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We use the Surface Pro 3 and 4 at work: total disaster, the hardware is really bad. I broke four of them in a year, my colleagues as well. Using a casing and I'm really taking care of it. The screen just doesn't react to touch input anymore, or parts of it just ignore input or it decides to shatter/break in your briefcase. The housing is very weak, feels like thin plastic, the keyboard got a few hardware updates (we have seen three versions of it already). Windows is fine, performance is fine, durability is really bad. That compared to my 2017 iPad, which dropped on the floor a few times without any problem.
I have the SP4 and its been great, not sure what problems your talking about. I gave it to my wife to use for her work a couple months ago and she loves it too. Your issues must be "user error."
 
It's great that MS has stuck to its guns with the Surface series, and has improved it with every iteration. I use my Surface Pro more than all the other machines nowadays, as it is such a versatile product.

Despite being a big Surface Pro line fan, I'm pretty disappointed with this latest effort by Microsoft. The base price point is right up there with the better 2-in-1 Chromebooks, until you realize that it cuts too many corners. Battery life and CPU power, plus the eMMC for the 64Gb version mean that really the entry-level machine is the $549 8Gb/128Gb SSD, plus $99 for the keyboard = $650. That's a far cry from the $399, and it still doesn't fix the battery.
 
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I would try out that Pentium processor before I start recommending it to others. The Pentium has improved, but so have all the other chips.

Agreed, I would certainly try it first. However, I think the CPU is plenty for kind of things this is going to be used for, which is primarily running a web browser, looking at photos, MS office, etc.
 
I've got both a 2018 iPad and a Surface Pro 4 and the iPad gets 10 times more casual usage just because most of what I read has better apps on the iPad. Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, The Economist, a couple of local papers, Amazon Kindle, etc. are worlds ahead on the iPad.

Just the Kindle app alone would make my original 12.9 iPP worth the investment, especially for non-fiction books/note taking. I also digitized most of my studio art books (image-heavy) this past year and wow--what a delight it is to read those on the iPad.

Which means for me, with a Surface Go or any other tablet, the quality of the display is going to be my starting point.
 
no thanks. i'll wait until Microsoft figures out how to do Windows Updates properly.

The last few updates I ran on my Windows desktop and Surface Pro 3 have gone without a hitch. When I upgraded my 2013 Mac Pro to High Sierra, the install hung and left me with a partially working system. I had to restore from backup and try again. It worked the second time, but still...

I've been using Windows 10 side by side with macOS for a few years now and while there are still things I prefer about macOS (native UNIX terminal, iTerm2, Messages, Finder), Windows 10 has not been so bad. I prefer macOS's interface (to me, Finder > Explorer), but much of the hate I've seen thrown at Windows 10 either doesn't seem to affect me, or is simply just blind hatred similar to what I've seen Windows users have against macOS in the past.

YMMV I suppose.
 
M$ needs to fix their multi-touch. It is really painful to use the pen on the Surface Pro.
 
Windows S is going to hamstring this, given that you can only run apps from the windows app store. I see the word pentium in the description and I can't help but think in 2018, that means running really slow. I could be wrong, but I think the advantages of the iPad far outweigh what this offers

Look at it this way. You can attach this to a cheap usb-c docking station connected to a 27” screen and a mouse/keyboard and you have a complete workplace running full windows 10 (free option to disable S-mode is included).
For most office workers, the performance of this will be more than enough plus you can give your employees a sleek looking device all for just 399.
 
I have the SP4 and its been great, not sure what problems your talking about. I gave it to my wife to use for her work a couple months ago and she loves it too. Your issues must be "user error."

I have an SP3 and its also been great. I wish it had more RAM, so I've been thinking about upgrading. I'm having trouble deciding between a future SP or a SB. I wish Microsoft would create a Surface Pro that could attach to a Surface Book keyboard with discrete GPU. I would throw whatever amount of money (within reason, of course) that they'd want for that.

I think I've only ever had one issue with the SP3 and that was when I ran an especially buggy preview version of Windows 10 on it. Restored from backup and all was good again.
 
