Microsoft Says Windows 10 PCs 'Do More' Than Macs in Latest Ads

[pika2000]

Microsoft really sucks at marketing.
These ads are actually not bad.... if they were for the Surface Pro instead of Windows. If MS advertise this for the Surface Pro, the product (SP) can deliver what it is being advertised (multi-touch, the camera log-in, everything works as defined by Microsoft, etc).

The problem here is that just because Windows 10 has those features, doesn't mean the Windows laptops you're buying will execute them properly. Not all Windows laptops have touch screen. Not all of them included Office (which was strangely advertised as if it is part of Windows). Just look at Dell XPS 13, sexy machine, but its camera is not compatible with the face recognition login feature. Not only that, most OEMs are still filing up their computers with McAfee malware and other stuff, ruining the user experience.

 

[tevion5]

Your Mac doesn't crash? What are you running - Snow Leopard??

Hangs in a manner I can force quit out sometimes of in fairness, but virtually never full on crashes.

 

[Kabeyun]

Possibly crossing the line on this thread, but it seems to me that everyone thought that Trump would immolate by now, and not make it this far, just like Microsoft. If I had a penny for everyone prophesying the end of Microsoft. I'D own the world...

Microsoft is there for the 'authoritarians'. The ones that require the drama and regimentation that Windows demands. The bugs, the limits, the drama, the temperamental breakdowns, the crashes, the unfulfilled promises, the fear that the next 'update' will lobotomize Windows 10 like they did to Windows 7 to make 8...

Speaking of Trump and other people to whom conspiracy theories appeal, maybe Microsoft and the massive industrial IT support industry have...let's just say common interests. I work in health care, and I can think of no other industry in which this is more apparent. (And not a day goes by that I don't wish that the workstation in front of which I sit down were a Mac.)

And we'll done for "prophesying." First time I've ever seen the correct word in a forum. (For others, no such word as "prophesizing.")

 

[Ishayu]

I don't understand how anyone can defend Apple's lack of touchscreens at this point. You can't applaud it as the best form of input for mobile and tablets while also seeing absolutely no benefit on a laptop. Architecture aside, every single app for the iPad would be possible (for the developers to make) on a touchscreen laptop. If none of the apps you use on an iPad would be convenient to have on your laptop, then color me confused. At this point, Apple has done an amazing job training us all to manipulate things on screen with our fingers. There are times it will always feel more natural, such as manipulating photos (or simply pinching to zoom in general).

It's really, really simple, and Apple puts it well:

Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, not vertical.

So why does a touch screen on a notebook suck? Because the keyboard is horizontal, not the display. It sucks exactly as much as an iPad with keyboard stand. Apple have tried many, many times to deliver that product and it always, consistently, fails to take off. I haven't seen anyone using it yet.

So yeah - touchscreen sucks on the clamshell design but is great on the tablet design. It's perfectly reasonable to say it doesn't work in one design and works great in another, and I don't know why you think that can't be the case.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

"My mac don't have touchscreen"

Sad but true. Believe or not, it's 2016 and we are not getting touchscreen mac. We don't even get touchscreen support to OSX as some exec's wants us to buy multiple devices to do simple things.

I'm not only one who is thinking of The Switch. Let's see after next WWDC.
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Multitouch. You can't replicate that with keyboard and mouse. Not even with MagicTrackpad. If you don't use any apps that would benefit from multitouch then it's fine. I use mostly those apps: Logic Pro, Photoshop, Final Cut, Ableton Live, Cinema 4D.

All those programs will go to next level when we get full multitouch support. No, you can't do that with iPad.

I have a Wacom 'Pen Tablet' too. Why in Ford's green earth would I ever want the complications and drama of a touchscreen. Sorry, I'm so not buying the necessity of a touchscreen.

Heck, I remember people whining about the lack of official Blu-ray support for macs, and how the world was going to end any second, and yet we have survived without it...

I remember the same drama when I delivered new computers to a client. There was IMMENSE DRAMA!!! You would have thought they were possessed by Satan. The 'problem'? They didn't have floppy drives. A hasty meeting was called, and much consternation was shoveled on me from one person. The rest sat around and said that they really never used them, and it didn't bother them at all. It actually made sense to them because they never used them and it would save money.

