Microsoft Set to Demonstrate Windows Mobile 7 Next Week

[inlovewithi]

Okay I will say this a different way.

You are wrong and your issues must be your own.

I do a heck of lot more than web surf and check email on my computer.

There are not a lot of little things that are difficult to do on the Mac. Some things do take some adjusting but being able to do a proper web search finds you most of the answers quickly.

If you really find Mac OSX so hard to navigate after using windows, it has to be a personal problem. Fundamentally OSX is easier to use than Windows is.

Please name several of these "little things" you found hard to master on the mac.

You obviously do not get my point at all. Not one bit. I do not feel like re trying to explain it. I'm talking about the little differences and you take it as if I'm saying that I find OSX hard to use. Forget about OSX, lets talk about a similar problem that certain people had when moving from Windows Xp to Vista or Windows 7. It's basically Windows, but since Microsoft changed a lot of little things, a lot of XP users stayed in XP. The little things that those XP user were used to doing without thinking were now different, and that can be annoying. Now imagine if those XP users decided to move to OSX.

So what makes OSX fundamentally easier to use than Windows? Let me guess, you're going to say viruses, blue screen, fud, etc. But lets pretend both OS' are working just fine, what makes it fundamentally easier?

 

[inkswamp]

You're already ahead of the majority of people by doing research and posting here on Page 1 about it.

This applies to more than just buying a computer.

Actually, having done my share of professional web dev work and having worked side-by-side with marketing people, I can tell you that product research prior to shopping is one of the biggest consumer activities performed on the Web. Advertisers pay big money for information about that.

Now, whether that applies to the population as a whole or not is an entirely different debate, but I think you may have a hard time proving that most people don't do a little research online prior to making big purchases.

 

[cwwilson]

WinMo 7 might be nice...Then watch Apple totally overhaul iPhone OS. When you think about it, the iPhone OS hasn't changed a whole lot since it first debuted on the original iPhone. It's gone years with very subtle updates in between. I was hoping the iPad would show a hint of what's to come for the iPhone 4.0 software but maybe that's coming next year.

 

[NT1440]

WinMo 7 might be nice...Then watch Apple totally overhaul iPhone OS. When you think about it, the iPhone OS hasn't changed a whole lot since it first debuted on the original iPhone. It's gone years with very subtle updates in between. I was hoping the iPad would show a hint of what's to come for the iPhone 4.0 software but maybe that's coming next year.

Maybe if your talking about from a UI perspective, but 3.0 was a MASSIVE update for developers which in turn makes it a nice update for users.

 

[Povilas]

You're already ahead of the majority of people by doing research and posting here on Page 1 about it.

This applies to more than just buying a computer.

Well I know, but it seems there are a lot of people that don't. Especially in this forum. For example replace folder in Windows and replace folder in Mac OS X. What people do? They whine. Instead of doing some research they assume everything works the same.

But lets pretend both OS' are working just fine, what makes it fundamentally easier?

The whole concept.

 

[TurboSC]

I can't wait to see it in action. For all the haters out there, hopefully it'll put some pressure on Apple to really push the envelope for the next iPhone, competition is always good for the consumers!

 

[kernkraft]

All the dead ideas!

MS IS DEAD.

You say (write) that all the time, in fact there is hardly anything else that you contribute to the discussion. Alright, sometimes you also write 'Adobe is dead'.

Why don't you just set these as signature and say something that actually makes sense?

 

[NT1440]

You say (write) that all the time, in fact there is hardly anything else that you contribute to the discussion. Alright, sometimes you also write 'Adobe is dead'.

Why don't you just set these as signature and say something that actually makes sense?

I don't think you understand the mindset of that particular poster.

 

[cwwilson]

Maybe if your talking about from a UI perspective, but 3.0 was a MASSIVE update for developers which in turn makes it a nice update for users.

Yeah pretty much what I meant. I know 3.0 brought some things to the table (or played catch-up) but the UI has stagnated.

 

[NT1440]

Yeah pretty much what I meant. I know 3.0 brought some things to the table (or played catch-up) but the UI has stagnated.

What needs to change in the UI? Why change something that works just because you are tired of the look?

 

[krye]

Move along, nothing to see here....

 

[kernkraft]

Dominating my a@@!

Now it's OVER; Apple dominates everything and will surpass MS in market cap in less than 2 years.

Actually, Apple hardly dominates anything, not even the smartphone market, where they are strong. Perhaps the legal music download business is one area where they are dominating. Another would be the North American and some Western European markets of music players, but I'm not even sure about that one. Also, Apple might dominate the market of the most expensive desktop and portable computers. Is that something that means that it's so much better? I thought that it only means that it's so much more expensive. For what our MacBook Pro cost with the faulty Nvidia card, my brother, who is an architect bought himself a laptop that can withstand hard drops and severe dust. Apple isn't even in that segment of the market.