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I'll never understand the hang up with LTE.
Not only should it be available day and date, there shouldn't even be different skus.
Just put a LTE chip in all devices. It's just another hardware antenna, right?
I'm guessing when Apple opened the door to charging $130 more for a $3 piece of hardware it made everyone take notice.
It is more like a $20 piece of hardware but you are right.
 
I have the SP4 and its been great, not sure what problems your talking about. I gave it to my wife to use for her work a couple months ago and she loves it too. Your issues must be "user error."

Let me explain: we use them at work, business use, 2000 pieces! It went berzerk: our tech department ran out of stock, Microsoft in our country ran out of stock. I think it works fine when using at home, not for business use or to carry around. Just picked up a 'new' one, but the keys just broke of. That is with the first generation keyboard. Second gen keyboard ran out of stock. I presume you have a second or third gen keyboard: there is some space between the keys, those are fine.
 
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I'm sorry, but Apple commercials showing a kid using an iPad as his computer ("What's a computer", the kid says) clearly demonstrates that Apple thinks the iPad IS a replacement for a computer. And in my book, a computer needs a mouse. The iPad could really use mouse support.

They used to say that a cellphone needed a keyboard.
 
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Where do you get that Apple is heading to ARM? The project to easily migrate iOS apps to Mac? That isn't the same thing as what MS tried with ARM at all. No, they are still Mac Apps.

The problem is that this thing has a Pentium. People will enable desktop apps and then complain they run terribly.

Just Google "Apple Macbook ARM", ton of stories. Apple A -chips are faster and more low-power than for example Intel x86 5th gen. U-chips. Another thing is that Apple doesn't have to be on Intel's leash.

Pentium is faster than the latest Celeron N4200 and you can do even light productivity work with Celeron.
 
I don't think it's much different than the RT disaster, and even if it is the surface 3 didn't set any record sales and that had the same concept of being a lower priced/specced but full windows tablet. In fact the surface 3 was discontinued, most likely due to poor sales.

But in regard to comparing it to RT, I think it's a valid comparison. Firstly to get full windows users have to reinstall the OS. No it's not rocket science for us tech savvy users, it's not something a typical non technical oriented consumer can handle. It's also not common knowledge that you can upgrade for free, it's not even common knowledge that you can upgrade at all. I suppose I'll withhold judgement until I see the Windows S setup screen telling the consumer they have the option to install full windows, but I highly doubt that would ever happen. Plus there will be a LOT of confusion around windows S and full windows, consumers mostly have no clue windows S exists and they just expect windows to be windows.

IMO this IS the surface RT 2.0, and it will fail miserably just like the first one did. Keep in mind I'm most likely the BIGGEST Microsoft/surface line cheerleader on this forum.

It takes < 2 minutes for a Windows S to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, and it's basically a couple of clicks away, on a Windows Surface Laptop. I suspect the process will be very similar on the Surface Go, to upgrade to Windows 10 Home.

 
Today my (brand-name) office PC spent more than one hour of my time; while it was restarting/hanging - as a result of some MS-patches. Eventually, I turned it off; then it came back and asked for safe boot. After completing the boot; it works normally. The 2010 iMac on the other side of my office-desk runs circles around this pile of crap: logon for example; just to open mail.

Windows sucks, because it takes too much time to accomplish tasks which should be simple and fast.

You don't mention who made your "office PC", and whether its running an out of box Microsoft build, or some kludge that your IT department put on it. I have had a Surface Pro for a year and had no such issues, nor have I had anything similar on my company issued Dell laptop. I can say that over the last 10 years I've had no more or less problems with my Macs vs. Windows machines. And as for "it takes too much time", then you aren't taking the time to learn how to do things in Windows.
 
Almost, but not quite there for me it would run close to Surface Pro sale prices once you spec it out and get accessories.

If I was going to get a Surface mobile product it would probably be the Surface Book considering the prices when you spec and add accessories.

I am happy to see Microsoft trying though (I would be all over a Surface Studio 2). For my budget and mobile need though after I get rid of the 12.9” iPP, I will probably pick up an entry iPP 10.5”. I’ve got an extra new Apple Pencil and won’t bother with AC this time, so that is that. I have made peace with this as I have much bigger fish to fry.

