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I'm sure it's been said here but I think this is funny; MS's Pro is faster than Apple's Air... does MS not realize that the Air is Apple's consumer line and not the...Pro line?
 
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The biggest takeaway of the new Surface for me is they are pitching this against the Macbook Air which is a more expensive computer, but base memory in all these new machines Microsoft launched is 16GB. Apple is going to have to move up to 16GB RAM in Air to win the comparison test in the box stores. They have no choice now.
They have a choice for as long as Apple’s the only company that ships computers with macOS on them. For anyone that doesn’t want macOS, they can get a computer with 16GB!
 
I'm sure it's been said here but I think this is funny; MS's Pro is faster than Apple's Air... does MS not realize that the Air is Apple's consumer line and not the...Pro line?
I thought the Surface Pro was Microsoft’s competitor to the iPad not the MacBook Pro (or Air).
 
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Apple makes about 50% of their money from cell phones, not 90%. And they don't use The M2 ultra chips in cell phones. It is fair to point out that you can't use an AMD or Nvidia GPU with Apple's desktops though.

Don't kid yourself, Apple makes 100% of its money from the iPhone directly or indirectly. You might point out wearables like the airpods, apple watch etc but those are just obvious extensions of the iPhone. You could point out the iPad but who buys an iPad without an iPhone? There's Mac but it still only accounts for a very small percentage of overall Apple revenue and is increasingly tied to the iPhone ecosystem. The only Apple division that has seen serious growth in the past few years is Apple services. While you might think Apple TV, Music, News or games I'd wager the real money comes from the App Store. 3rd Party subscriptions and a 30% cut on every app sale. iCloud also is a big earner and with the free storage size staying the same and the default photo resolution now 24mp Apple is sure to see more iCloud growth. (Its no accident that imessage pics are always stored on the phone & that they are difficult to bulk delete). Apple's also expects to grow its revenue with its new buy now pay later scheme. Still, all of these services are compleatly dependant on one product (iPhone) without which everything else just falls apart. So yes, Apple makes 100% of its revenue from the iPhone.
 
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And M4 is around the corner and then another Snapdragon around the corner and then an Intel
and then another AMD and they all beat each other for a moment in time then get passed up again in time.
TLDR. Mines bigger!
 
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Even if Windows 11 isn't great, at least it supports full featured general computing in whichever input mode the user wants to use.
arm windows is not the same x86 win11...it lacks legacy...so no, check surface pro x...we have been here before
so tablet with limited or underpowered desktop UI...is still garbage
 
Yes a clean Windows install runs great but wait 4 weeks and a few installs and it drains down to drag. The problem has never been with ARM, the problem has always been with Windows as an OS
 
PC's have always been marketed against Macs by showing more impressive paper specs. This has been going on through various generations of architectures and is still happening today. The reality is that most of Apple's customers (excluding the ones in this forum) couldn't care less about Geekbench or clock speeds. If Snapdragon X is legit that's great but Qualcomm's competition is within the Windows market not macOS. Apple's HW is in a good place today and continuous refinements won''t drive market share increases. It's the SW that needs to make more progress.
 
You got MY attention Microsoft! Can you load up the demo project for Final Cut Pro and let me know how fast that renders?

Oh, still only Windows?

Then, how does this comparison help anyone? Exactly? How much faster are you than your real competition, Intel or AMD? Oh, and how compatible, that would also be important. Unless those comparisons would not show you in a good light, of course. :)
If FCP is not running on these machines, whose fault would that be? Davinci Resolve runs on both and so does CapCut. It looks like they could do some nifty things that they could do on these machines using the NPUs. Shame they did not live stream the event. We will have to wait for reviews to get to know these features, unfortunately.
 
All of that is in vain when it runs Windows.
Most users have never run a MacOS system. The world will live on, I guess, in spite of that. This is an issue for MacOS users only. At least they will have superior windows management, file management, and so on.
 
Honestly I hope it is true to finally light a fire under Apple and the stagnant iPad platform. Hardware is incredible, but software is just so limiting.
Well, I’d say the biggest advantage of the iPad over the Surface is software, not hardware - it’s easier to match the iPad’s hardware than creating something to compete with iPadOS from scratch.
 
Don't kid yourself, Apple makes 100% of its money from the iPhone directly or indirectly. You might point out wearables like the airpods, apple watch etc but those are just obvious extensions of the iPhone. You could point out the iPad but who buys an iPad without an iPhone? There's Mac but it still only accounts for a very small percentage of overall Apple revenue and is increasingly tied to the iPhone ecosystem. The only Apple division that has seen serious growth in the past few years is Apple services. While you might think Apple TV, Music, News or games I'd wager the real money comes from the App Store. 3rd Party subscriptions and a 30% cut on every app sale. iCloud also is a big earner and with the free storage size staying the same and the default photo resolution now 24mp Apple is sure to see more iCloud growth. (Its no accident that imessage pics are always stored on the phone & that they are difficult to bulk delete). Apple's also expects to grow its revenue with its new buy now pay later scheme. Still, all of these services are compleatly dependant on one product (iPhone) without which everything else just falls apart. So yes, Apple makes 100% of its revenue from the iPhone.
Well said. Frankly the Mac line is just a repurposing of their mobile divisions efforts too.
 
Well, I’d say the biggest advantage of the iPad over the Surface is software, not hardware - it’s easier to match the iPad’s hardware than creating something to compete with iPadOS from scratch.
That is not true. Imagine Apple made the iPad open and you could install any OS you wanted. People would be jumping ship from iPad OS immediately.

That's why it is locked, they know it is the weakness. The OS is the weakness, the hardware is the strength.
 
If FCP is not running on these machines, whose fault would that be? Davinci Resolve runs on both and so does CapCut. It looks like they could do some nifty things that they could do on these machines using the NPUs. Shame they did not live stream the event. We will have to wait for reviews to get to know these features, unfortunately.
Exactly, the guy saying "FCP only runs on Mac OS so you can't compare" is hilarious. I guess we can't compare Nintendo to Sony to Microsoft, if they have at least ONE exclusive game. As if there are not alternatives you can use or play on each system.
 
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A 15” HDR2 touch screen Surface laptop with 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 22 hours battery life is $1299. A 13” OLED iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD and 10 hours battery life is $1,648. I think Apple may be seriously challenged here. Especially iPad.
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How does the Surface perform once you ripped off the keyboard?
 
Yes a clean Windows install runs great but wait 4 weeks and a few installs and it drains down to drag. The problem has never been with ARM, the problem has always been with Windows as an OS
My Windows 11 machine works great for at least a year. I reinstall once a year intentionally and I've never had any issues. I do the same thing with Mac OS.
 
arm windows is not the same x86 win11...it lacks legacy...so no, check surface pro x...we have been here before
so tablet with limited or underpowered desktop UI...is still garbage
ARM Windows has PRISM so has perhaps a larger legacy than MacOS. My main problem with my Macbook is all the stuff I bought 5-10 years ago doesn't work.
 
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