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That's a shame. Whilst it's not something I'd get, a friend has one and it's quite incredible. I love that the keyboard is built into the cover and running native Windows apps on a tablet is great.

I want to see the Surface Pro continue, it looks like the perfect tablet.
 
also their pricing too.

besides that they're marketing this as some sort of office tablet. all I could remember from their ads was people dancing on tables doing spreadsheets. if I wanted to do that I'd go do it on a computer.

Absolutely, spreadsheets on any tablet simply suck.
 
I don't need Apple to convince me on that, I am already convinced. Browsing the internet, cheking emails and whatever majority of people do on their laptops is far more pleasant on a tablet. I mean who would want to carry around a bulky laptop in a bag just to do that kind of stuff?

For fun stuff like browsing, mailing, social networking a little bit yes.
For serious work stuff hell no. I wouldn't waste extra minutes sending e-mails with all kinds of attachments to my clients when working on my iPad. My laptop is in the context of the work I'm doing far more superior. It's not even worth a debate.
 
I'm indifferent to Windows - but Windows hates me. At work it's Windows 7, at home OSX and iOS. I can't remember ever having anything go wrong with my Apple devices that couldn't be fixed with a reboot. At work, when I have the misfortune of spending a day in the office, Windows likes to give me at least one problem a week to deal with - today it's a 0x80040600 error in Outlook. Solution? Apparently I need to run Scanpst.exe. Is there a handy option to click on in a drop down menu on the toolbar? Is there hell. I have to first locate the PST file then "write down the text in the filename box" (Microsoft's words, not mine), then use the Start->Search function to navigate a labyrinthine file structure to find the hallowed "Scanpst.exe" (a simple search of "Scanpst.exe" returns no results). Enter aforementioned PST file name (that had previously been written down) into the box and hit OK.

Didn't work.

Still scouring interwebz for solutions.


I reckon that. I have similar issues with Windows. Windows 8 wasn't a good followup either I.M.H.O. The whole interface is so badly designed, suddenly you end up with some kind of extra screen to your right and it cost me time to figure out how to get out of it.... The tiles at startup is something I ALWAYS directly skip. I don't want to see all kinds of squares with some kind of information. Some state it's handy but I disagree.

I can't state otherwise but I really love iOX and looking forward using Maverick on my Mac Pro and hopefully new Mac Pro soonish...
 
Yes, and thats why most busineses still use windows XP! That is "now" OS isn't it? I only use windows at work (still XP) and wish I didn't. Personal use stoped since 2008! What a horror experience it was!! I don't think I will ever get to use again any windows product. And tablets are aimed to personal use more then busines use anyway.

So I can understand why many people don't even want to have anything to do with windows tablet.

It has nothing to do with users personal choice. Most business procurement is done with cost in mind. Unless they see a huge benefit in paying a lot of extra money for a tablet then they will continue buying cheap PC's.

I don't know why you had such a "horror" experience with Windows XP. I'm guessing your company deployed a bad image with some dodgy group policies that provided you with such a poor experience. I've worked for quite a few companies where Windows XP was deployed properly and the user experience was fantastic. Obviously XP is old hat and Windows 7 has been the standard for a number of years now and is so good it's impossible to migrate to Windows 8. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' clearly applies to large corporations such as the one I work for.
 
Exactly. The quality doesn't matter so much as the namesake in the eyes of most consumers. They know "Windows" to be that slow, outdated pile of junk they are forced to use at work every day. Despite the advances Microsoft has made to their products, the last thing anyone wants to do is spend several hundred dollars on something that has a Windows logo on the front of it.

Perception is reality. They will not achieve any kind of meaningful success until they dump the name "Windows" from their branding and marketing of these products.

It is not only the name, they should build up a new OS from the ground instead of just modifying Windows 3.11 till eternity. They should focus on the core OS and stop putting efforts is shine **** that only matters to 10 year olds.
 
The problem with Surface (pro as that is the model the article is about) is the actual association with the word 'tablet'.

