I’d bet basically no one (<0.01%) would leave iPadOS. People buy iPads (a lot of iPads, way more than Macs, way more than the Surface) knowing what iPadOS is, and they seem to be very happy with them.
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Microsoft Says New Surface Pro is Faster Than 15" M3 MacBook Air
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They had something like prism 3 years ago..garbage
So until i use it, I remain skeptical
Im very confused that a lot of people still believe in qual microsoft charts and marketing after so many lies and tries
Hope this will be the last one, but in the good way and this is the real start
I hear windows 12 might be a significant improvement over … every other version.
Well if ARM windows becomes the norm one day, then that will mean ARM version of games will become the norm, which should make porting them all to Mac easier, I mean maybe I wouldn't know. Like the brief period where Macs ran on Intel and you could boot into Windows on your Mac to play all the games. Man I have some good memories of gaming on my Mac. Kinda sucked to have to boot out of Mac OS though.
Yes, in schools and colleges ipad is sold the most and use the ipados for what is it
M4 iPad Pro - 579 gram
surface pro - 895 gram (without the type cover)
That’s why the surface pro is not a great tablet
surface pro - 895 gram (without the type cover)
That’s why the surface pro is not a great tablet
At 600 nits peak SDR, the Surface Pro 10 remains quite literally in the shadow of the iPad Pro M4.
I’d buy an iPad because it’s the right hardware and software. I wouldn’t buy a surface because although it’s the right hardware, it’s the wrong software (microsoft desperately needs a windows mobile to compete with ipados and ios).
It’s pointless making these comparisons with MBA — people buy an OS when buying a computer, not a piece of hardware.
It’ll be interesting to see how much market share these devices gain compared to Intel/AMD devices, which is where the real competition lies. Most games are optimised for x86, so we will have to see how many people buy laptops with games in the back of their minds.
It’ll be interesting to see how much market share these devices gain compared to Intel/AMD devices, which is where the real competition lies. Most games are optimised for x86, so we will have to see how many people buy laptops with games in the back of their minds.
Curious, in which ways has MacOs user experience “deteriorated markedly”, in ways that does not apply to Windows?
Whether Apple will stay ahead on hardware remains to be seen. The way I see it, Qualcomm has not caught up with M3, they are just cheaper. It’s not news that Windows PC’s are cheaper than Macs, and should be considering the overall experience. The way I see it, 12 core should be compared to 12 core. These PC’s are comparable to M2 Pro in both single core and multicore, and are lacking features compared to M3, so they are in fact still behind. Just cheaper.
We will only really see in about three years whether Windows has actually “caught up”. People **** on Apple not gaining enough between each iteration, but they have been moving faster than competition, not slower.
Wait till other arm providers will start offering windows support. ampere cpu with optimized windows can outperform any apple silicon. Not for mobile but for desktop and pro. Mac will only be left in mobile department. And if ampere and other will provide mobile (laptop version) it can be a killer
First off, I know this article is about iPad versus a Surface laptop, but I am seriously thinking about the Surface laptop because of the following experiences. Curious if anyone else had graduated to the "Dark Side"?
Having used Macs solely since 2006, about 17 years, I decided to build a gaming PC. Full blown setup with an i9-14900K, RTX 4090 graphics card, 64gb RAM, liquid cooling, and Windows 11 Home...yada yada yada.
The PC was built for $3700 and the Mac Studio Ultra I bought at $4000. Pretty comparative pricing between the 2 and in my sweet spot financially for a desktop. And yes, if I would just shop for the same PC from a company online, delivered it would cost probably around $4600-$4700.
I built it mainly for VR gaming and wanted to see how it compared to my Mac Studio Ultra M2 in apps like LightRoom, Adobe Premier Pro 2024, and Photoshop.
At this point I don't even turn the Mac on anymore and am thinking of selling it. The PC has far exceeded what I thought it would do with all aspects of my computer use, gaming and productivity. I'll stay in the Apple ecosystem with an iPad Pro and an iPhone.
NEVER thought I would touch a Windows PC in my home again but my mind has changed after 17 years which before that I was building gaming PC's.
So yes, the performance gap between Windows and Mac has always been a he said/she said kind of relationship depending on what exactly you were comparing between the two. Trying two head-to-head 2 different architectures is a little tricky.
But I have to tell you in the end, my PC "just works".
Having used Macs solely since 2006, about 17 years, I decided to build a gaming PC. Full blown setup with an i9-14900K, RTX 4090 graphics card, 64gb RAM, liquid cooling, and Windows 11 Home...yada yada yada.
The PC was built for $3700 and the Mac Studio Ultra I bought at $4000. Pretty comparative pricing between the 2 and in my sweet spot financially for a desktop. And yes, if I would just shop for the same PC from a company online, delivered it would cost probably around $4600-$4700.
I built it mainly for VR gaming and wanted to see how it compared to my Mac Studio Ultra M2 in apps like LightRoom, Adobe Premier Pro 2024, and Photoshop.