As far as Windows, I will just run that Acer 2017 laptop as my primary school machine and learn W10 that way. I cannot commute with it, but I am not allowed to use work WiFi anyway so no big deal. I try so hard to leave Apple, but I’ll will leave when I am ready, not necessarily when I want to.
 
I pre-ordered the 8GB RAM/128 GB SSD model, but I'm thinking of canceling. I love tech, but the problem is I already got a HP 2in1 chromebook and a small Dell 7140 windows tablet plus a full size Dell 2in1 8th gen laptop. The fact is, I hardly use any of them at home anymore, I just use my Note 8 for everything. I had the iPad and sold it a few months ago, it was just sitting their gathering dust.

I am at the point now that I really don't have much of a need for a computer anymore for home. These big screen phones seemed to really have killed off the tablet and pc market. Even most of my friends, they just use their phones for everything. I got a few friends who's only computer is their phone period.

I've considered using just an iPhone X Plus once it comes out. I'll need to make a better assessment once I experience the screen size, but I have a feeling I'll miss my iPad Pro screen. I could do it though and it would be kind of nice to have just one device.
 
I don't like the design, well I also don't like windows or Microsoft for that matter but if you at the video at 25 seconds that look like it can easily break, no thank you I'll pass, this is just like android tablets you can put the price at 100 dollars and I won't buy one, simply because I don't like the product
 
Windows S is going to hamstring this, given that you can only run apps from the windows app store. I see the word pentium in the description and I can't help but think in 2018, that means running really slow. I could be wrong, but I think the advantages of the iPad far outweigh what this offers
The pentium chip in this surface is very similar to the chip in the current retina Macbook, just running at lower peak clock speeds so performance should be more than fine for basic computing tasks.
 
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The last few updates I ran on my Windows desktop and Surface Pro 3 have gone without a hitch. When I upgraded my 2013 Mac Pro to High Sierra, the install hung and left me with a partially working system. I had to restore from backup and try again. It worked the second time, but still...

I've been using Windows 10 side by side with macOS for a few years now and while there are still things I prefer about macOS (native UNIX terminal, iTerm2, Messages, Finder), Windows 10 has not been so bad. I prefer macOS's interface (to me, Finder > Explorer), but much of the hate I've seen thrown at Windows 10 either doesn't seem to affect me, or is simply just blind hatred similar to what I've seen Windows users have against macOS in the past.

YMMV I suppose.

i'm not talking about issues from updating. i'm talking about simple scenarios that Microsoft could have avoided. Example: I've had windows update restart my computer while I was playing a round of Overwatch. It's not hard to check to see if a user is currently using the system to avoid any sort of reboots.

I've seen Twitch streamers streaming to 500 viewers and then encounter a Windows Update that rebooted their computer in the middle of a live stream.

macOS handles it fine. yes it constantly pops up a notification asking you to update, but I've never had macOS restart in the middle of something.
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ETA on that ?
5 years to never
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I still don't understand Apple's aversion to a two in one device like this. Use it like an iPad and it works just like an iPad. Connect a mouse or trackpad and it works like a Mac. What's compromised?


There's stuff wrong with Microsoft's system, certainly, but I find they require considerably less downtime than MacOS updates do for me.

i've had windows reboot my computer in the middle of games and important work. this has been going on since Windows XP.
 
I don't see the appeal. Poor performance, no apps, poor battery life (assuming compared to other surface laptops), not a great tablet, and the accessories needed raise the price considerably. Why not just buy another cheap windows laptop that likely performs better? I don't compare against the iPad as one is a tablet and one is a laptop.

Where are you seeing the poor performance? It looks speedy in the video. I’m sure everyone here would like to know too.

Let’s be honest, you’re just trolling cause “Another cheap windows laptop” has less than half the resolution without pen support.
 
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It’s superior to the original iPad in one way and that’s it’s got a laminated display. I do love the Surface lineup and if they come out with a 120hz refresh rate tablet with 10 hour battery life I would give it a serious consideration.
 
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