Microsoft to Launch iPhone Rival on Verizon Early Next Year?

[Anuba]

At least Apple is making money off Macs and they are clearly the only company offering an alternative for consumers, Linux is irrelevant. Many companies have fallen against Windows but Apple is still here offering an alternative for us and they are making a killing of Macs not unlike the money losing "ipod killer."

It's good to have Apple around, it seems like they're the only ones who are inspiring MS to try harder.

The original Zune was an ugly PoS, but the new Zune HD actually looks well designed and has a couple of features that iPods don't (HDMI and wireless sync). At some point they're going to find their own Jonathan Ive. If the phone looks anything like the Zune HD, it's gonna be a lot more attractive than the butt-ugly Google phone, the Palm Pre and most of the Blackberries...

 

[Pnut13]

Verizon fails at coverage and CS service.

As for Windows Live Spaces, its a small service thats starting out. I don't think its great nor do I bash it since I haven't used it; however, I have seen it and know of it.

Verizon doesnt suck in most areas, Chicago as you say, i live on Long Island and have never had a problem losing calls

MS did it with Xbox. They can do with the new phone as well. Funny how so many people here bash MS and at the same time own an Xbox360 hehe.

I have a PS3 qnd Wii and i wont buy a gaming system that breaks that happens to do online gaming "great" woopie friggin DO

Well, Microsoft knows how to treat developers. Visual Studio is another thing that microsoft apparently got right. Treat developers good and they will create products and spend money on advertising pushing the product and locking people into underlining architecture (Windows). Makes sense.

Developers are only one thing, if they do only so so on everything else it wont matter
Look if they were so good with developers on their Software on the 360 would make them the clear cut #1 they are well far behind the Nintendo Wii (a kids system that "sucks" :sarcasm

And yet many of the mac users here that like to bash MS own a Xbox360. If they can take majority share away from the dominant sony playstation without any innovation, imagine what they could with some!

They are winning because sony is too much on the Blu Ray and not looking at other things. It is because of Sony;s fail and their cheap price that are helping them into the #2 spot but as far as this gen of consoles, nintendo is still far ahead

ANd

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have a nice piece of innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular. Let's see Apple taking a crack at the gaming market and see how well it does.

Who cares about that if you dont play online? I dont...and i know i am not the only one.....i actually have friends that i sit down with in the same room (better to talk smack too) Plus IMO 1st person shooter stink (and that is what most "online" gamers want to play. Other than Madden

Agreed and the main reason it's beating Sony. I think the Xbox was the first console to come with an integrated hard drive.

To say Microsoft didn't innovate with the X-box product line is disingenuous.

Oh a HD what an inovation, acts like that is such a big deal.....games have gone from cards to save on to HDD's because most games now need the extra space in Bytes to hold the saves, plus now people download Netflix and such. So saying that is "innovation" when it really was necessity on MS's and Sonys.

 

[BMWFan]

Oh a HD what an inovation, acts like that is such a big deal.....games have gone from cards to save on to HDD's because most games now need the extra space in Bytes to hold the saves, plus now people download Netflix and such. So saying that is "innovation" when it really was necessity on MS's and Sonys.

When Apple does it, it's "innovation". When MS does it, it's "necessity". Amirite?

 

[Michael CM1]

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have a nice piece of innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular. Let's see Apple taking a crack at the gaming market and see how well it does.

I haven't used an Xbox 360 or PS3, so I don't know anything about the "online experience." But the main reason the Xbox 360 leads is because it was out a year earlier. I'm pretty sure Sony's delay was caused by using Blu-ray Disc as a medium. They lost a couple hundred bucks on those units at first, and may still lose about that much now. But a year's head start has put the 360 above the PS3, not to mention the lower price.

I own a Wii, but if I were to get one of the higher-end game systems, I'd go with a PS3. People rave about how fast it plays BDs and the games are pretty similar between those two.

As far as the "integrated hard drive" claim of innovation I saw, puh-lease. Unless you're talking about the original Xbox, Sony beat Microsoft to the punch on actually having a HDD. The PS2 was able to use one a few years ago on a few games. Naturally, Sony still sells 8MB cards for $25, which is probably the main reason the PS2 is still sold. Those 8MB cards probably cost 20 cents to make. That's a nifty markup when you can get 4GB flash cards for $20.

 

[powers74]

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I'm no fan of Microsoft but let's be fair. Microsoft showed great innovation with the GUI-based operating system by making it run on a wider selection of hardware. That was an innovation that Apple famously refused to pursue and, for that, Microsoft rightly gets credit for introducing the world to the GUI. Was that not an innovative move?

Maybe. But the reason Bill did that was not to be smart or innovative, or because he wanted it to be a good product, or because he wanted to introduce the GUI to the masses or anything like that. He just wanted to make a $#!t-ton of money.

 

[Goona]

I know right? Apple needs to give other companies a chance to make good products.

LOL.

 

[Goona]

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have a nice piece of innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular. Let's see Apple taking a crack at the gaming market and see how well it does.

Yeah I'm sure Apple will do pretty well if they pour 6 billion and lose money for many years but yet still come up second every time, lol.

 

[BMWFan]

Maybe. But the reason Bill did that was not to be smart or innovative, or because he wanted it to be a good product, or because he wanted to introduce the GUI to the masses or anything like that. He just wanted to make a $#!t-ton of money.

I'm sorry, but every company, even Apple, releases "innovations" to make money.

Yeah I'm sure Apple will do pretty well if they pour 6 billion and lose money for many years but yet still come up second every time, lol.

Well they're spending a lot on their Macs and look where they're. I will assume you will reply with the standard "market share != quality" argument. But you can similarly use the same argument with the MS products that have come in the second

 

[iceman73]

Code name "Pink"? Ooooooooo I'm really scared at this non-threatening product. Just another flop.

