, hit the button and shortly after I have native Windows 11 Pro for Workstations which also runs at lightning speed.
 
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Still waiting Adobe and all other Software developers to launch their main apps in ARM64 compatible version. Right now we use InDesign + Illustrator 100% of our work time, so impossible to migrate to these new computers if there is no way to use "normal" apps, then no way for me to ever consider any of these new but not so cheap computers.
Looks like you’re in luck then.

 
While Microsoft may not compete much with Apple directly, their partners such as Dell, HP, and ASUS do.
In my experience people first choose the operating system for their preference and the software they need and then look at suitable computers. Or how many people are like "just gimme a nice machine, who cares what it's running"?
 
I have no doubt this new one will be horribly slow also if someone tries to do actual productive tasks on it.

This to me is an overpowered netbook.

These are a totally new class of CPU. Gerard Williams III and his team who jumped over to Qualcomm from Apple Silicon to develop these new chips (through Qualcomm purchasing Nuvia in 2021) was instrumental to Apple Silicon development, him leaving has lead to Apple Silicon “brain drain” and meaning M chip updates are less and less impressive every time;

“Williams was described as critical to the development of the high-performance A-series and M-series Apple Silicon chips. He left Apple to start a server chip start-up Nuvia. Apple accused him of poaching colleagues for the start-up whilst he was still under Apple’s employ. Lawsuit proceedings began in 2019.

Nuvia was acquired by Qualcomm in 2021. Late last year, The Information cited Nuvia as one reason for a “brain drain” in the Apple silicon engineering group.”
 
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What do you think will happen when Apple releases M4Pro/Max MBPs?

Yep right, they gonna show cherry picked benchmarks against soon to be replaced 1 tier lower Intel or Qualcomm chips.

I don't care as long as I don't have too touch all that co pilot spyware nonsense, and if Apple pulls a hard one on AI too it might actually be the year of the Linux desktop (30th attempt is the charm).
Yes, everyone likes to cherry pick, but a fan-less older generation, against an actively cooled CPU, instead of a newer generation M4 that is available for sale, then they are going out of their way!
 
Looks like you’re in luck then.


That's actually interesting... I wonder if that will be announced for iPads too then at WDC?
 
Apple is very good at cherrypicking benchmarketing too, especially with the Mac Pro 2023 while conveniently ignoring metrics where it isn’t quite so good.

They all do it… not much you can do but don’t buy things right away until real world testing has been done. Let someone else find out if it works well or not. ;)

Regardless, I won’t be adopting a Surface Laptop. Many years with one is enough - not another one. It was horribly slow.
This time they say it's different. New software, faster CPU's, better battery life, and AI. But a fan-less older generation CPU, against an actively cooled CPU's, instead of a newer generation M4 that is available for sale, then they are going out of their way!
 
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Apple really needs to bring macos to iPad. What’s the point of Magic Keyboard for what is an oversized phone?

And even if they did it tomorrow it would still be years behind competition in this aspect. You connect the keyboard - system changes to macOS. it should be that easy.
 
What MS doesn't seem to be able to understand, even after a few decades, is some statistical superiority is not what makes the difference. Almost no one is switching platforms because their battery lasts a little longer or the processor is a little faster. No one produces the whole package like Apple despite their faults and tendency to be bullies.
 
Will Windows 12 become the last Windows 10?

Have seen all sorts of balmerish promos and claims by Microsoft over the years and it's just as impressive as always. The point with these claims isn't to present facts, the point is to plant the illusion into people's heads.

Microsoft managed to get "the backends" a.o. within public sectors and successfully used that to get the end users. There's been 2 cases where I had to use Windows the last decade, and both were due to being locked up by public sector organisations.

Now, Microsoft had 2 great products with excellent potential, Windows Phone and tablets with "tiles", and there are 2 reasons for that epic failure.

1: Windows is incredibly messy under the surface (not clean and tidy as "*nix")
2: They released the same UX on desktop/laptops where the UX was more or less a laugh.

You HAVE to adapt the UX to the form factor. Most people got their "Tile" introduction on laptops/desktops where it didn't work, and as a consequence they (we) wrote it off for the form factors it actually did work excellently without every having used the UX on those form factors. Epic mistake by Microsoft. Epic.

I did follow the launch and marketing of the phones closely, and I frequently read success stories from various places. When I checked the digits, it was all bull. What they did was running strategic campaigns (great discounts) in an area, got some nice stats, and presented it as an universal success. For instance, they used carriers, and they got #1 for a specific month or 3. But at that time, people didn't buy their phones from that carrier. The carriers in total had perhaps 10-15% of the market, and the carrier in question had perhaps 4-5% of the total. They could get that #1 slot dirt cheap and the figs wasn't representative at all. Then the promoted the "great results" from one minor retailer/carrier in a minor market internationally and presented it as a HUGE success. Eventually the reality caught up with the lies, and they shut it down. But the product was actually great and had even better potential.