So, spare the drama.

If you want to get all worked up about something, I hear the iPhone 7 might have a 'slimmer' lightening port. I was already concerned that the darn thing was going to break off when it first came out, now I'm sure of it! OFF TO THE PARAPETS! LIGHT THE TORCHES!!!

 

[physicsprof]

The new Macs could be announced at WWDC in June or at a media event later this fall, although updates could also be announced via press release at any time.

Deep insights here. In other news: I could have lunch at noon today. Or at 1pm. Although I also could have a snack at any time before then. Step it up, Macrumors.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

"...The first ad introduces The Bug Chicks, who are identified as "real people paid for real opinions," and focuses on how PCs allow them to teach kids about insects using PowerPoint and other Windows 10 apps and features…"

You had me up until PowerPoint, Microsoft.

Keynote or Prezi FTW!

OMG!

I saw the commercial like twelve times between yesterday and this morning.

I so wanted to take that MacBook away from the twit and tell her she's doing it wrong if she can't figure out how to do that 'cool stuff' on the danged technology SITTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER!!!

One thing that really ticks me off about the peecee's is that their 'rules' for their trackpads are user abusive.

I have a top of the line Elitebook from HP. core i7, bukoo memory, massive hard drive. Nice 'book, EXCEPT the track pad SUCKS! You HAVE to hold your fingers parallel to the front of the 'book in order to get it to scroll. HAVE TO. It just refuses to work otherwise... (And even sometimes if you are going it 'right')

The drama and undertow of using peecees is draining...

Touchscreens aren't going to make it easier. 'Gosh, we suck. Let's throw more useless technology on it to see if we can get people to like it.'

'Windows 8' should be enough to get people to really think twice about supporting Microsoft and their 'ecosystem'. (Or is it actually an 'echo-system'? 'Windows 8 is great' 'Windows 8 is great' 'Windows 8 is great'...)

Windows 10 IS better than Windows 8, but then hemorrhoids WOULD be better than a heart attack...

 

[You are the One]

Windows 10 is perfect for people who paste their entire life on Facebook and other places on the inter web anyway. They couldn't care less for MS slurping up everything they do on their computer and use it for advertising and selling to "partners".

The OS for sheep. Sounds catchy.

 

[felt.]

I find the generic upbeat jingles they use in these spots to be offensive. Apple is guilty of this as well.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

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I find the generic upbeat jingles they use in these spots to be offensive. Apple is guilty of this as well.

It's funny that people actually download the sounds from Windows... I've always wondered about it when people did that.

To each their own...

 

[RogueWarrior65]

I actually have a late 2015 HP laptop like they're talking about on my desk. Off to one side, of course, since my primary machine is my MBP. The reason I have it is to be able to do cross-platform development a demo PC software builds on an actual PC to take away any confusion. I can tell you quite honestly that I hate the thing. It seems that every user-experience feature on it is just there as a marketing tool. None of it works well. The track pad is insanely stupid. It's not centered but rather left of center which makes it harder to use for right-handed people. There's a zone on the thing that's intended for right-clicking but because the pad itself requires your thumb to rest on that zone, you end up right-clicking all the time when you don't want to. What's worse is that you can't get rid of that zone in the preferences. It's there and on the bottom whether you want to use it or not. The touch screen is also a bad idea for the simple reason that the screen hinge results in the whole thing wiggling when you touch something. So, basically, you have to use a mouse in order to be productive. And don't get me started on the lack of polish in the OS in general.

 

[Designer Dale]

I own both Macs and PCs, lot's of them. Mac OS X is fairly superior to Windows 10 in a lot of aspects. There are some good stuff about windows too, it is good to mention. But touch screen for computers is still a no go IMHO. Real life use sucks and I don't know which computer she is using in the videos, but all my i3 touch screen Dell's notebooks do not have that nice touch screen flow. Also, all notebook's touch screens are into flimsy screens and you need to hold the screen to be able to touch it properly. The real strength from the Macs is the BSD/Linux heart on the bottom of it. Oh yeah, and IOS sucks. Sorry for that.