 

[powers74]

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I'm sorry, but every company, even Apple, releases "innovations" to make money.

Why do you put innovations in quotations like that? I wonder if you understand what innovation means. The way I see the two, they are completely separate concepts.

So a company sells a product to make money. Right. Anyone can do that.
Apple does it, M-soft does it, Sony does it. They all make money doing that, I'm not knocking any of them for making money on the products they sell.

Innovation, the way I see it is a little less tangible. Like combining a mobile phone, and MP3 player, and a PDA into one insanely easy to use product. Like finding astonishingly simple ways to install hard drives and RAM in a desktop. Like an email program that recognizes appointments so you can easily set a date or to-do with a reminder, contacts and locations. Like a home computer that reduces a nightmareish web of cords and wires to one.

Just because Gates sold his software to multiple vendors doesn't make his product innovative. As an innovative way to make money, sure, I guess that's the first time that had been done. The poster made it sound like windows was innovative because it was sold to multiple vendors, which doesn't make sense. To me anyway.

As I see it, products, a company makes money on. Innovation is a level of intellectual effort that goes into the development of a product. I'm not trying to be a dick, I am just confused as to why both the original poster and yourself seem to think M-soft is so "innovative".

 

[nefan65]

Awesome...I can't wait. A phone that doesn't work, on a network that cripples phones.

"You don't have 3G anywhere in this your area...but it's okay, because it looks like your phone locked up".

 

[Pnut13]

When Apple does it, it's "innovation". When MS does it, it's "necessity". Amirite?

Apple was the first company ot get rid of 3.5 floppy dish drives, they didnt do this out of necessity they did it because a cd is 486X larger, it wasnt an innovation it was more of seing ahead like MS, which is not "innovation" when they(Microsoft) are not the ones to invent the hard drive just like apple wasnt the one that invented CD bruners and drives. So no Apple is not but neither is M$


In a different way..... Apples ipod was 1GB @$400when everybody elses was 128KB at $150. Sure the apple one is 2.5 X more expensive, but it was 8 x bigger in size. Apple was not invating but smart.
Innovating is comming out with a product that changes things forever..............like a Hybrid car to a Gas one. Like Facebook to myspace

 

[Goona]

I'm sorry, but every company, even Apple, releases "innovations" to make money.



Well they're spending a lot on their Macs and look where they're. I will assume you will reply with the standard "market share != quality" argument. But you can similarly use the same argument with the MS products that have come in the second

Yeah I'm sure Apple has been pouring billions into Macs while making no money of them.

 

[StuBeck]

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

Exactly! If nothing else, Microsoft has been proven to make Apple do price cuts (30GB iPod went down $50 when the Zune came out) so I don't understand all the negative comments. If you don't like it, don't buy it!

 

[Goona]

Exactly! If nothing else, Microsoft has been proven to make Apple do price cuts (30GB iPod went down $50 when the Zune came out) so I don't understand all the negative comments. If you don't like it, don't buy it!

So Apple did that because of the money loosing Zune?

 

[haravikk]

I thought this was Microsoft's iPhone rival?

 

[randyhudson]

Aaaaaand... you lost me. But, I guess better than brown, eh Zune?

One more failed consumer device, and we should be able to make some nice Neapolitan paperweights.

 

[DesignerOnMac]

Well, before saying that, look where Windows has got them.

Micro$$ is where it is because since the beginning if you wanted a PC and went to a retail store ALL PCs came with WINDOZ INSTALLED!

End of Story!

 

[cycomiko]

So Apple did that because of the money loosing Zune?

Just like apple magically matched the newer zunes 8/16gb setup while brushing the 4gb release under the carpet, or canada, one of the two.

competition works in many wonderful ways...

 

[cycomiko]

Micro$$ is where it is because since the beginning if you wanted a PC and went to a retail store ALL PCs came with WINDOZ INSTALLED!

End of Story!

All of the PCs in the store could have come with Apples OS on them...

but somehow microsoft managed to get there...

 

[jav6454]

Verizon doesnt suck in most areas, Chicago as you say, i live on Long Island and have never had a problem losing calls

...

I never said Chicago....

 

[Goona]

Micro$$ is where it is because since the beginning if you wanted a PC and went to a retail store ALL PCs came with WINDOZ INSTALLED!

End of Story!

I went into Best Buy and all the computers there run Windows with the exception of the Macs on the side. I mean essentially for consumers buying computers they only have 2 choices, Macs or PCs and in a lot of cases only Windows. Pitiful ain't it?

Funny what being handed a monopoly, when Microsoft has to actually compete in other markets, they fail to build monopolies through their "superior products."

 

[Goona]

Just like apple magically matched the newer zunes 8/16gb setup while brushing the 4gb release under the carpet, or canada, one of the two.

competition works in many wonderful ways...

Another story planted to make Zune users happy that they are somehow providing competition despite Zunes losing millions of dollars for Microsoft, competition indeed.

 

[jav6454]

I went into Best Buy and all the computers there run Windows with the exception of the Macs on the side. I mean essentially for consumers buying computers they only have 2 choices, Macs or PCs and in a lot of cases only Windows. Pitiful ain't it?

Funny what being handed a monopoly, when Microsoft has to actually compete in other markets, they fail to build monopolies through their "superior products."

I like this thought....

superior? my crouch

 

[Goona]

All of the PCs in the store could have come with Apples OS on them...

but somehow microsoft managed to get there...

At least Apple is there providing an alternative making sure Microsoft doesn't have a 100 percent share of desktop OS. Where are the other companies stepping to the plate to provide alternatives consumers can buy in stores? So much for choice, lol.