And I still don't understand how a 10% share in the US OS market can be considered as 'dominating'.

 

[cwwilson]

What needs to change in the UI? Why change something that works just because you are tired of the look?

Do you think it should stay the same forever? You're probably going to give me the old "if it ain't broke...." thing and that's okay. but Andriod and WebOS on the Palms look far more interesting that the plain "icons on black background" thing the iPhone has going on. Yes, I have jailbroken my phone many times and have had some great themes but most of them are just wallpaper and icons changes. I want a more informative and attractive lockscreen, and a revamped UI to spice things up. What they have now works but it is getting old, please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this. I was so disappointed with the iPad not changing anything...I was thinking it was going to be a touchscreen version of OS X, or a least a mobile version of it.

 

[lilo777]

That's the problem with OSes.

WinMo 7 might be nice...Then watch Apple totally overhaul iPhone OS. When you think about it, the iPhone OS hasn't changed a whole lot since it first debuted on the original iPhone. It's gone years with very subtle updates in between. I was hoping the iPad would show a hint of what's to come for the iPhone 4.0 software but maybe that's coming next year.

Once you developed software and user base it's hard to innovate. WinMo was the best (if not only) OS for smart phones at the time. Then hardware advances and Apple jumped in with new OS that took benefits of new hardware. Now with 100K applications in store try to do something that may break backward compatibility. What do you do with App Store? Close it? Now MS will probably leapfrog iPhone by starting from scratch. App Store though is anew phenomena. iPhone will probably stay competitive even without major upgrades just because of the store.

 

[Kristenn]

Why does everyone say it OSx and OSX? Doesn't anybody look at the log in screens of their Macintoshes anymore?

It's Mac OS X! Ten! Not ex!

On topic. I don't like Windows mobile or Windows tablet OS's. Desktop/laptop Windows is fine. But I was surprised with Windows 7. So who knows? Maybe it will catch up at least a little bit.

I for one don't want MS to die and I don't think why will. If MS dies, who will compete with Apple and force them to innovate?

 

[lilo777]

What needs to change in the UI? Why change something that works just because you are tired of the look?

Well, I am not sure about iPhone with its fixed screen resolution but MS may take advantage of the arrival of new CPUs and screens with better resolution. They can leverage them to come up with flashier GUI.

 

[Peace]

Wow I just saw this topic.

That's going to be the view 2 months after it's released.

 

[cwwilson]

Once you developed software and user base it's hard to innovate. WinMo was the best (if not only) OS for smart phones at the time. Then hardware advances and Apple jumped in with new OS that took benefits of new hardware. Now with 100K applications in store try to do something that may break backward compatibility. What do you do with App Store? Close it? Now MS will probably leapfrog iPhone by starting from scratch. App Store though is anew phenomena. iPhone will probably stay competitive even without major upgrades just because of the store.

Well Apple may come up with a way to make a new firmware back-compat with apps but eventually you will need to upgrade to the new iPhone to keep up with the new apps taking advantage of newfound power or whatever gets added to the OS. I know right now there have been times that my firmware has been needed to be updated in order to even download certain apps, that will be the case with 4.0 as well. It happened with 3.0, and 2.0 too.

 

[St.Jimmy!]

I'm actually working there. I'll try and see if I can get some pics on the event in here.

 

[igazza]

honestly ms should make a zune phone

 

[dsnort]

Yes, but it's very likely it will suck.

Well, if we're going to play the odds.....

 

[greygray]

Fixed.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken.

 

[mac*jedi*g]

But...

...will it fit in the "iRack"?

Little boy: It doesn't look like it want to go into the iRack.

 

[*LTD*]

Windows Mobile? What's that?

MS IS DEAD.

 

[kernkraft]

Why does everyone say it OSx and OSX? Doesn't anybody look at the log in screens of their Macintoshes anymore?

It's Mac OS X! Ten! Not ex!

On topic. I don't like Windows mobile or Windows tablet OS's. Desktop/laptop Windows is fine. But I was surprised with Windows 7. So who knows? Maybe it will catch up at least a little bit.

I for one don't want MS to die and I don't think why will. If MS dies, who will compete with Apple and force them to innovate?

I don't. OS X - there you are!

I haven't installed Windows 7, despite the fact that I have a copy of the free Release Candidate. But people say good things about it. Besides, it supports touching (not the inappropriate kind). OS X (ten) does not. That might influence the further development of the tablet market.

Windows Mobile? What's that?

MS IS DEAD.

Oh God, not again!

Haven't you heard that Jobs was dead? It's all over in my signature. But seriously - MS is still larger than Apple and it is not likely to collapse in any minute. Or is it likely that Apple with its 10% share in the world of desktop OS will 'kill' MS?