Microsoft Unveils Windows Phone 7 Handsets

[chrmjenkins]

Yes I have. Are you saying that there's something wrong with me for being content enough with something that I have no strong feelings to see it changed?

Being content with something and saying it can't be improved (or that doing so is irrelevant) are two very different things.

In other words, others are doing the same things better (in most peoples' opinions). I've yet to see a solid argument for Apple's notification system being better than Android's, for instance.

 

[MorphingDragon]

And Microsoft are up to their KDE stealing tricks again.

Look at the Kopete icon and the messenger icon for Phone 7.

The Wink in the speech bubble is the icon for Kopete

 

[sinsin07]

You sound desperate. I like Apple but their TV is sure is missing many important features, some that I am sure the Google TV will implement. Also, comparing the introduction of a television with the Chernobyl disaster is in bad taste.

It just goes to show the unreasonable extremes fandom can reach. It would be best if some fans, of whatever company just don't post than post garbage like that.

 

[S.B.G]

There are just so many choices of phones out there. Between the iPhone, all the different flavors of Android and now the WP7 line up and even the RIM phones, It's a wonder folks can even find a decent phone to satisfy their liking. I know a few people who aren't totally interested in the iPhone but have gone through several Android or Windows phones within their 30 day return window. Every time they get a new phone it's a different flavor.

Without looking at all of them myself, I don't understand what can be so uniquely different about each phone to set it apart from it's brothers or cousins.

Having all these different flavors of WP7's now, reminds me of the many flavors of Vista and to a lessor extent Win7.

So many choices, which do you choose?

 

[Piggie]

Apple makes the best product they can,

Sorry, but that statement is blatantly untrue.

For example:

Why did they not fit BluRay drives (which are now very cheap) into the 2010 iMacs?

Because technically they could not work out how to do it, and a DVD Drive fitted was "the best they can" do?

 

[dpruitt]

Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

Say it with me!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

 

[samcraig]

The competition usually SUCKS. Is Microsoft any better this time? Run by the same fools that were there four years ago. Anything change? Nope. So why do we have to take a balanced view of these clowns in Redmond?

(CLIPPED TO REDUCE BOREDOM)

Am I supposed to *not* slam a company run by Ballmer? LOL

LTD - you are the epitome of a fanboy. And if that works for you - great. But You lost any credibility with me and I'm guessing many others months ago with your blind apple patriotism. You are the PERFECT descendant of Apple Marketing and Advertising. And I don't say that to bash you. I say that because when discussing the competition, you are 100 percent biased without the ability to see beyond Apple. So really - how credible can your posts be? This isn't an Apple love thread. This thread is about Microsoft and the new phones that have been unveiled.

I admire your enthusiasm - no matter how misguided it might be in worldview and even with the amount it many times makes me shake my head in utter disbelief.

 

[btbeme]

The biggest question of the day is whether we post this to epicfail.com immediately or whether we wait a month.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Easy to say. Pics or it didn't happen.

Enjoy

 

[chanerz]

They are really trying to compete with ip4 huh!

 

[firewood]

Where can developers post tons of newbie questions about how to develop for these Windows 7 phones while running only Mac OS X software on a Mac?

 

[btbeme]

Why did they not fit BluRay drives (which are now very cheap) into the 2010 iMacs?

Because technically they could not work out how to do it, and a DVD Drive fitted was "the best they can" do?

In a word: licensing. There is nothing "technical" about it. Plain and simple, Blu-ray licensing is a tangled mess, and, thus far, is not a certainty anyway. Given the speed at which the world is shifting toward on-demand HD, I would say that Blu-ray will be relegated to an "also ran" format long before anyone thought possible.

 

[sinsin07]

LTD - you are the epitome of a fanboy. And if that works for you - great. But You lost any credibility with me and I'm guessing many others months ago with your blind apple patriotism. You are the PERFECT descendant of Apple Marketing and Advertising. And I don't say that to bash you. I say that because when discussing the competition, you are 100 percent biased without the ability to see beyond Apple. So really - how credible can your posts be? This isn't an Apple love thread. This thread is about Microsoft and the new phones that have been unveiled.

I admire your enthusiasm - no matter how misguided it might be in worldview and even with the amount it many times makes me shake my head in utter disbelief.

Another well spoken well thought out comment. I cringe everytime I see the bathtub roll by. I wonder how this person survives day to day with no Apple branded HD TV, no Apple public transportation, no Apple car, no Apple produced food. Must be scary for them to go outside and not see Apple everywhere.

You know it must be getting bad when traditional Apple fans get annoyed at a fellow Apple fan.

 

[bjmorgan]

Is there anyone left?

