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Microsoft Unveils Windows Phone 7 Handsets

This is the first product from Microsoft in about a decade that's worth taking a look at. I'm sorry, but Google's Android platform is going nowhere. Since XP, Microsoft has been sitting on their butt doing practically nothing. Vista was a bust. W7 fixed Vista problems. And they let WM6 slide into oblivion. WP7 is something I'll consider but I'll probably end up with an iPhone because of the apps and the quality. WP7's GUI is very interesting and unique. Android still looks like complete garbage and the apps are also of that caliber. WP7 doesn't have basic stuff like copy/paste but the good thing is that they are making the foundation really solid, much like Apple. The UI is the first important thing in a smartphone. And then it's apps. The last thing that will push me towards the next iPhone is that the iPhone simply has better hardware and better software (number and quality of apps) of any smartphone platform, for now. In the future, I see Android slipping in favor of WP7. WP& seems more consumer friendly and Android seems more like a tech geek's dream. I hope Microsoft doesn't let WP7 slide much like they let WM6 slide.
 
reticulate said:
I remember reading very similar words being spoken by Sony fanboys around the time the Xbox was announced.
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You're actually comparing Apple to Sony?

The Apple of today makes Sony at their height look like a convenience store on the wrong side of town.

The kind of creativity and energy in Cupertino has proven to be far and away unapproachable by even the best in tech, never mind an old and tired company too big for its britches with vision too small for the market.
 
*LTD* said:
You're actually comparing Apple to Sony?

The Apple of today makes Sony at their height look like a convenience store on the wrong side of town.

The kind of creativity and energy in Cupertino has proven to be far and away unapproachable by even the best in tech, never mind an old and tired company too big for its britches with vision too small for the market.
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Context, gain some.

I'm talking about the specific rant.

Sony fanboys had plenty to say about the Xbox being late to market, lacking in developer support, etc, etc.

From where we sit now, the 360 still outsells the PS3 and has a rather larger install base.
 
clarify the question

sinsin07 said:
Let's just take the 300,000 million people in the US.. How many would you say have HD TVs, Cable TV and broandband are switching to on demand HD?
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"How many would you say have HD TVs, Cable TV and broandband are switching to on demand high-bitrate 1080p HD with high-bitrate multi-channel audio?"

As long as the legal downloads are craptastic bitrate, and ISPs deliver slow downloads with data caps - "on-demand" internet downloads will stay marginal.
 
*LTD* said:
Apple destroyed the CD/CD player with iTunes, let's not forget.
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You're a complete and utter fanboy moron if you think itunes had anything to do with the cd/cd player's demise.

The combination of the mp3 and peer to peer networks is what destroyed the cd/cd player. Maybe you would realize that if you weren't so in love with a brand.
 
Call a spade a spade.

Microsoft is following the trajectory of IBM. Eventually they will get some creative individual to come up with some really creative things, but it will be too little too late, and they won't be able to overcome their stodgy public image. Or maybe they won't have a public image, since their visibility in all the key consumer markets is sinking.

The best thing Microsoft can do at this point is focus on their strengths in the enterprise, and shed the consumer market, for which they have no talent whatsoever (aside from their game console. . . . *yawn*)

Real competition for Apple will come, but not from Microsoft. It will come from companies that don't exist yet. Eventually someone other than Apple will come up with the kinds of ideas that reshape markets overnight (like Apple's), but we'll have to wait a bit.

This isn't the mobile blockbuster you're looking for.
 
Nevpaurion said:
You're a complete and utter fanboy moron if you think itunes had anything to do with the cd/cd player.

The combination of the mp3 and peer to peer networks is what destroyed the cd/cd player. Maybe you would realize that if you weren't so in love with a brand.
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Agreed.

Napster and the rise of the mp3 started killing physical music sales long before iTunes showed up.
 
WiiDSmoker said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_0_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8A306 Safari/6531.22.7)

Please remember folks, without competition, we wouldn't have what we have today.

This thread will be interesting and full of trolls however.
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But, where is the competition in these products? There is not one thing here to say, "Oooh, Apple better have this ready for iOS 5."

All I see is a broad set of confusion, spread out across way too many phones. No consistency.

If the iPhone has taught us anything, its that simplicity and consistency result in products that consumers immediately understand, and can use.

Hence why usage data has always indicated that iPhone owners USE their phones, way more than other device owners.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Well the statistics say otherwise.