Microsoft really sucks at marketing.
These ads are actually not bad.... if they were for the Surface Pro instead of Windows. If MS advertise this for the Surface Pro, the product (SP) can deliver what it is being advertised (multi-touch, the camera log-in, everything works as defined by Microsoft, etc).

The problem here is that just because Windows 10 has those features, doesn't mean the Windows laptops you're buying will execute them properly. Not all Windows laptops have touch screen. Not all of them included Office (which was strangely advertised as if it is part of Windows). Just look at Dell XPS 13, sexy machine, but its camera is not compatible with the face recognition login feature. Not only that, most OEMs are still filing up their computers with McAfee malware and other stuff, ruining the user experience.

(My emphasis)

I wish these ads had disclaimer text like those insane auto commercials:
Closed course, professional driver. Optional equipment shown. Your results may vary (a lot).

Dale

 

[mi7chy]

There are leaders and followers. Leaders think and do different while followers apologize for lack of features and functionalities. If it wasn't for leaders there wouldn't be larger screen iPhones, 2GB+ DRAM, stronger aircraft quality aluminum, pencil, etc.

"Seriously! I had been a happy Mac user since '05, but had dreamed of touchscreen music production since the original iPhone. Sure, there some music apps that are cool, but you always hit a dead end in what they're capable of. No fully functional, production program in iOS. I've given up hope that apple will develop a touchscreen COMPUTER, but meanwhile love my Surface Book. All the more impressive was I could do things like this with a Surface Pro, as I did before this. But the bigger screen is ideal."

 

[Designer Dale]

There are leaders and followers. Leaders think and do different while followers apologize for lack of features and functionalities. If it wasn't for leaders there wouldn't be larger screen iPhones, 2GB+ DRAM, stronger aircraft quality aluminum, pencil, etc.

"Seriously! I had been a happy Mac user since '05, but had dreamed of touchscreen music production since the original iPhone. Sure, there some music apps that are cool, but you always hit a dead end in what they're capable of. No fully functional, production program in iOS. I've given up hope that apple will develop a touchscreen COMPUTER, but meanwhile love my Surface Book. All the more impressive was I could do things like this with a Surface Pro, as I did before this. But the bigger screen is ideal."

That is impressive, but it seems it would be better executed with the screens side by side. Could you really keep that up for an hour?

Dale

 

[Rossatron]

oh, so bugs are cool now?
btw, i like how the fine print reads "real people paid for real opinions" and "available on select models, app sold separately"

 

[jedifaka]

It's time to retire Steve Jobs' 2010 assertion that, "touch surfaces don't want to be vertical."- that a touchscreen only works horizontally.

The musician has the option to lay the Surface flat but clearly prefers not to.

I use a Surface with a couple of external monitors. I could lay it flat, too, but I prefer to use it like an easel. Not to contradict Jobs, but just 'cause it works for me. Once you've bought them, there's nothing wrong with using your devices the way you like.

That is impressive, but it seems it would be better executed with the screens side by side. Could you really keep that up for an hour?

Dale

 

[macpro2000]

OK take a photo of the user and blow it up and print it. Viola! I'm in!

 

[Roykor]

Of course they do. They crash, get viruses, and have the most obnoxious notification system on earth.

My mac doesn't do any of that :/

Well, my i5 3.1ghz iMac from 2011 with 12gb memory haves trouble waking up from sleepmode, is giving me beachballs lately, has an shinny glass screen, freezes from time to time, is not working good with my $2500 Cintiq screen sinds El Captain (drivers can't be installed), magic mouse is a joke, Mac gets very hot and slow when i work with Premiere and Photoshop, etc etc etc.

But, the machine looks damm sexy.

For sure, you have to be careful for virussen. And for sure, there will be problems in W10 but Apple isn't a magical wonder machine too. I love Osx. But performance meets workflow in 2016 and makes me have to move to a PC soon. iMacs are moved to average consumer needs.

These videos from both sides, are funny but also a bit silly. Both OS are great and have there weak points. I have to say that OSX is sliding from the hill downwards for me.

 

[miniyou64]

Now that's a good one

 

[AppleScruff1]

It's really, really simple, and Apple puts it well:

Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, not vertical.

