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Agreed, over-customizeability can complicate and ultimately ruin a product.
If thats what you're looking for, theres this company called microsoft.

Never fear... come next June we are guaranteed to get widgets and live apps on the homescreen..

Widgets done right™ :rolleyes:
 
*ahem* Android 2.2 supports all of that.

Android 2.2 encrypts .apk files stored on the SD card, but it does not encrypt Exchange files. It also doesn't accept remote erase requests unless done by a third party (WaveSecure comes to mind.)

Android 3.x should support this, but right now, it is hard to get Android phones into enterprises because the Exchange guys don't have the control they want on them.
 
Wow, I just went to Microsoft.com and not one mention of the phone there. I mean when apple launches a new product it's plastered all over the homepage.

A Windows Phone is there to keep them relevant in the smartphone world and that's it. Ballmer's pockets are still going to be filled with golds coming from the Windows and Office monopolies and this won't change in the foreseeable future.:(
 
iOS still has plenty wrong with it too, mind you. And I'm not bashing. I am pretty much all apple now as far as computers/phones/ipads/etc

But the email app on the iPhone is sorely lacking some basic functionality. The camera app lacks some basic functionality. There are plenty of bugs/quirks/"features" in iOS that fill up the message boards here and yet it's so easily to write off Android and MS's new platform (which no one here has even used) just "because." Again hypocrisy. It's funny.
 
Then Apple introduced the iPhone and everything changed. Now every smart phone looks like an iPhone, before none of them did.

Don't give competition too much credit. In the case of phones and smartphones it has delivered very poorly.

Err, the first iPhone like phone was the SonyEricsson P800 and it is quite likely the iPhone was inspired by this. Of course, SonyEricsson missed a couple of tricks:

- Design by committee (successors were awful)
- Pen rather touch
- No consideration to ecosystem (the *real* Apple innovation).
 
The handsets look very nice, and the OS is a fresh take on mobile computing, as opposed to being another iOS clone. I don't think WP7 will do well in the marketplace, but I applaud Microsoft for doing something different.

At least they didn't go the Android way! :D
 
Centered around "hubs" that allow users to quickly see a variety of pieces of information related to such topics as People, Music, Photos, and Office,

[...]

In a departure from the icon-focused user interface used by Apple and others, Microsoft has chosen to utilize a flowing interface of flexible "tiles" that can each represent various pieces of information depending on the type of data required to be presented.

Sounds interesting.
I don't want one, I have an iPhone 3Gs and I intend to move to the iPhone 5 next Summer, but it sounds interesting that Microsoft is actually doing something other than completely copying Apple for once. (Don't try saying the fact Apple has a phone means Microsoft is copying them... Microsoft was on mobile phones before Apple was, and besides that, Apple wasn't exactly innovative in that they made a mobile phone seeing as those had been around for years before Apple made the iPhone.)
 
Let's see what these puppies can do. Hopefully they'll spawn more innovation.


MS IS DEAD. WINDOWS 7 IS DEAD. AND SO IS ADOBE.


;)

Windows 7 is dead when Mac OS X on my iMac allows me to discover other computers in the network. I need to do Command+K to simply access a shared folder and iTunes sharing does not work with all my other PCs. I need to boot into Windows 7 to make everything work!
 
Then don't clutter it. On the other hand, I'd like weather to go along with date and time.

Isn't choice grand ? :rolleyes:



Then don't put it there. And I fail to see how "Rain/Sun" and "degres" are personal info.

Seriously people : Choice. Look it up, it's a nice word.

Choice? On Apple products? IMPOSSIBLE
 
A Windows Phone is there to keep them relevant in the smartphone world and that's it. Ballmer's pockets are still going to be filled with golds coming from the Windows and Office monopolies and this won't change in the foreseeable future.:(

I think it's more than Windows and Office. People seem to forget that MS also has products which cater to infrastructures for big businesses. I tried to pull up their market share - which I don't think is "incredible" - but there's definitely big business in it. People tend to focus on only what a company produces for a consumer leaving out big business and industrial applications.


If you can not convince them... confuse them.


So is it that Apple users are idiots, the general public is stupid or both? Because comments like that and others who say that anything but ONE choice is confusing seem to lack the brain power to make a choice.

Is it confusing to get dressed in the morning? All those different clothes. Different colors. Shorts? Pants? Sweater? Shirt? Vest? Jacket? Oh no. My poor brain...... OYE!
 
I've had a few Windows Mobile phones last being a Palm Treo and it was... ok, I liked it but the iPhone was a warm welcome to me. The interface at the time was much like a tiny tiny computer and you had to use the stylus and keyboard to do anything productive.
Since the 1st leaked shots I said I hoped they did not release it with those huge block tiles, simplicity ok but not style theyre like lego blocks with words typed onto the sides. Just don't like that there are 2 blocks wide then a gap of unused black space on the right, it's just weird looking.

