If someone finds some Apple products lacking one can not own an iPad? That logic seems a bit flawed.
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If someone finds some Apple products lacking one can not own an iPad? That logic seems a bit flawed.
So Intel is sticking with this Bronze, Silver, Gold naming scheme huh?
Sigh
Sigh
You’ve often posted on this forum about the shortcomings of iOS so I just find it suprising that you would even buy an iPad considering that it runs iOS.
Also I was alive in the 80’s
I just really don't see it as a competitor to the iPad at all. I use my iPad (the $329 2017 version, I haven't upgraded yet to the Pencil-compatible 2018 version) as a tablet, not as a replacement for my Chromebook or my MacBook Pro. As a tablet, nothing beats the iPad, which is the only tablet that has a large marketplace of touch-optimized, tablet apps.
However, I carry a thin Samsung Chromebook also with me because I found trying to navigate on Windows over Microsoft Remote Desktop, but without a mouse or touchpad, to be clunky and unintuitive, and I need RDP to connect to Windows servers.
As others have said, this is essentially a small Windows laptop sold without the keyboard (extra). I'm still interested in it for what it is, but it is nothing like an iPad.
However, I carry a thin Samsung Chromebook also with me because I found trying to navigate on Windows over Microsoft Remote Desktop, but without a mouse or touchpad, to be clunky and unintuitive, and I need RDP to connect to Windows servers.
As others have said, this is essentially a small Windows laptop sold without the keyboard (extra). I'm still interested in it for what it is, but it is nothing like an iPad.
Apple does appear to let other companies influence their product line-up. Apple initially said "no" to 7-8" iPads.... until... 7-8" Android tablets began selling in sufficient quantities to get Apple's attention. Then they produced the iPad Mini. They also said no to phablets... until Android phablets sold in sufficient numbers.
I don't think it's much different than the RT disaster, and even if it is the surface 3 didn't set any record sales and that had the same concept of being a lower priced/specced but full windows tablet. In fact the surface 3 was discontinued, most likely due to poor sales.
But in regard to comparing it to RT, I think it's a valid comparison. Firstly to get full windows users have to reinstall the OS. No it's not rocket science for us tech savvy users, it's not something a typical non technical oriented consumer can handle. It's also not common knowledge that you can upgrade for free, it's not even common knowledge that you can upgrade at all. I suppose I'll withhold judgement until I see the Windows S setup screen telling the consumer they have the option to install full windows, but I highly doubt that would ever happen. Plus there will be a LOT of confusion around windows S and full windows, consumers mostly have no clue windows S exists and they just expect windows to be windows.
IMO this IS the surface RT 2.0, and it will fail miserably just like the first one did. Keep in mind I'm most likely the BIGGEST Microsoft/surface line cheerleader on this forum.
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And the point of shipping this with the S version instead of normal 10 is what exactly???
Seriously, sometimes companies just don’t think when they take such decisions, knowing how crappy the S version is and the majority of buyers will be switching to normal windows, since it’s free! I think the S version is a complete disaster fyi...
And the point of shipping this with the S version instead of normal 10 is what exactly???
Seriously, sometimes companies just don’t think when they take such decisions, knowing how crappy the S version is and the majority of buyers will be switching to normal windows, since it’s free! I think the S version is a complete disaster fyi...
I was being generous when I said lacking and the attitude seems to encompass all Apple products and Apple themselves.
I think the days when Apple would set the default/norm in a market are long gone, at least until now. A lot of times they are more followers than leaders, with some exceptions of course!
This annoys me to no end as well, don't forget the $130 or so premium the LTE model will run, which is mostly just licensing cost. I suppose this is how the industry runs, as Apple also has a non LTE model and I get that consumers want a lower priced option if they don't feel the need to have connectivity. But having cellular hardware is still grossly overpriced, and needlessly delayed.
So if someone has an attitude to all Apple products and Apple themselves, one is not allowed/supposed to own an iPad in your view? That logic still seems a bit flawed.
I hate cars, but I still own one to get from A to B.
LMAO! That's what I would use it for. I'm not sure what Go programmer is using MSFT OS for programming though. That's like torture.
The point is to not run slowly and have better battery life, both of which will be negated the second a user installs full windows. Plus it's not like the battery life is anything to write home about, 9 hours translated to real life is probably closer to 4.5 hours, and that's with Windows S, I shudder to think how long it will run on full windows.
This was definitely not a smart decision. I always wondered how MS could have ever released Windows RT, even though it was a stupid decision and everyone knew it at the time of release, they could be excused for trying something new, taking a risk. This time around they have 20/20 vision, but are making the same exact mistake as RT. Very surreal.