So why does a touch screen on a notebook suck? Because the keyboard is horizontal, not the display. It sucks exactly as much as an iPad with keyboard stand. Apple have tried many, many times to deliver that product and it always, consistently, fails to take off. I haven't seen anyone using it yet.

So yeah - touchscreen sucks on the clamshell design but is great on the tablet design. It's perfectly reasonable to say it doesn't work in one design and works great in another, and I don't know why you think that can't be the case.

Yet they sell a detachable keyboard for the iPad Pro. Go figure.

 

[Flight Plan]

I have Windows 10 on a laptop and I will say that it has been just fine. Apples crash too and I have seen it, even during a studion recording gig, so you Mac people can't fool me.

My feeling is that I want to be OS flexible. I have three iOS devices and am thinking of getting another.

But I will also say that Apple has been falling down and failing power users such as myself. Just look at my sigature for a few of the issues I have with Apple. And to make matters worse, Siri keeps getting dumber and more helpless every time I upgrade my iPhone's OS. I have an iPhone, for crying out loud, so why do I constantly have to keep using the Google assistant if I want to get anything done?

I generally think of people here as being intelligent and well-meaning. But to make fun of Microsoft right now, when there is no way to add memory at a later date, and no way to increase internal hard drive or SSD space to an MBP even if I wanted to, well; that just shouts fanboyism to me.

Apple needs to do better for power users. A lot better. My next laptop will very likely be a Windows machine and not a Mac Book Pro because some PC makers will allow me to get a 17" touchscreen laptop and some makers will allow me to put 5 TB of drive space internally into them, include an internal DVD burner, or upgrade the memory later. Some will even allow me to do all of these things.

Currently, none of those makers are from Cupertino and none of them have the word "Apple" in their names.

 

[lordofthereef]

We had Mac v Pc and now PC v Mac. We have come full circle.

 

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[QquegChristian]

Heck, I remember people whining about the lack of official Blu-ray support for macs, and how the world was going to end any second, and yet we have survived without it...

I burn hundreds of blu-rays a year. I'm handed burned blu-rays all the time. I am a filmmaker. 75% of film festivals screen off of blu-rays. When I bought my last desktop years and years ago, you couldn't even buy an external BluRay burner, so I went with an HP desktop with an internal blu burner. As my filmmaking got more demanded, I've upgraded every bit of that PC. Have never needed to buy a new desktop. Going stronger than ever and my upgrades hurt less because they were spread out.

I'll tell you though, that blu-ray burner has been absolutely indispensable. Festivals, press, distributors... None of these people LIKE watching screeners on Vimeo. I know for a fact that it was a blu that got us our US disc distributor (who put our movie The Battery into Wal-Mart).

I'm a special case, but I'm a filmmaker, and Apple used to be the ONLY choice for us filmmakers.

As future-thinking as the lack of BluRay support sounds, I'd like to mention that iTunes requires all movies to be delivered on TAPE. Magnetic tape. Basically an HD version of beta. EVERY other platform and distributor took the movie in Apple's own ProRes HQ codec. Apple themselves? Tape.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

I burn hundreds of blu-rays a year. I'm handed burned blu-rays all the time. I am a filmmaker. 75% of film festivals screen off of blu-rays. When I bought my last desktop years and years ago, you couldn't even buy an external BluRay burner, so I went with an HP desktop with an internal blu burner. As my filmmaking got more demanded, I've upgraded every bit of that PC. Have never needed to buy a new desktop. Going stronger than ever and my upgrades hurt less because they were spread out.

I'll tell you though, that blu-ray burner has been absolutely indispensable. Festivals, press, distributors... None of these people LIKE watching screeners on Vimeo. I know for a fact that it was a blu that got us our US disc distributor (who put our movie The Battery into Wal-Mart).

I'm a special case, but I'm a filmmaker, and Apple used to be the ONLY choice for us filmmakers.

As future-thinking as the lack of BluRay support sounds, I'd like to mention that iTunes requires all movies to be delivered on TAPE. Magnetic tape. Basically an HD version of beta. EVERY other platform and distributor took the movie in Apple's own ProRes HQ codec. Apple themselves? Tape.

But some of the smartest people, are really so dumb...

I have a Blu-ray burner. Hoping I guess...