One can always discuss iPad OS and how great or not it is, but the minute Apple listens to a few loud voices and shifts to MacOS (UX) for iPads it will turn obsolete.

When I read these success stories - hardware performance this time around - I wait. And more often than not, it turns out to be intel figs. Twisted and massaged that is.

And if they aren't (this time), I couldn't care less. The last "thing" I purchased was a Samsung tablet for a kid one month ago. Being well aware that the better option would be an entry point iPad. A while since I purchased Android, and boy, isn't that a massacre of privacy nothing is. I'll never purchase Android again. No illusions about digital privacy whatsoever, but Apple is less bad than the others. Not good. Less bad.

I don't purchase Macs, iPhones or iPads as part of a competition, I purchase it because I had solid experience with all sorts of *NIX, Linux, Microsoft and Android products since MsDOS. I couldn't care less about what Google or Microsoft do with their hardware or software solutions. Linux? I'd be happy to revisit (still got Arch on a Thinkpad) when desktop distributions decides to clean up their act and stick to 1 desktop environment, (e.g. pure Gnome with GTK or pure KDE/Qt) and starts optimising the kernel and subsystems for desktop specific hardware only. The huge kitchen sink mistake. Can't be bothered.

Costs? My annual ownership costs for Apple hardware are low. If it is a factor, it's a positive one. I save money by it.
 
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That's actually interesting... I wonder if that will be announced for iPads too then at WDC?
With any luck. Such a PITA having to remote into my PC to use the actual Adobe apps instead of using the current abomination of a cutdown version via iPadOS on my allegedly pro iPad Pro!

Just put the full damn Photoshop on iPad Pro already ffs.
 
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A 15” HDR2 touch screen Surface laptop with 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 22 hours battery life is $1299. A 13” OLED iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 10 hours battery life is $1,648. I think Apple may be seriously challenged here. Especially iPad.
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The iPad has a much superior touchscreen and stylus experience, while writing anything on a Surface seems like a joke
 
I'd be curious to know if those MS benchmarks are with the device plugged in or not. I know Intel laptops when plugged in can outperform an M-series laptop, but that comes with huge amounts of heat generated, noisy fans running and massive power draw. The moment you unplug the Intel machine it can't hope to match the M-series chip.

Obviously this is a new Qualcomm ARM part and not Intel, but I'd be interested in knowing if it has any active cooling or capable of higher performance when plugged in, thus "cheating" a bit when it comes to representing the performance of a portable device.
 
Well this looks awful...doens't seem to register pen presses half the time.
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You see what the AI was doing though? That’s absolutely insane taking a kids drawing and interpreting/converting it into a photorealistic image.

Crushing creators, you might say. How ironic.
 
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Just like in the 90's, Apple was 5 years ahead and then spent the next 5 years chasing failed projects like Apple TV+, Apple Vision Pro, etc., and let the competition catch up. History repeats itself.
Well I love my AppleTV. Sorry you don’t
 
Windows on a touchscreen device is just useless. (I know I own a Surface Pro) Then you need to buy a keyboard, and with the low storage and large filesize of a base Windows install (compared to iPadOS) you'd better absolutely always buy an iPad.

This is also why I do not want MacOS on iPad. Ever.

I agree. I wonder if there is a happy medium. The main difference now is the menu bar and Finder.

They could easily change the Menu bar to a Touch friendly interface. Without developers having t do anything. Pop up with two / there finger tap or pen squeeze / tap - File / Edit View etc appears where you tap with large fat finger friendly buttons.
 
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I wish Apple had designed in a storage for the pen like the Surface. I feel as though they could have fitted it into keyboard case hinge on the right ( and have it charge there too ).
 
I agree. I wonder if there is a happy medium. The main difference now is the menu bar and Finder.

They could easily change the Menu bar to a Touch friendly interface. Without developers having t do anything. Pop up with two / there finger tap or pen squeeze / tap - File / Edit View etc appears where you tap with large fat finger friendly buttons.

I already wrote in that topic that I would love to see Apple improve iPadOS. And maybe even add macOS virtualisation to it (so you can run mac apps on iPad, but as an iPadOS app - like how macOS already can run iPad/iOS apps) and improve the files app. (eject, easy copy/paste, tabs, etc)
 

I never have any problem with copying. I mean Apple does their copying as well. Taking other ideas and refine on it.

The only problem at the time, was that Microsoft often copy something and make it MUCH worse.

A 15” HDR2 touch screen Surface laptop with 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 22 hours battery life is $1299. A 13” OLED iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 10 hours battery life is $1,648. I think Apple may be seriously challenged here. Especially iPad.
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I am waiting for full review. But previous surface was already great, and they are iterating on it again. Keyboard, Trackpad, Ports, Screens, and Keyboard that is refined with much key distances again. In some ways this could even be better than MacBook. Cant wait to see its review.
 
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