Just reminds me of looking at the xbox dashboard somehow.
 
Horrible Tiles UI Mistake & Too Many Phones...

Why is the Arrow that points to the right taking up like 25% of the screen?

There is just black space beneath it!

The arrow should be overlaid over multiple tiles and fade in and fade out!

Also, I agree with LTD. Too many phones and too many choices! 9 phones! With the next generation of each of the 9 phones released there will be 18 phones! Then 27. Then 36... All on different schedules. Different speeds. Different battery lives. One only has a talk time of 240 minutes while another has a talk time of 8 hours. You could learn Marketing at a community college and do better than that! This is Microsoft right? Are they afraid to require a minimum standard talk time?

There is only one maker of the XBox. What was Microsoft thinking? If Microsoft was serious they would be making the hardware themselves.

See them all here! Even Dell has one! Where is the one from Acer?
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/glance.aspx

Marcus
 
http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

If you'll peruse the hardware sales on the right, you might notice something.

X360 43,711,042
PS3 38,015,409

You can dig up the comparisons to the PS2 era in your own time.

The point being that the game completely changed this generation, something the Sony fanboys could never see happening. Hubris is a dangerous thing, etc

No, its just fun pestering Australians with endless half-true BS.

BTW, it would be worth nothing that 5mil is only a 4~5% market difference in this generation of consoles.
 
I'm sorry I missed LTD's gem about IBM. Ridiculous. IBM may not be in the eyes of the consumer - but I can rattle of hundreds of thousands of companies that use IBM software (and hardware) for their backend systems. I think IBM isn't too worried about losing the consumer part of their business.

P.S. (to LTD) - it's ignorant to make statements like that anyway. IBM's hardware and software infrastructures at companies around the world very much affect the END USER.

ETA: LTD - Microsoft is past their prime? Yeah.. ok. Again - ignorance is bliss I guess.

I'm not a troll - but MAN do some of your posts make me look like someone who doesn't like Apple when I actually do just to counter your silliness

iOS still has plenty wrong with it too, mind you. And I'm not bashing. I am pretty much all apple now as far as computers/phones/ipads/etc

But the email app on the iPhone is sorely lacking some basic functionality. The camera app lacks some basic functionality. There are plenty of bugs/quirks/"features" in iOS that fill up the message boards here and yet it's so easily to write off Android and MS's new platform (which no one here has even used) just "because." Again hypocrisy. It's funny.

I beg to differ. Oh the irony when someone keeps trying to prove something they're not. If you were reading your own posts like the rest of us are (that don't have you on ignore) you might understand why you have to keep defending yourself. ;)
 
I think it's more than Windows and Office. People seem to forget that MS also has products which cater to infrastructures for big businesses. I tried to pull up their market share - which I don't think is "incredible" - but there's definitely big business in it. People tend to focus on only what a company produces for a consumer leaving out big business and industrial applications.

Saying this first I know this doesn't apply to all business but at least for most around here that I deal with. When I ask why they still use only windows and windows server (not to say anything bad because I am looking forward to aurora and sbs7) is because it is cheap and easy to use, especially in bulk from Dell.

I've only had a handful, say 4-5, that ask about Apple or other products because they almost brainwashed...... BUT every single one of them have deployed iPhones to a majority of the staff, when asked why they are using it instead of a blackberry or win mobile I get, "because it's a better phone and easy to use"
 
Didn't the Zune smash the iPod? Wait a minute. Steve Ballmer loves the Kool Aid doesn't he :D

Gotta feeling, WP7, may go the way of the Zune and the Kin. Nice try Microsoft, but to quote the Goog, consumers don't need another platform. WebOs is already much better than what M$ is going to dish out and it wasn't the best either.

On the upside for them, the small group of obsessed fanboys, and girls, of the Xbox will be all over this phone. This group is smaller compared to the MANY people who own Droids, iPhones, Blackberries and Pres.
 
So is it that Apple users are idiots, the general public is stupid or both? Because comments like that and others who say that anything but ONE choice is confusing seem to lack the brain power to make a choice.

Is it confusing to get dressed in the morning? All those different clothes. Different colors. Shorts? Pants? Sweater? Shirt? Vest? Jacket? Oh no. My poor brain...... OYE!

No these commenters like to confuse the issue by saying to much choice is confusing, but they get it. They are just pretending in fear that Jobs might reject their net iPurchase.
Yet it takes three steps to turn On/Off wifi. And Bluetooth, which is also an 802.xx standard is relegated to General Settings. Very intuitive.
 
Saying this first I know this doesn't apply to all business but at least for most around here that I deal with. When I ask why they still use only windows and windows server (not to say anything bad because I am looking forward to aurora and sbs7) is because it is cheap and easy to use, especially in bulk from Dell.