The X360 has only 5million more units than the PS3.

Also current PS3 software sales outrank the X360.

http://www.vgchartz.com/

As my American friend eloquently puts it, the world does not end at California's sunny shores.
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And being Australian, I'm more than aware of that, but thanks for making a supposition based on exactly no evidence.

My point (sigh) was that in response to the tl;dr that I originally replied to I can distinctly remember Sony fanboys suggesting that there was no way the late-to-party Xbox could ever mount a reasonable challenge to the paradigm created by the PS2. A generation later and Sony is still playing catch-up.

I'm sorry, but if you can't seem to grasp the simple concepts I'm trying to illustrate, then that's not really my problem.

Seriously. I'm typing this to you on a Macbook Pro, getting messages on my iPhone. I like Apple stuff. I'm on your bloody side. But I'm calling something as I saw it. And not you or the person I initially quoted can actually come up with a reasonable counter-point.
 
*LTD* said:
When there's something actually worthwhile beyond Apple I'll let you know.

Right now, the competition is hardly impressive, and most of them are trying desperately to out-Apple Apple.

Take Microstupid, for example.
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See. There - right there. Instead of discussing rational points which you may or may not have - I lose any interest in reading the rest of your diatribe (sincerely I stopped the second you wrote Microstupid). Why? Because you regress to childish name calling. It's not clever. It only winds up making you look like you're about 10 years old.

If you can't find ways of expressing yourself in an intelligent manner - don't expect to be taken seriously by those who want to have an adult conversation.

You also speak in hyperbole. Does it really matter how much marketshare Microsoft wants/gets? Enjoy your iPhone. There's PLENTY of consumers for both Apple and Microsoft. And BOTH companies have their positives AND negatives.

p.s. if you think Apple only innovates where others duplicate, you re-write history as much as Jobs does.
 
sinsin07 said:
Let's just take the 300,000 million people in the US.. How many would you say have HD TVs, Cable TV and broandband are switching to on demand HD?
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Give it a year. Where was Netflix On Demand a year ago? Amazon On Demand? What do many local digital cable systems advertise locally? Internet delivery of content on demand will be the "norm" in a couple years, even for the non-technically inclined. Bet on it.
 
MorphingDragon said:
I in-fact have more evidence than you. From "Where I sit" to a trusted source of video games statistics.
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Are you naturally this dense or is it something you have to work at?

The supposition you made was that I was either American, or only looking at American sales numbers.
 
The Windows phone looks promising. It all depends on how well the software works with a PC or Mac and how much really good hardware the is offered.

That the first version doesn't do everything is not a big problem to me. Many of Apple's first products are very weak, for example the first iPhone, the first and second Apple TV and the why-would-anyone-buy-one-of-those-things-instead- of-a-real-computer iPad.

The third gen iPhone is really nice and maybe in a version or two the iPad will actually do some things that the weakest MacBooks do. I say give cut MS some slack. Even though they're really late to the game they might have something here.
 
*LTD* said:
Apple destroyed the CD/CD player with iTunes, let's not forget.
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You don't need great bandwith to download a song. People were already used to downloading music from Napster. Once the song is downloaded you don't need bandwith at all to play.
 
rwilliams said:
The handsets look very nice, and the OS is a fresh take on mobile computing, as opposed to being another iOS clone. I don't think WP7 will do well in the marketplace, but I applaud Microsoft for doing something different.
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I have to say that I agree with this comment. It's really sad that there are so many iPhone clones in terms of the iPhone UI. At least MS's WP7 looks different. Is it better? Who knows, but at least it doesn't look like an iPhone, so you can't hate on Microsoft at least in that respect. That being said, I certainly don't want one.
 
I don't know, they seem to be going after people that are afraid of smartphones because they think that since they see people using them for such large periods of time that they must be hard to use. IE: techno-illeterate people

That very well could work. It is essentially the exact opposite of Android which almost touts your ability to root it as a feature. (What the heck does "open" mean anyway?) I think the only problem is that Apple does a much better job of conveying ease of use than Microsoft. If Apple wasn't in the market then Android could get hit by Windows bouncing back (ignoring the fact that Android was originally a Blackberry clone and not an iOS clone). As it stands, I'm dubious.

I also applaud Microsoft for trying a new UI. Like the spot in the Kin I think Microsoft engineers are have some interesting ideas. It is just the middle management that kills them.
 
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