Tablets are either synominus with Apple iPad or much much cheaper Android tablets. Folks just do not associate full computer and tablet together.

Compare a $329 iPad mini, $499 retina iPad or even a $200 nexus 7 and $1000 for a what they deem a 'tablet' (not a computer) and it becomes pricy.

Yes the surface pro is much more than these other tablets - but the fact that its associated with the word 'tablet' at all means it is going to be directly compared with them on the basic level of what majority of users want tablets for. The average Joe Soap who is in the market for a 'tablet' doesn't necesserily want 'laptop or Ultrabook specifications' or even workload. The fundemental usage of the product is different, most people don't want the tablet to do more on it than the $200 nexus 7 (remember Android and very cheap Android tablets are the bigger percentage of tablet marketshare)...

So yes the surface pro is one of the most impressively powerful 'tablets' on the market - but clearly based on sales alone - incredibly powerful tablets are an incredibly NICHE area.

Surface Pro needs to drop the marketing towards the tablet crowd altogether and go after the high end - Ultrabook market.

Aiming at college Students in their commercials is silly, when most students / college goers would happily pay $399 for a cheap laptop for college for study / word processing and $200 on a cheap tablet for browsing / gaming and still be $300-$400 better off finacially than buying a surface Pro.

Microsoft simply got the market wrong on this one.

Its the reason why those expensive windows tablets of the past never made a dent in the market - fundamentally the surface pro is just like one of them. And the market for that item is just not that big....



What would be interesting is if we could see how many surface pros were sold against some of the other Ultrabooks on the market. I wonder how many other manufacturers sold 1.7 million Ultrabooks.

Apple: Macbook Air.
 
It has nothing to do with users personal choice. Most business procurement is done with cost in mind. Unless they see a huge benefit in paying a lot of extra money for a tablet then they will continue buying cheap PC's.

I don't know why you had such a "horror" experience with Windows XP. I'm guessing your company deployed a bad image with some dodgy group policies that provided you with such a poor experience. I've worked for quite a few companies where Windows XP was deployed properly and the user experience was fantastic. Obviously XP is old hat and Windows 7 has been the standard for a number of years now and is so good it's impossible to migrate to Windows 8. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' clearly applies to large corporations such as the one I work for.

No man, you didn't get it. The horrible experience was a personal experience with laptops that i used to buy/use and reach a boiling point with crashes,virues,keeping up with antiviruse softwares....you know... MS stuff.
 
No man, you didn't get it. The horrible experience was a personal experience with laptops that i used to buy/use and reach a boiling point with crashes,virues,keeping up with antiviruse softwares....you know... MS stuff.

The crashes would have been your fault, you must have been installing crap applications, dodgy drivers etc. Windows XP rarely crashed by itself. The only other thing that leads to crashes on any type of machine is dodgy hardware.

Virus's? Again your fault. Get better security. There's more than enough products out there that do the job.

I ran XP since it was launched, and until I scrapped it in around 2008 I had 0 virus's over it's lifetime.

The virus's I did encounter during support work was always the fault of the user downloading something stupid. You can't legislate for that, virus protection or not.

And Windows 7 is pretty rock solid. No complaints from me. Windows 8 betters it in every area
 
I can't say I've ever used the Surface, so I'm not in a position to comment on the quality of the product.

However, something about seeing Steve Ballmer fail makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside! :D

He's the biggest and most arrogant you-know-what in the industry, and all of us who know the history of Microsoft and how Steve Ballmer got involved in the company can appreciate how much he lucked into the life he got. He was a loud-mouthed loser friend of Bill Gates at Harvard, with no interest in computers or technology at all. His interest was in making big bucks and having lots of power...period.

So, he takes over after Bill Gates leaves, and he competes for several years against Steve Jobs. Now granted, Jobs was not the engineer/programmer/artist/Renaissance Man he fashioned himself to be, but at least he had a tremendous appreciation for product design and the potential of technology. As others have pointed out in this thread, Ballmer is (and was) a salesman, and not necessarily a very good one. You can only imagine how his life would have turned out if he had never known Bill Gates.