At this point I don't even turn the Mac on anymore and am thinking of selling it. The PC has far exceeded what I thought it would do with all aspects of my computer use, gaming and productivity. I'll stay in the Apple ecosystem with an iPad Pro and an iPhone.
NEVER thought I would touch a Windows PC in my home again but my mind has changed after 17 years which before that I was building gaming PC's.
So yes, the performance gap between Windows and Mac has always been a he said/she said kind of relationship depending on what exactly you were comparing between the two. Trying two head-to-head 2 different architectures is a little tricky.
But I have to tell you in the end, my PC "just works".
Microsoft says a lot of things, all the way back to faking demos of Windows back in the 90s
The Oryon CPU core runs on a 4nm node, one generation older than the 3nm node used by the M3 and it's used in a first generation SOC.
I would say it does pretty well taking in consideration its handicaps.
Also it seems to target competitive priced laptops which is great and will drive up adoption.
What I don't understand is the unreasonable expectation of people here that Apple always needing to dominate every competitor on everything, all the time.
- Even Apple Silicon's iterative improvements are being looked down upon - seriously, when did you ever see a generation improvement of 20% performance on any silicon in the last 20 years? Yes the Snapdragon caught up with M3 (and that's a big maybe as the WinArm is just a piece of garbage with indecent emulation of x86) and the M4 is already here.
- Apple is attempting to invent a new category of computers with AVP - it's deemed a failure? What?
- Apple parks the car project as they believe it's not goign to be a viable output for it's shareholders due to longer than intented ROI and this is a failure? So companies should not invest to new realms to extend their offering, Apple should just do computers and phones?
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Bro, Apple does have a M4 available and can launch the M4 MacBook Air anything they want. They just give Microsoft their time to shine as Microsoft is a major shareholder of Apple in the end.
This is very old outdated info, you should use Windows from time to time.
You can set the hours when updates should be installed, you can turn off automatic updates(it will updated only when you manually search for it), also Windows was optimized to not install updates when you are doing something on the computer.
Also in corporate environments this was never a problem for Windows as you can't updates freely anyway.
A few more thoughts.
M4 is already out, never mind M4 Pro or max which you know is coming around WWDC or soon thereafter.
That said - yay. Good for microsoft. If this can make ARM for Windows viable i am all for it. It will mean that Windows runs better on my Apple Silicon based mac for when i need it, force AMD/Intel to compete, or even better maybe kill the insecure bloated pile of backwards compatibility hacks-in-hardware that is x86.
Running X86/X64 via translation (especially for legacy stuff) has been the ideal way forward for ages, even intel tried to kill x86 (but poorly) with the Itanium. However AMD at their lunch and intel didn't commit to killing x86 across all levels of the market, they pushed an extremely expensive server only part - which being server only had no pre-existing software and ran x86 code slower than a pentium.
This time around though ARM is now established enough and cheap enough in the consumer space to mean we might finally have a chance to put x86/x64 to death. Its needed to be taken out the back behind the shed and shot for decades at this point.
So good for MS for getting this out there and actually throwing some marketing behind it. Because even if it is bending the truth, if more PC people buy it (who weren't mac customers anyway) it will mean better support for the apple silicon platforms. Not just from windows, but also from people writing software to take advantage of the ARM-common features.
M4 is already out, never mind M4 Pro or max which you know is coming around WWDC or soon thereafter.
That said - yay. Good for microsoft. If this can make ARM for Windows viable i am all for it. It will mean that Windows runs better on my Apple Silicon based mac for when i need it, force AMD/Intel to compete, or even better maybe kill the insecure bloated pile of backwards compatibility hacks-in-hardware that is x86.
Running X86/X64 via translation (especially for legacy stuff) has been the ideal way forward for ages, even intel tried to kill x86 (but poorly) with the Itanium. However AMD at their lunch and intel didn't commit to killing x86 across all levels of the market, they pushed an extremely expensive server only part - which being server only had no pre-existing software and ran x86 code slower than a pentium.
This time around though ARM is now established enough and cheap enough in the consumer space to mean we might finally have a chance to put x86/x64 to death. Its needed to be taken out the back behind the shed and shot for decades at this point.
So good for MS for getting this out there and actually throwing some marketing behind it. Because even if it is bending the truth, if more PC people buy it (who weren't mac customers anyway) it will mean better support for the apple silicon platforms. Not just from windows, but also from people writing software to take advantage of the ARM-common features.
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PS: Sorry for the formatting
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Apple is still ahead. They still need someone else’s chips. And that someone else’s chips needed to buy a company founded by ex Apple chip engineers. Not to mention there are some legal stoushes going on. These devices are not in the wild yet and early benchmarks are not favourable.
Depending on where you live, you're paying up to $2 per day extra on energy costs alone over a Mac Studio and all the productivity apps you list above run faster on the Mac Studio, especially video encoding.
So you're really just paying a lot of money over each year just to game.