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The hardware is nice. Apps suck or are non existent. Apple should give iPad Pro mouse support (for real users who use RDP etc).
 
As someone who just switched to iPad Pro 12.9 from Windows 10 tablet I would have to say, nope, not so in my opinion.

It is nice to run a full desktop but it doesn't work right switching between desktop and tablet modes. Also it slows down horribly over time as Windows tends to do as it gets more and more bloated. Some models have really noisy fans that turn on. The iPad pro does not have a fan. I was in a meeting with someone who was using one and the fan turned on. It was difficult to hear in the meeting from time to time because of the fan. It was a serious distraction.

Yes, having a desktop and tablet combined is nice, however the drawbacks is Windows 10. It's a hot mess.

Well, I can sure agree with that, but the result was specific for the Microsoft Surface: which is in fact a tablet (not a notebook at all, even though it has a keyboard option). It doesn't have any noisy fan too.

I just love Apple products (since ever) but seriously... right now they're stuck.
I'm a macBook Pro heavy user and I can tell you that satisfaction rates on the mbp will start to go down too. They keep pushing their vision of pro tablet and they're designing mbp's with tablet perspective (making them lighter, thiner, unifying ports, compromising computational power because of batt life)...
They're this close on losing their place on MacBook Pro market and now this evidence that they will probably loose it on the Pro Tablet as well... Samsung is catching up on phones too...

They better start recognizing that there's something wrong and keep up the pace fast.
 
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You've not used Windows recently have you? Windows WAS better back then, i actually loved Windows 2000 and NT 4, now its a schizophrenic mess, plus with Windows as a service it keeps changing. Windows 7 was the last tolerable version of Windows, and thats only because Vista was so bad before it, everything since then has been a turd.

I have Windows 10 and agree the UI is an absolute disaster. But it's so easy to fix. I downloaded a couple of mods and configured some settings and my workflow is exactly the way it looked and worked in 7.

But I think the security and stability is a lot better now than the days of ME...
 
Not surprising. Windows is the present but the iPad will be the future. The people who want legacy PC features like a file manager on their iPads are not the majority. They simply don't know it yet.
 
Since when is the Surface a tablet? Does anyone ever use it without a keyboard attached or in portrait mode? All this tells me is people think a laptop running a desktop OS is more versatile than a tablet. That should be shocking to no one.
The article says only 51% of Surface owners use the keyboard and only 48% use the pen.

"Specifically, the Microsoft Surface's stylus saw a 48 percent usage rate in comparison to 27 percent of the industry average, while the tablet's add-on keyboard had a 51 percent usage rate in comparison to just a 14 percent industry average."

Where does this dumb idea that nobody uses Surface as a tablet come from?
 
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Solid gold.
Survey says, "Surface consumers are the most satisfied with their tablets. iPad consumers are still very satisfied, just not as much."
Forum says, "Surface is stupid. iPad is best!" Which, I think, says our most enthusiastic members don't give consumers credit for gauging their own satisfaction. I find that irresistible.
 
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I have an Asus T3 Pro which I can dock to an EGPU and it's pretty great at some things. Editing video with little effects and lower set games. But the choice is great. all Windows tablets should come with the Tablet Pro app. It's perfect for windows tablets.
 
Since when is the Surface a tablet? Does anyone ever use it without a keyboard attached or in portrait mode? All this tells me is people think a laptop running a desktop OS is more versatile than a tablet. That should be shocking to no one.

No, not one person has ever used a Surface without a keyboard.
 
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As some have said, it is sort of unfair to compare the two, as the Surface Pro runs a full desktop OS and as a result has better specs inside. Naturally, it will better equipped to perform more intensive tasks like those mentions and would work well for some students etc. too.

I would like it if Apple also doubled down n their software across the board so everything is optimized for the specified product and far fewer bugs too.

I understand my next iPad will be a consumption device. That's fine, I do not need a full OS during my commute; but lots of folks do want that.
 
I usd a Macbook Pro as my main computer, and a Surface 4 Pro has replaced my iPad for tablet computing. I like the Surface a lot, but I would prefer a tablet running MacOSX. But Apple still refuses to see the benefits of touchscreen on OSX.
 
Apple have a yawning product gap and refuse to fill it; portable touch device with desktop class OS - very simple.

No amount of advertising will make me and many others think differently...Apple lead the industry into new markets and then sit and watch while the same industry runs rings around them trying out all sorts of products and kicking Apple down the street in the process.

Innovation my ass Phil. How is that Mac Pro working out for you?
 
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Not surprised by Microsoft's win here.