 

[samcraig]

Without looking at all of them myself, I don't understand what can be so uniquely different about each phone to set it apart from it's brothers or cousins.

Having all these different flavors of WP7's now, reminds me of the many flavors of Vista and to a lessor extent Win7.

So many choices, which do you choose?

I find it hard to believe you're that short sighted. The OS is the same - but liken it to how many different laptops and desktops that use it are. Different people have different needs. Some are hard core gamers. Others just use office.

Same with phones. Some people will want form factors or physical features more conducive to gaming or business or texting or whatever.

The idea of one for for all is nice - but it also breeds a lot of "but I'd really like x..."

 

[Piggie]

In a word: licensing. There is nothing "technical" about it. Plain and simple, Blu-ray licensing is a tangled mess, and, thus far, is not a certainty anyway. Given the speed at which the world is shifting toward on-demand HD, I would say that Blu-ray will be relegated to an "also ran" format long before anyone thought possible.

But why not just fit the drives, and let users buy and install BluRay playback software in exactly the same way PC builders do.

After all, it was just said, Apple make the best computer they can, and a BluRay drive is a better drive to have so it should be fitted.

 

[sinsin07]

I have to say, that's funny.

 

[S.B.G]

I find it hard to believe you're that short sighted. The OS is the same - but liken it to how many different laptops and desktops that use it are. Different people have different needs. Some are hard core gamers. Others just use office.

Same with phones. Some people will want form factors or physical features more conducive to gaming or business or texting or whatever.

The idea of one for for all is nice - but it also breeds a lot of "but I'd really like x..."

Shortsighted? No. - But I agree with you, it's all personal preference when it comes to anything and everything in our lives. But wouldn't you agree that there comes a point sometime when there are too many choices? It certainly wouldn't be a good thing if there was one or two phones for all to choose from; what fun would that be?

 

[HIMIKO]

You're right!

You mean without Apple we would not have what we have today.

With lots of competition in the cell phone and smart phone market, we had tons of crappy cell phones and smart phones.

Competition was accomplishing nothing.

Then Apple introduced the iPhone and everything changed. Now every smart phone looks like an iPhone, before none of them did.

Don't give competition too much credit. In the case of phones and smartphones it has delivered very poorly.

Just like the cell phone market in Japan before the condition where i-Phone inaugulated, as much as "useless" "fruitless" competition by too many companies!

But on the other hand, Win 7 Phone launch this time give some impact to the market especially in U.S., I suppose.

What the most are likely to suffer is Android phones!

I'm sure A quarter to a third of present Android users can possibly switch to them, Being fed up of Android's bloatware, of which system is "wide open" to carriers and to manufacturers but desperately closed to end-users in reality!

I tatally agree with this wise man's post and Break Out on Engadget.

What do you think of it?

Though I hate Android phones, I feel familiar with Win 7's UI, in a nutShell I like it!

And you?

>Edensuko 6 hours ago in reply to d0mth0ma5
Lol

I think wp7 will claim half of android's and a bit of iOS' market share back, why do i thinkg itll get half of android's share and not apples? mainly for the loyalty. Most iphone users are "loyal" (either because they like it or because they bought to many stuff in it so they just wont change) while most android users (read: NOT THE ONES READING THIS OR ANY TECHBLOG) will go for the brand, people that either has a winmo 6.5 device (God bless their souls).people that likes what its being shown so far and new ２３３buyers that will relate easyly to WINDOWS PHONE as oppossed to android (not called GOOGLE phone, thus eliminating the brand recognition outside the geeksphere).

SO yeah, i think the smartphone market will look like this in the US (altough i live in MExico xD) in about 2 years

1.- iOS 25% (as i said, loyalty or "being stuck in the ecosystem)

2.- Winmo 20% (Brand recognition and MS's staying power ala xbox)

3.- WebOS 16% (brand recognition from hp and palm, hp's staying power and it has the openness android claims yet manufacturers lmit)

4.- Android 14% (its on anything else, but its fragmentation is going to hit harder once 3.0 kicks in)

5.- Blackberry 14% (Enterprise users wont let this one go in the forseeable future, their Slate will give them more traction market wise)

6.- Simbian/Meego 11% Nokia will finally make a push, though i guess it will take longer in the us to take off (if it ever does...i think is too late)

So yeah, thats only my opinion of course some may disagree, not that i really care

 

[*LTD*]

LTD - you are the epitome of a fanboy. And if that works for you - great. But You lost any credibility with me and I'm guessing many others months ago with your blind apple patriotism. You are the PERFECT descendant of Apple Marketing and Advertising. And I don't say that to bash you. I say that because when discussing the competition, you are 100 percent biased without the ability to see beyond Apple.

