I love the Surface Pro hardware. Apple just needs to make Mac OS X/Macs touch screen capable. There are already iPad apps in the Mac app store. Just do it already. Yeah starting at 2k at the least probably, but put it out there.
Depends on what you're using, I have HP Z2 small form factor Xeon / Quadro combo and the only way to hear the fans would be to put your ear down in front of the computer. So for me it's silent.Throttling is not based on whether there is a fan or not, but on whether the cooling is adequate for the amount of watts the processor is using. It’s totally possible to have a fanless design that doesn’t throttle, and one with a fan that does. If the fanless design has higher performance per watt, you might still have higher performance before throttling in the fanless one.
All theoretical of course, but so was your statement.
Fact is, I do hear the fans in my Windows PC. Stop telling me it’s “quiet”, it’s not.
Edit: For the record, I’m totally going to yell at my IT department (who don’t want to support Macs) to get me an ARM Windows PC for work ASAP. It’s great for the Windows segment that they can finally enjoy (some of) the spoils of Apple Silicon Macs.
I just saw Gary explain M4. It’s new design on ARM v9 with higher performance per GHz then previous M chips.Sadly Apple wasted their opportunity by releasing the same processor four times in a row and spent their research budget on failed projects.
I've seen/heard/witnessed coworkers and customers have inconvenient Windows updates at least 10x more than macOS.Happens on both platforms if you don't adjust the auto update settings right.
Be careful with the ISA’s. M4 “may” be adherent to the v9 ISA, but it’s not just an Arm designed chip.I just saw Gary explain M4. It’s new design on ARM v9 with higher performance per GHz then previous M chips.
"I should use Windows from time to time." - is an uninformed, condescending comment.This is very old outdated info, you should use Windows from time to time.
You can set the hours when updates should be installed, you can turn off automatic updates(it will updated only when you manually search for it), also Windows was optimized to not install updates when you are doing something on the computer.
Also in corporate environments this was never a problem for Windows as you can't updates freely anyway.
Sysadmin here.I've seen/heard/witnessed coworkers and customers have inconvenient Windows updates at least 10x more than macOS.
And even so, you can punt macOS updates yet still be (more) okay than Windows.
Apple did make a games console 😅Unfortunately apple hasn't REALLY been competing on the top end, just performance per watt. The GPU side apple has seeded to Nvidia and even Radeon. TBH I almost wish apple would build a gaming console that's focused on not just graphics but advanced AI to play against/with and just use that to catapult their GPU/Compute chips. That's a big area apple is behind in. Then again most of those more powerful cpus are for severe and I'm glad apple is focused on users/small studios.
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Macs have been impossible to upgrade internally for some time, and since the ARM switch even external upgrade capability is reduced. I bought an external TB3 GPU 6 years ago figuring that was the way to keep my Mac running a decent graphics card, even stuck with AMD due to lack of Nvidia support, and then Apple ditched support entirely and my M1 Mac Mini can't use it at all. Biggest advantage for anyone who likes to tinker is the upgradeability and modularity of a PC, which Apple no longer caters to, in any of their current models. (Intel Mac Pro I don't consider current by any means!) Unfortunately that means Apple limited their market to those who don't ever want to upgrade anything but would prefer to just replace the computer when it's obsolete/underpowered.First off, I know this article is about iPad versus a Surface laptop, but I am seriously thinking about the Surface laptop because of the following experiences. Curious if anyone else had graduated to the "Dark Side"?
Having used Macs solely since 2006, about 17 years, I decided to build a gaming PC. Full blown setup with an i9-14900K, RTX 4090 graphics card, 64gb RAM, liquid cooling, and Windows 11 Home...yada yada yada.
The PC was built for $3700 and the Mac Studio Ultra I bought at $4000. Pretty comparative pricing between the 2 and in my sweet spot financially for a desktop. And yes, if I would just shop for the same PC from a company online, delivered it would cost probably around $4600-$4700.
I built it mainly for VR gaming and wanted to see how it compared to my Mac Studio Ultra M2 in apps like LightRoom, Adobe Premier Pro 2024, and Photoshop.
At this point I don't even turn the Mac on anymore and am thinking of selling it. The PC has far exceeded what I thought it would do with all aspects of my computer use, gaming and productivity. I'll stay in the Apple ecosystem with an iPad Pro and an iPhone.