Am surprised that Samsung is almost tied with Apple. Have been sorely disappointed with every Samsung tablet I've ever tried.

Yeah, I wouldn't ever take an Android tablet over an iPad. I'm open to the Surface as an alternative though.

Kudos to Microsoft. Competition is good.
 
Why then spend time on an apple focused forum?
For informed opinion, not for shuddering
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Considering what I think a tablet is useful for (Light web browsing, online shopping, streaming videos, playing certain kinds of games, very light note taking), why would I want clunky Windows to ruin that? .
Because your limited needs must define the options for all users? Because people who use windows don't find it clunky?
 
For informed opinion, not for shuddering
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Because your limited needs must define the options for all users? Because people who use windows don't find it clunky?

You want to read about Apple products, but Apple products make you shudder, but you don't like shuddering. Your logic is strong.

People who use windows don't find it clunky? Hahahahahaahahaha.
 
You want to read about Apple products, but Apple products make you shudder, but you don't like shuddering. Your logic is strong.
I wrote the apple bubble makes me shudder. Your reading is weak. I love the ipad pro. I think ipp and surface 4 are both great products
 
Surface has evolved. iPad stayed the same. If the tablet is supposed the "post PC era", you need something more sophisticated than iOS.... pretty simple. MS got it. Apple don't.
 
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This strong competition from Microsoft is great. It should inspire Apple to improve their products. They have had little motivation for too long.
I agree that competition is good. Thing is, Apple was never really motivated by what others were doing. The first time it felt like that to me was with the (Ed: annoyingly) large iPhones. They used to make the best stuff because they knew what we wanted. Now another reason is that they take cues from other companies that have figured some of that out.

I hate to be another Steve-is-gone hand wringer, but Apple doesn't seem to have as much of an internal guide. Cook is an ops guy, Federighi is an OS wonk, Schiller is a marketer, Ive does design, and Cue is the deal maker. There's no geek with amazing intuition.
 
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Next thing you know, Microsoft may just build a phone and watch that bests the iPhone and Apple Watch, respectively.

They sort of already have a watch... the Microsoft Band. It's not quite a full fledged SmartWatch, but it's more than a fitness tracker. It looks intriguing to me, and I considered getting one, but the reviews for it aren't so good.
 
This is such an apples and oranges comparison at this point...

It's great that the Surface crams all of Windows into a tablet for those people, who for whatever reason, want full Windows on essentially a sub-par laptop with a ****** keyboard and default touch functionality in place of a mouse of trackpad. They clearly win that battle on "TABLET Surface" vs "TABLET iPad" in the full feature set computer battle.

But if you want a full feature computer, the stupidly thin MacBook and new Pro models fill that void just fine. If you want a touch screen interface, then you probably are looking for simplified usability, which is what iPad aims to perfect.

The Surface wants to be an all-in-one solution, jack of all trades, master of none.
 
I'm not surprised, it's miles better. It's what the iPad should've been instead of a big iPhone.
 
This is such an apples and oranges comparison at this point...

It's great that the Surface crams all of Windows into a tablet for those people, who for whatever reason, want full Windows on essentially a sub-par laptop with a ****** keyboard and default touch functionality in place of a mouse of trackpad. They clearly win that battle on "TABLET Surface" vs "TABLET iPad" in the full feature set computer battle.

But if you want a full feature computer, the stupidly thin MacBook and new Pro models fill that void just fine. If you want a touch screen interface, then you probably are looking for simplified usability, which is what iPad aims to perfect.

The Surface wants to be an all-in-one solution, jack of all trades, master of none.

Disagree, its a great keyboard. Thinner than the one Apple has for the iPad, excellent key travel and backlit. And the Surface can max out at i7, 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD drive. Hardly sub par.

And, let's face it. If Apple put out the exact same hardware as the Surface, but it ran OSX, people would go apes**t over it - call it "revolutionary".
 
Not at all surprised. None of my business applications would work on iPad but I can work on a Surface both in office and at home
 
Not surprising. Windows is the present but the iPad will be the future. The people who want legacy PC features like a file manager on their iPads are not the majority. They simply don't know it yet.
I think you've got it backwards... Nothing about iOS and it's lack of a proper file management is appealing for users. On iOS, sometimes opening a file with a specific program or sharing between programs can be a nightmare.
 
I think you've got it backwards... Nothing about iOS and it's lack of a proper file management is appealing for users. On iOS, sometimes opening a file with a specific program or sharing between programs can be a nightmare.

It's like I said - the people moaning about the lack of legacy PC features are the minority here. They just don't know it yet.
 
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