I've only had a handful, say 4-5, that ask about Apple or other products because they almost brainwashed...... BUT every single one of them have deployed iPhones to a majority of the staff, when asked why they are using it instead of a blackberry or win mobile I get, "because it's a better phone and easy to use"

I wasn't talking about windows server... MS has a lot of enterprise software...

I beg to differ. Oh the irony when someone keeps trying to prove something they're not. If you were reading your own posts like the rest of us are (that don't have you on ignore) you might understand why you have to keep defending yourself. ;)

No irony. And if you think I'm a troll then you have reading comprehension issues. But I expect nothing else from someone still bitter over the fact that they were proven to be completely wrong about the definition of Customer.

No these commenters like to confuse the issue by saying to much choice is confusing, but they get it. They are just pretending in fear that Jobs might reject their net iPurchase.
Yet it takes three steps to turn On/Off wifi. And Bluetooth, which is also an 802.xx standard is relegated to General Settings. Very intuitive.

Right? LOL. And I love how you can reply to an email and attach a picture or file from the email app. Oh wait. You can't. And if you send a bunch of pictures - they all have the SAME filename. Because you know - why confuse people by having more than one file name.... (eyeroll)
 
No irony. And if you think I'm a troll then you have reading comprehension issues. But I expect nothing else from someone still bitter over the fact that they were proven to be completely wrong about the definition of Customer.

And I find it interesting that you love to tell people that they have reading comprehension issues as you said that to me and a few others. Yeah, I remember your posts just like you remember mine about the customer argument. No worries, I got a few PM's from other forum members about you on that subject, we had fun trading PM's. :D
Just make sure you check out my sig.
Bitter? Me? I don't waste my time being bitter over posters like you. You're all about entertainment for me here. Just a big joke.

You keep on bashing LTD for liking Apple products, so what? Why do you care if he preaches the holy grail? You act like nobody here has an opinion but you. :rolleyes:
 
I wonder what's gonna happen when Apple introduces the ability to have information of your choice on the lock screen. Will we see a mass defection of iPhone users? Will there be thousand of iPhone users roaming the streets of major metropolitan cities with a dazed look because they no longer understand their lock screen? Or will there be a total denial of there ever being negativity to lock screen info? Will they then claim Apple invented it? I wonder.
 
Because for twenty years we've had to listen to the Windows crowd bash, denigrate and make fun of Mac users. Now that Apple is the company on top, the one to beat and Microsoft is the late underdog to the party we're supposed to be all happy and encouraging to them? I don't think so. Microsoft got where they are by anti-competitive behavior, by stifling innovation, by literally buying out the competition and then sweeping it under the rug.

You apparently haven't been around long enough to remember when the internet was 99% Windows only and Mac users were quite nastily told to go away as we weren't worth accommodating.

Mark my words. Ballmer and Microsoft will try their damnedest, spend as much money as it takes, and pull every anti-competitive trick in the book to get their mobile OS going. They've already offered to pay iOS developers to port their apps to WP7. So no, we don't want WP7 to get any traction at all. I, for one, will never accept being assimilated by the Borg and Uncle Fester.Not now.


I have been around long enough to know pointless bashing when I see it. iPod may not have been to compete but if someone is going to tell me it wasn't to improve on the crappy MP3 players floating the market than think again. Same with the iPhone.

Apple didn't invent the MP3 player and they didn't invent the phone. Reinvented sure.

Apple did the same thing with the GUI. XEROX Parc had the right idea but Apple and other engineers from Parc who moved over to Apple to help develop improved on it.

Competition is good. Whether its to improve on someone else's failing product or try and win a race.
 
And I find it interesting that you love to tell people that they have reading comprehension as you said that to me and a few others. Yeah, I remember your posts just like you remember mine about the customer argument. No worries, I got a few PM's from other forum members about you on that subject, we had fun trading PM's. :D
Just make sure you check out my sig.
Bitter? Me? I don't waste my time being bitter over posters like you. You're all about entertainment for me here. Just a big joke.

You keep on bashing LTD for liking Apple products, so what? Why do you care if he preaches the holy grail? You act like nobody here has an opinion but you. :rolleyes:

I got plenty of PMs too. But I don't really care about any pissing content about it. We clearly disagree on many subjects. Oh.. and THANK YOU so much for pointing out your signature. Because clearly I didn't notice it in every post. (LTD has called himself on more than one occasion a fanboy). You obviously don't have the history on that - so it's "excusable." But the intimation that I'm a troll because I call LTD what he, himself has admitted to - that just laughable. And if you did read my posts (which again - it's obvious you don't and just want to throw an attack in) you'd see that I explained quite clearly my "beef" with his opinion.

Finally - You are bitter. It's obvious by the way you swooped in and (lamely) "attacked" me out of the blue adding no insight into the discussion but rather just a snooze of an attack.

I don't think I'll be engaging you in any further conversation where I can help it. It's quite unproductive.
 
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