[doublepost=1531238522][/doublepost]My god, are the bezels larger than the surface pro bezels?!? This on the eve of Apple announcing slim bezels all around, or at least rumored to be. This device looks antiquated even by 2015 standards.
Edit: YES, yes the bezels are much larger than the ones on the surface pro. Bleh.
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So 550 for the decent model. Another 130 for the keyboard plus 99 if you want the pen. That's close to 800 bucks for something that is slower, most likely gets hotter and worse battery life than an iPad Pro for the same price. But the upside is that you can run all your Spyware and Malware on the Go....
Today my (brand-name) office PC spent more than one hour of my time; while it was restarting/hanging - as a result of some MS-patches. Eventually, I turned it off; then it came back and asked for safe boot. After completing the boot; it works normally. The 2010 iMac on the other side of my office-desk runs circles around this pile of crap: logon for example; just to open mail.
Windows sucks, because it takes too much time to accomplish tasks which should be simple and fast.
Windows sucks, because it takes too much time to accomplish tasks which should be simple and fast.
[doublepost=1531239418][/doublepost]The apple store sees thousands a day in the aventura florida store. It is packed with cool people. The MS store has like 5 people in it. Remarkable.
Microsoft yesterday unveiled the 10-inch Surface Go, the company's smallest and lightest tablet computer to date. Priced at $399, the device is aimed at the same $500-and-under market as Apple's 9.7-inch iPad, which starts at $329.
Looks-wise, the Go is basically a smaller version of the $799 Surface Pro, including the integrated kickstand and a front-facing camera above the 1800 x 1200 resolution IPS touchscreen display.
On the right side of the Go is a magnetic Surface Connector port for charging and connecting to a desktop dock, one USB-C port, and a headphone jack, with a microSD card slot located underneath the hinge.
Inside, the Go features a fanless Kaby Lake dual-core Intel Pentium Gold processor, 4GB or 8GB RAM, and 64GB or 128GB solid-state storage. Microsoft claims the Go has up to 9 hours of battery life.
Weighing in at 1.15lbs, the Go is slightly heavier than Apple's iPad. Like the Surface Pro, the Go supports the $99 Surface Pen (Apple added Apple Pencil support to its $329 iPad in March) and optional keyboard cover, which starts at $99 in black, with four color options costing $129. The optional Surface Mobile Mouse costs $35.
Off the shelf, Surface Go devices will run Windows 10 in "S mode", a streamlined version of Microsoft's desktop OS that only runs verified apps downloaded from the Windows Store, although customers can switch to the regular version of Windows 10 at no additional cost. For business customers, Microsoft is also offering a Surface Go with Windows 10 Pro installed for $449.
The $399 Surface Go ships August 2 in the U.S. and two dozen other markets, with Wi-Fi versions available initially and LTE versions to come later in the year.
Article Link: Microsoft Takes on Apple's Entry-Level iPad With 10-inch 'Surface Go' Starting at $399
But they have that cool interesting robot in the MS store. Apple stores do tend to get packed.
They suck, because after two decades, a multi-billion company still can’t seem to get it and includes hassle after hassle with every freaking version...
It's hard to compare the two.
Surface is productivity tool
Full version of all programs - work productively on the go
iPad is a toy
Running apps like Pokemon Go and mobile version of Adobe and Office - definitely not suitable for school or work but perfect for kid's entertainment!
Surface is productivity tool
Full version of all programs - work productively on the go
iPad is a toy
Running apps like Pokemon Go and mobile version of Adobe and Office - definitely not suitable for school or work but perfect for kid's entertainment!
Good to see competition, but I've been finding less and less uses for my iPad lately. I either use my MBP or go right to my phone, even for movies these days. Just easier, and especially with my AirPods I don't need the louder speakers of an iPad anymore. Only real use I get out of an iPad these days is Hearthstone and I barely play that anymore. I like the iPad experience it's amazing but I just can't seem to find uses for it, I'm always going right outside the lines of needing one.
Might be possible after apple finally ships some Kaby Lake stuff. Don't expect the Intel wifi to ever get a driver. Also, sleep and power management will take a bunch of work to fix.
Well why would I logically buy an apple device if I spend all my time on an Apple centric forum criticising them and all their products.
It’s not like there aren’t other tablets available to buy.
I am sure it will be fine for basic tasks, email, web, Word, Excel. Curious what the resolution will be. I currently use a Surface Pro for work(Core i7, 16 GB of RAM). When in the office, I dock it and use two 22 inch monitors, keyboard and mouse. When not in the office, I use it like a laptop, but some applications don't display properly due to the high DPI, that is my only negative I have, other than that is a decent device.