So, say what you will about the Surface vs. iPad vs. Android. I personally prefer the iOS system (and the Apple ecosystem, more generally), and I don't really care what everyone else uses. But I love to see Ballmer fail and especially knowing that everyone KNOWS he failed! And if any of you need a reminder of what Steve Ballmer's all about, watch this:

Steve Ballmer Going Crazy on Stage

Ballmer Laughs at iPhone

And finally, for those of you who can't remember how Windows actually started out:

Ballmer Sells Windows 1.0

Seriously, is there anyone who actually LIKES this guy? I can't imagine sitting in the same room with him, let alone buying anything from him! Yuck.
 
When you break down the Surface it doesn't really make much sense to own one. The tablet side of it is inferior to simpler devices with way more apps like the iPad, and the desktop side of the Surface is no different than a laptop. So why would this product be able to compete with the iPad? And to make matters worse, Microsoft just confuse people with their stupid commercials.
 
It's no wonder not many sold. Based on Microsoft's initial marketing push I think people were under the impression staring at the RT's screen would make you go looney bin at business meetings and cause you to start dancing on the table and tapping your pen as if you were on a drumline. (But maybe the table dance was out of frustration, not excessive RF exposure, I don't know).
 
The crashes would have been your fault, you must have been installing crap applications, dodgy drivers etc.

Find that quite fascinating since my behaivor of how I use my computer have not changed a bit since i switched to Mac, except for the.... experience ;)

Guess how many ativirus softwares i run on it? Zero.
 
Unfortunate

I would never give up my iPad, but I think the surface is a better product then the average android tablet. I'd like to see it do better as I think competition is good for everyone. I do think the mistake is that they need to go after the android market as it seems to be more in line with the customer they want. People joke about it all the time, but I do think it is true that once a person uses Apple products, they tend to stay. At least that is what happened to me. The iPhone is what brought me in four+ years ago...the rest is history.
 
Find that quite fascinating since my behaivor of how I use my computer have not changed a bit since i switched to Mac, except for the.... experience ;)

Guess how many ativirus softwares i run on it? Zero.

Apple produce the hardware and software, that's why it's often pretty flawless.

Microsoft cannot be help accountable for some vendor using crap hardware with poor drivers, can they.

Although lets not forget Apple are not perfect. As an example, most of us have been annoyed by poor WiFi on our new devices at some point and had to wait weeks/months for Apple to fix it with an update.
 
The crashes would have been your fault, you must have been installing crap applications, dodgy drivers etc. Windows XP rarely crashed by itself. The only other thing that leads to crashes on any type of machine is dodgy hardware.

Virus's? Again your fault. Get better security. There's more than enough products out there that do the job.

I ran XP since it was launched, and until I scrapped it in around 2008 I had 0 virus's over it's lifetime.

The virus's I did encounter during support work was always the fault of the user downloading something stupid. You can't legislate for that, virus protection or not.

And Windows 7 is pretty rock solid. No complaints from me. Windows 8 betters it in every area
That's total BS and quote insulting, the user fault nice dude. I have techs pulling their hair out because windows is so buggy.
 
Pardon me?
It could do it all. It had support for any Windows app as well as specially developed tablet apps. It acted like a Cintiq too which was the biggest reason why I wanted one.

So, you also bought one of those crapy tiny portable computers, which the Windows PC cartel were supposed to kill Apple with?

In abstract the Surface works, usability wise is ****.
Cannot do it all, simple.

What R&D is for anyway?
Do you think Apple did not try it, Jobs even mentioned the issue in the iPad Introduction/presentation.

It was not called a post PC thingy just as a gimmickry.

Microsoft didn’t do any homework, it just blast for the market share, to please the fools.
But fools actually think about usability in the end.
 
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That's all anecdotal evidence... I know many people who have had problems with OSX. I've been using Windows all my life, and I've never had a major issue with it. And Windows 7 actually is a huge improvement over a lot of their older iterations, at least in my experience.

You are an exception to a rule sir, congrats!
 
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