NEVER thought I would touch a Windows PC in my home again but my mind has changed after 17 years which before that I was building gaming PC's.
So yes, the performance gap between Windows and Mac has always been a he said/she said kind of relationship depending on what exactly you were comparing between the two. Trying two head-to-head 2 different architectures is a little tricky.
But I have to tell you in the end, my PC "just works".
Very interesting take.Sysadmin here.
I’ve always had a conspiratorial take that MS forces updates that are pending on users by breaking functionality until the update is applied.
EVERY time the search function in the taskbar or the windows button/key becomes nonfunctional, there’s an update pending reboot.
"Stole" may have been a strong word, but they definitely COPIED it and didn't come up with the ideas themselves (which was what the meme I originally replied to was accusing Microsoft of)
One caveat that I hadn't seen mentioned in Microsoft's presentation or in other coverage of the announcement, though: Microsoft says that both of these devices have fans. Apple still uses fans for the MacBook Pro lineup, but the MacBook Air is totally fanless. Bear that in mind when reading Microsoft's claims about performance.
I agree, the main importance for majority of PC users is it supports there existing x86 based software, something Apple users didn't have to be concerned about as Apple perfected a solution way back when they transitioned to intel from PowerPC, and intel to AppleSilicon, ignorants is bliss for Mac users.well, competition is a good thing, but the "average" customer doesn't care about cinebencz benchmarks.
More interesting, they either sell online, or like at Best Buy right next to any x86 Windows computer, so that will be their main "competition"... and it's running WinARM, so no x86 compatibility, which might not matter to non-enterprise users
You not, me yes. Perhaps others too.lol that Microsoft really thinks I’m buying Mac because the hardware.
You have to add the ridiculously expansive "magic" keyboard on top!A 15” HDR2 touch screen Surface laptop with 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 22 hours battery life is $1299. A 13” OLED iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 10 hours battery life is $1,648. I think Apple may be seriously challenged here. Especially iPad.
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The original idea came from Douglas Engelbart, in mother of all demosFunny because Jobs and Wozniak stole their original Mac ideas and the concept of a mouse from Xerox...
I tell everyone that has a Windows computer... if your computer was working fine a moment ago and suddenly it goes completely wonky... check to see if Windows has an update it wants to do. I swear... if you DO NOT keep Windows 110% happy at ALL times, it WILL makes your life... A LIVING HELL!!! But, hey... wanna play in Microsoft's sandbox? Gotta play by their rules. Same with Apple. 😁Sysadmin here.
I’ve always had a conspiratorial take that MS forces updates that are pending on users by breaking functionality until the update is applied.
EVERY time the search function in the taskbar or the windows button/key becomes nonfunctional, there’s an update pending reboot.
Now if I could only convince my managers that idgaf, let me FORCE machines to reboot at least twice a month, that wouldn’t be a problem.
This has been a consistent “bug” since W10 1903 and W11 still behaves the same way….
Apple started doing the fat binary long before that, when they transitioned from 68xxx to PPC. Only issue is when they switch, they never look back. You can always expect fat/universal binaries for a few years, followed by dropping support for the old platform altogether. MS usually takes the approach of supporting backwards compatibility, and I expect there to continue to be both ARM and Intel PCs for the foreseeable future. It's an interesting shift, honestly. Closest thing MS had before was the switch from DOS based Win 95/98 to NT based XP, which was somewhat comparable to Apple's OS 9 to OS X switch, where they also used fat binaries for some programs to run in either OS remember correctly. Interestingly, MS only maintained some degree of DOS support in that switch--you have to run an emulator like DOSBOX to run DOS programs today.I agree, the main importance for majority of PC users is it supports there existing x86 based software, something Apple perfected way back when they transitioned to intel from PowerPC, and intel to AppleSilicon, ignorants is bliss for Mac users.
"Basically"? as in the sense that it doesn't have a keyboard, then yes. But they are still comparing it to a cheapest laptop Apple makes. They could compare it to the Pro Tablet that Apple just released with the M4, I'm curious to see how it stacks up. It'll be the same processor they put in their MacBook Air this year, and then it'll be Table to Tablet comparison against devices released the same year.Surface Pro is basically a tablet.
Unfortunately this time Microsoft is ONLY late to the party, but the original engineers of Apple Silicon for PCs works at Qualcomm after leaving Apple being discouraged and started Nuvia which was absorbed by Qualcomm.