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Bezels... Really Microsoft...in 2018?... REALLY?!?

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The hiccup to me is that EMMC memory. Every crappy tablet I've seen with eMMC memory that is the worst part. Trying to use Windows 10 on 64gb of eMMC? I can see this becoming a dog real fast.
 
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I am sure it will be fine for basic tasks, email, web, Word, Excel. Curious what the resolution will be. I currently use a Surface Pro for work(Core i7, 16 GB of RAM). When in the office, I dock it and use two 22 inch monitors, keyboard and mouse. When not in the office, I use it like a laptop, but some applications don't display properly due to the high DPI, that is my only negative I have, other than that is a decent device.
I also had high DPI issues. The latest Windows 10 update took care of most of them. I recommend doing a search for the other apps that are still causing your problems.
 
Might be possible after apple finally ships some Kaby Lake stuff. Don't expect the Intel wifi to ever get a driver. Also, sleep and power management will take a bunch of work to fix.
What? Apples MacBook line, MacBook Pro line, and iMac line all use kaby lake processors...
 
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It's hard to compare the two.

Surface is productivity tool
Full version of all programs - work productively on the go

iPad is a toy
Running apps like Pokemon Go and mobile version of Adobe and Office - definitely not suitable for school or work but perfect for kid's entertainment!
Obvious troll is obvious.
 
Might be possible after apple finally ships some Kaby Lake stuff. Don't expect the Intel wifi to ever get a driver. Also, sleep and power management will take a bunch of work to fix.
Right, it’s basically not worth it to Hackintosh these things. The poster should stick with easier laptops or compatible custom built PCs...And the pentium would not exactly be optimized for mac...
 
I don't think it's much different than the RT disaster, and even if it is the surface 3 didn't set any record sales and that had the same concept of being a lower priced/specced but full windows tablet. In fact the surface 3 was discontinued, most likely due to poor sales.

But in regard to comparing it to RT, I think it's a valid comparison. Firstly to get full windows users have to reinstall the OS. No it's not rocket science for us tech savvy users, it's not something a typical non technical oriented consumer can handle. It's also not common knowledge that you can upgrade for free, it's not even common knowledge that you can upgrade at all. I suppose I'll withhold judgement until I see the Windows S setup screen telling the consumer they have the option to install full windows, but I highly doubt that would ever happen. Plus there will be a LOT of confusion around windows S and full windows, consumers mostly have no clue windows S exists and they just expect windows to be windows.

IMO this IS the surface RT 2.0, and it will fail miserably just like the first one did. Keep in mind I'm most likely the BIGGEST Microsoft/surface line cheerleader on this forum.

Sorry, but you are wrong on so many things here.

You don’t have to reinstall Windows 10 to enable Home or Pro.

It is common knowledge if Home/Pro is needed, if it’s needed - When the user tries to install a non-app-store app, probably a prime example here is Chrome, they are offered the option to turn S mode off and are taken straight to the Microsoft Store to enable Home or Pro (with a charge where applicable).

Window 10 S behaves just like Windows 10 Home/Pro until there’s a need to change modes, and then it’s up front and centre that there’s the option to turn S mode off.

I don’t think the comparison is fair - Surface RT ran on ARM and had limited apps. Surface Go runs x86 apps from the Microsoft Store or from other sources if needed.

I think S mode has its place, and that place is education and possibly in the home. If iPad is used for content consumption (as I do) then I think it still wins.

This isn’t an effort to troll but an effort to give clear and concise information.

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So if someone has an attitude to all Apple products and Apple themselves, one is not allowed/supposed to own an iPad in your view? That logic still seems a bit flawed.
I hate cars, but I still own one to get from A to B.

People can own whatever products they want, but I do think it's a bit odd that someone would regularly express their disdain for iOS or Apple products and then own said product. If it were me, I just wouldn't own this product that I clearly don't like.
 
Everyone knows that the next iPad Pros are going to have Face ID.

So let’s have the big reveal be that - like the Surface keyboard - the new Smart Keyboard also has a track pad...

For real. Apple needs to add this for me to seriously consider an iPad Pro.
 
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Man, I love my Logitech Create. I have written over 39K words on Scrivener for iOS on mine.
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I would try out that Pentium processor before I start recommending it to others. The Pentium has improved, but so have all the other chips.

The Create, and Apple's own keyboard for the Pros, are probably the best of the bunch IMO. Though I still don't know why Apple didn't add backlighting to their own keyboard. A major flaw.
 
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Also makes you wonder, if the Pentium Gold processor could run Windows in full desktop mode properly, why not have that as the default? Isn't their whole thing that it's a full desktop computer in a tablet?
Microsoft wants the App store-style ecosystem on Windows. One way to do it is to lock away the ability to run programs outside the Window store. Besides, many people had been crying out for a "leaner" Windows. MS delivered, and nobody liked it because in reality, majority of Windows users have been trained to be able to run any .exe file they can find for decades.