When there's something actually worthwhile beyond Apple I'll let you know.

Right now, the competition is hardly impressive, and most of them are trying desperately to out-Apple Apple.

Take Microstupid, for example. Apple has fraction of their employees and a fraction of their R&D budget, but look at what's happening. MS can barely get their core business right, never mind pushing out and pinching off a mobile platform people will actually care about. These are the same clowns that actually thought it was a good idea to bring the Kin to the market not even a year ago. You think you can trust them with anything else remotely to do with mobile over the long term?

Microsoft could have unveiled the perfect smartphone OS, that doesn't omit Cut-Copy-Paste or Multitasking or Tethering (when everyone else has them by now) and that is wholly original and doesn't infringe on others' IP, and they would still be nearly 4 years late to the game. It's superfluous to the market. They can try to force their way in with $500 million in marketing and, if successful, damage the other iPhone wannabes, but, like all of the other also-rans, they have not even come close to equalling iOS much less accomplished the tremendous feat of leapfrogging iOS, which is what Microsoft needed to do in order to make up for being so woefully late to the game.

With Android already full steam ahead and RIM still well in the game, being "just good enough" is far from enough. Being just another selection at this stage in the game while bringing nothing new, with a UI that begs and pleads to be considered "different" (OMG tiles!) just for the sake of being different, is a recipe for continued mediocrity.

These are the same people that are still spending money on Zune promotion. LOL!!

As long as Ballmer makes the decisions it'll be the same story month after mediocre month in Redmond.

 

[btbeme]

But why not just fit the drives, and let users buy and install BluRay playback software in exactly the same way PC builders do.

After all, it was just said, Apple make the best computer they can, and a BluRay drive is a better drive to have so it should be fitted.

Because every time they turn around, someone is suing them for something trivial. Why bait the attorneys?

Anyone can put in their own Blu-ray drive any time they wish. There are plenty of aftermarket providers and software. Apple simply has chosen to not expose themselves on that front.

I recall a time not long ago that people slammed Apple for failing to provide a floppy drive and forcing their users to change their peripherals over to that new USB connection. If I am not mistaken, Apple was a Blu-ray backer when it was competing with HD-DVD. Not installing one is a strategic or licensing decision, I can guarantee.

 

[sinsin07]

Snip... Given the speed at which the world is shifting toward on-demand HD, I would say that Blu-ray will be relegated to an "also ran" format long before anyone thought possible.

Let's just take the 300,000 million people in the US.. How many would you say have HD TVs, Cable TV and broandband are switching to on demand HD?

 

[MSlaw]

Not sure how you can think they're the same.

• The iPhone is app centric with a static homescreen.
• WP7 is data centric with a dynamic homescreen.

Different philosophies.

like flipboard? (ipad app)

 

[reticulate]

When there's something actually worthwhile beyond Apple I'll let you know.

Right now, the competition is hardly impressive, and most of them are trying desperately to out-Apple Apple.

Take Microstupid, for example. Apple has fraction of their employees and a fraction of their R&D budget, but look at what's happening. MS can barely get their core business right, never mind pushing out and pinching off a mobile platform people will actually care about. These are the same clowns that actually thought it was a good idea to bring the Kin to the market not even a year ago. You think you can trust them with anything else remotely to do with mobile over the long term?

Microsoft could have unveiled the perfect smartphone OS, that doesn't omit Cut-Copy-Paste or Multitasking or Tethering (when everyone else has them by now) and that is wholly original and doesn't infringe on others' IP, and they would still be nearly 4 years late to the game. It's superfluous to the market. They can try to force their way in with $500 million in marketing and, if successful, damage the other iPhone wannabes, but, like all of the other also-rans, they have not even come close to equalling iOS much less accomplished the tremendous feat of leapfrogging iOS, which is what Microsoft needed to do in order to make up for being so woefully late to the game.

With Android already full steam ahead and RIM still well in the game, being "just good enough" is far from enough. Being just another selection at this stage in the game while bringing nothing new, with a UI that begs and pleads to be considered "different" (OMG tiles!) just for the sake of being different, is a recipe for continued mediocrity.

These are the same people that are still spending money on Zune promotion. LOL!!

As long as Ballmer makes the decisions it'll be the same story month after mediocre month in Redmond.

I remember reading very similar words being spoken by Sony fanboys around the time the Xbox was announced.

 

[*LTD*]

Let's just take the 300,000 million people in the US.. How many would you say have HD TVs, Cable TV and broandband are switching to on demand HD?

Apple destroyed the CD/CD player with iTunes, let's not forget.