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Microsoft thinks iTunes will fail

Originally posted by Sailfish
DRM to Microsoft is a tool of control, subjection and dominance.

DRM to Apple is just something to keep the RIAA happy, they know it's not going to work in the long run, the object is to get people to buy rather than steal music like a thief.
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Oh, don't be fooled, Apple can play the lock-in game as well as the rest of them.

Make no mistake about it, iTunes Music Store exists for one reason and one reason only: to sell iPods. Apple are being very clear about that.

Are there going to be players other than iPod that can use Apple's protected AAC files? I'm sure that will happen promptly after Apple resumes allowing Mac clones and ships OS X for Intel PCs.
 
Originally posted by mrogers9
One question, when I eventually get a Mac, I will be able to transfer the songs I have purchased thus far to that system, right? I see no reason why I couldn’t.
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Yep. You can copy them over, and "authorize" them on your new computer.

If you are getting rid of your old computer, remember to deauthorize it before getting rid of it.

Beyond that, you can have any mix (Mac or PC) of 3 computers authorized to play your songs.

arn
 
Microsoft must actually have concerns about loosing business or they would not have made that comment. They are in the position of being so large the it is hard for them to change. Microsoft should look to Japan when it comes to copying, look at there economy.
 
Eventually someone is going to create a ACC to MP3/AIFF/etc converter.
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iTunes can already do this for aac, just not with iTMS DRM'd songs.
That is unless you are burning to CD – then you ca nset your preferences to burn the iTMS songs to either aiff or mp3.
 
Originally posted by panphage
[B3. Will RIP a CD to the harddrive in MP3 or AAC with a variety of qualities to choose from.
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or if you don't want any loss from your cd it can rip to hard drive in AIFF
 
Templates for creating CD covers

I have an applescript which, creates a template for front, back and edge graphics and text automatically, opening the template in Appleworks, it should also work with Word. I will do some research and locate the source. The problem will probably be that these iTunes scripts work on Macs only. Sorry, but now you WinPeeps know how it feels
The scripts are from Apple:

http://www.apple.com/applescript/itunes/
 
Microsoft maybe right and iTunes may fail. If it happens it will be because a monopoly used its power illegally to force new markets to adopt its inferior standards and products (ie windows media). At least right now Apple has made it clear that it will give Microsoft a run for its money in this new market. I'd love to see if Microsoft has contracts with other music sites. Anyone want to bet they forbid the use of anything but WMA?

Another very good thing about this move to windows iTunes is that it will get Quicktime on many, many more computers. That may help in convincing web sites who don't now do so to also use Quicktime.
 
Isnt that standard MS operating proceedure?

Originally posted by Sayhey
Microsoft maybe right and iTunes may fail. If it happens it will be because a monopoly used its power illegally to force new markets to adopt its inferior standards and products (ie windows media). At least right now Apple has made it clear that it will give Microsoft a run for its money in this new market. I'd love to see if Microsoft has contracts with other music sites. Anyone want to bet they forbid the use of anything but WMA?
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I think that is a standard clause in any contract MS signs. Which is what got them in such hot water the first 2 times with the government. Well one of the reasons. I could be wrong.
 
FANTASTIC!

I have three PCs and five Macs in my household.

I can now use iTunes in all of them. I can store the MP3s and AACs on one and stream them to the others. This is fantastic!

And iTunes and Quicktime 6.4 are FREE.

The trojan horse is actually Quicktime! iTunes for Windows installs Quicktime into the PC. This will grow Quicktime's/MPEG-4's share tremendously as a multimedia standard!

Note that Quicktime use to contain the entire MacOS programming toolbox - even on the Windows version. It was as close to creating a MacOS on Windows as Apple has ever done.

With the FREE iTunes installing Quicktime to all PCs, Apple has opened the possibility to MPEG-4 being THE Standard for video distribution.

Now that Apple has brought in Audiobooks into the mix with iTunes, it is easy to envision bringing in MPEG-4. In fact, the music videos you can watch on Quicktime 6 and from iTunes are already in MPEG-4 format!!!! Music videos can eventually be replaced by MOVIES!
 
I think it is brilliant that apple made the pepsi deal while releasing itunes for pc. How many windows users are going to try out itunes so that they can get a free song? Plenty. With the ad on the superbowl, they are going to get a ton of exposure. It is brilliant marketing.
 
Re: Portable AAC players

These players won't play songs purchased from Apple's Music Store. Apple is using their own DRM-version of AAC, which is not the same as "normal" unprotected AAC. So, you really are locked into the iPod as your only portable player if you purchase songs from Apple's Store. Also, don't expect to see an iTunes AAC-to-MP3 converter EVER. Apple would be breaking their licensing agreement with the record labels if they offered such a feature. You can burn a CD and then rip it back into MP3 or unprotected AAC, but you'll lose audio quality in the process.

Personally, I don't see why it would be such a crime for the iPod to support WMA. Ideally, the iPod should be able to play whatever music formats a user may have in their music collection. The mantra should be: "You've got music? Play it on an iPod."

Otherwise, Apple may be making the same mistake Sony made in its choice of Beta over the competing VHS in video tape formats years ago.


Originally posted by maxtrax
Looks like there are already a few AAC/MP3 players out there staring at like $80. So what the hell is MS talking about, closed system ONLY if you have an iPod. I really can't stand them....

click here to see the list I found in 5 seconds through Google
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Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Now, Apple has two choices: license Fairplay or not. I say they should license it. First, didn't they learn their lesson with the mac OS?
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When they licensed the Mac OS, Apple almost died.

Originally posted by iMeowbot
It belongs to Veridisc, a division of Circle Group Holdings.