In fact, this "S mode" is not new as MS did it before already and it failed. I was called Windows RT. So this is just WinRT 2.0. Luckily, it was based on the same Windows 10 so people can upgrade to the regular Windows 10.

I'm sure the goal is to streamline the apps on Windows into UWP, and then through time, get rid of all the legacy stuff.
 
At least it has mouse support.... iPad isn't great for remote desktop etc.

It has mouse support because it's a laptop. An iPad is a tablet that uses touch as it's primary input.

I'm sorry, but Apple commercials showing a kid using an iPad as his computer ("What's a computer", the kid says) clearly demonstrates that Apple thinks the iPad IS a replacement for a computer. And in my book, a computer needs a mouse. The iPad could really use mouse support.
 
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If it performs well, this could be a winner. Hopefully this lights a fire under Apple to up their game.
Microsoft actually is doing this to go against Chromebooks. Apple has always had its own customers and market share. Meanwhile, Chromebooks are slowly eating Microsoft's pie on the low end.
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I'm sorry, but Apple commercials showing a kid using an iPad as his computer ("What's a computer", the kid says) clearly demonstrates that Apple thinks the iPad IS a replacement for a computer. And in my book, a computer needs a mouse. The iPad could really use mouse support.
It's not the computer that needs a mouse, it's the UI. Change the UI, and a computer can be without a mouse. Windows needs a mouse. iOS doesn't.
 
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I'm sorry, but Apple commercials showing a kid using an iPad as his computer ("What's a computer", the kid says) clearly demonstrates that Apple thinks the iPad IS a replacement for a computer. And in my book, a computer needs a mouse. The iPad could really use mouse support.

No reason to be sorry. Well sure, the iPad definitely can be a laptop replacement for some people. It has for me (work and personal use). A mouse isn't necessary to make it laptop replacement though, it just depends on the user and their tasks. I would be totally fine with Apple bringing mouse support to the iPad in some productivity apps, but it's not all that necessary for me. I use a lot of keyboard shortcuts personally.
 
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The hiccup to me is that EMMC memory. Every crappy tablet I've seen with eMMC memory that is the worst part. Trying to use Windows 10 on 64gb of eMMC? I can see this becoming a dog real fast.
They got the 8GB RAM/128GB SSD model that has an actual SSD. Its like 150 bucks more but worth it for the extra ram.
 
Apps are going to make or break this device. At 10" with a Pentium processor it is going to compete with the iPad and iPad Pro. Microsoft needs devs to embrace progressive web apps (PWA) that will yield a satisfying consumption experience in tablet mode.

I've got both a 2018 iPad and a Surface Pro 4 and the iPad gets 10 times more casual usage just because most of what I read has better apps on the iPad. Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, The Economist, a couple of local papers, Amazon Kindle, etc. are worlds ahead on the iPad. Web browsing is also quite a bit better as things render too small on the Surface screen and when I crank the display scaling up to 2X a lot of the content starts to overlap or disappear off the side of the screen.

The Surface Pro is a very good productivity device that can run full versions of many desktop apps. The Surface Go is going to choke on a lot of them with its extremely limited memory. Microsoft simply must get competitive, efficient apps out there if it will ever compete with the iPad.
 
We use the Surface Pro 3 and 4 at work: total disaster, the hardware is really bad. I broke four of them in a year, my colleagues as well. Using a casing and I'm really taking care of it. The screen just doesn't react to touch input anymore, or parts of it just ignore input or it decides to shatter/break in your briefcase. The housing is very weak, feels like thin plastic, the keyboard got a few hardware updates (we have seen three versions of it already). Windows is fine, performance is fine, durability is really bad. That compared to my 2017 iPad, which dropped on the floor a few times without any problem.
 
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I pre-ordered the 8GB RAM/128 GB SSD model, but I'm thinking of canceling. I love tech, but the problem is I already got a HP 2in1 chromebook and a small Dell 7140 windows tablet plus a full size Dell 2in1 8th gen laptop. The fact is, I hardly use any of them at home anymore, I just use my Note 8 for everything. I had the iPad and sold it a few months ago, it was just sitting their gathering dust.

I am at the point now that I really don't have much of a need for a computer anymore for home. These big screen phones seemed to really have killed off the tablet and pc market. Even most of my friends, they just use their phones for everything. I got a few friends who's only computer is their phone period.
 
Apple should release a true Mac tablet. iOS is a limited jailed-sandboxed toy without an accesible file system and lacking USB port among other shocking limitations.
 
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