Veridisc seem to have forgotten to renew their domain registration and some pr0n site grabbed it, but you can get to their info from the parent company's site at http://www.crgq.com/HTML/eMentorComp.html, or a direct link to Fairplay at http://64.244.235.240/
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Are you sure that's the same thing?

Originally posted by webmasterkai
Players around $100 usually hold 64MB worth of songs. About 80 min of music.

If someone wants a cheap option buy a hundred 80 min CDR's for $20 and use them in any cd player. :D
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The cost of a CD burner, the CD-R's, and the CD burner is more than $100. Then again, if you already have a CD burner, it's less. And it's a better deal.
 
To iPost

1. Was here a few posts ago:

The Nokia 5510 Mobile Phone supports MP3 and protected (!) AAC.

See http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,659,00.html

- or it is a typo on the page.

2. AAC with DRM is part of QuickTime. Thus it will be available soon on devices supporting QT 6.4 or greater. Such devices are:
- Mac OS X machines (you can play AAC/p without iTunes)
- Windows XP machines

I hope that - since mobile phones will use QuickTime for 3GP - that mobile phones will support AAC/p soon.

Sure, Apple makes money with the iPod and not with the store, but do you really belive that Apple does all this to make money with the iPod? The iPod will be a hit this year, next year and maybe another year, but then...

Burning AAC/p to CD will not lose quality, I assume. So converting AAC/p to AIFF is possible without loss of quality. I believe that in 5-10 years they will disable this "unlimited burning to unprotected media".
 
Re: To iPost

Originally posted by mathematician
The Nokia 5510 Mobile Phone supports MP3 and protected (!) AAC.
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It's not the same thing. Nokia uses LockStream for DRM, not FairPlay. This is one of really annoying parts of MPEG 4, it provides hooks for DRM but not a standard method .

(In fairness, this whole DRM thing is still fairly new and shaking out, so it was probably too early to standardize at that level.)

2. AAC with DRM is part of QuickTime. Thus it will be available soon on devices supporting QT 6.4 or greater. Such devices are:
- Mac OS X machines (you can play AAC/p without iTunes)
- Windows XP machines

I hope that - since mobile phones will use QuickTime for 3GP - that mobile phones will support AAC/p soon.
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Few cell phone vendors are using Windows (even CE), and of course none run OS X, so it's not easy to guess what parts of QT might end up in mainstream phones :/

Sure, Apple makes money with the iPod and not with the store, but do you really belive that Apple does all this to make money with the iPod? The iPod will be a hit this year, next year and maybe another year, but then...
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...there can be high-capacity models that look more like they belong to a stereo system, players to go with iMovie and iPhoto, and so on.

Also, the hard drives in those units do have finite lifetimes. They'll eventually need to be replaced -- perhaps with a beefier model that can hold 10,000 uncompressed songs. Fibre to the home is finally starting to get deployed, and Apple did experiment with that sort of content delivery before the infrastructure was really there...
 
How to win in marketing or politics

Instructions:
1. Open mouth.
2. Insert foot.

Some of these marketing people would probably make good politicians by the way they conveniently 'forget' the other side of the story or key arguments. The way that Dave Fester talked, it sounded like iTunes is only good for getting songs through the iTMS. Gee, wouldn't it be GREAT if iTunes could also play CDs, MP3s, and rip tracks from a CD to your hard drive as an MP3! Wow, that would be great...oh, yeah, it already does that. I guess that means iTunes isn't as gimped as the article tried to make it sound like. Sheesh. Get your facts straight first, then we'll talk.
 
All I have to say, been away for a week so sorry if this is not the right place, is that I just downloaded the new iTunes and wow, apple has really listened to people. The new options and updated look really enhance the experience, I can't wait for future releases.

As for WMP vs AAC, I feel that it is sort of like expecting the mac version of photoshop to run on a windows os, you are buying a license and it is non transferable, when using iTunes on the windows, you are in a mac like environment, iTunes for windows is very non conforming to the windows style. Consumers do have an option, there is no reason why they can not use both the WMP services and the iTunes service, I know many iTunes users, supporters, that do not even have iPods, they just play through their system.

I feel that Apple is doing right, they are including others, even if it is pepsi, I don't drink soda, I think they should get Ben and Jerry's involved.
 
nice marketing

I think that this is great for Apple.

Um someone mentioned mp4 for video content on cellphones. The current standard enjoyed by GSM/GPRS/cdma (all versions) I forgot which one but currently that standard as well as what QuickTime 6.0 and above can do is being used by NTT DoCoMo in Japan.
 
Originally posted by zim


I feel that Apple is doing right, they are including others, even if it is pepsi, I don't drink soda, I think they should get Ben and Jerry's involved.
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I think the Ben and Jerry's idea is brilliant! iCe cream and iPods and iTunes: what's not to like?
 
pepsi deal

This pepsi deal is just amazing!

even if hell freezes over again and they don't kick off big in the pc world, apple will still be able to say "over one hundred million songs downloaded"

whoever came up with that idea deserves the world
-jail
 
only iPod? erm

I'm a little confused. Are people trying to make out that iTunes only supports the iPod? or iPod/iTunes won't support WMA? Or the iTMS aac format isn't supported by everyone yet?

Though isn't aac/mp4 and open source format where microsofts isn't?

I have an iPod now but for over a year used my Rio 600 quite happily with iTunes without any problems. The Rio also could take WMA files.
 
i believe its ONLY the iTMS AAC files which can only play on the ipod, not other mp3 players as of yet.

theres nothing to stop you burning them to audio cd then ripping them back as regular AAC or MP3 files tho.

seems pretty much like a non-argument to me.
 
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