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and with Apple now being worth almost 60 Billion more than Microsoft, it is sink or swim time for Microsoft.


Apple is worth 60 billion more than Microsoft??? :confused:

I'm too lazy to look this number up, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say your statistics are wrong...
 
Apple is worth 60 billion more than Microsoft??? :confused:

I'm too lazy to look this number up, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say your statistics are wrong...


The top five U.S. publicly-traded companies, based on full market values, are:
1. Exxon Mobil (XOM) - $328.47B
2. Apple (AAPL) - $269.98B
3. Microsoft (MSFT) - $212.49B
4. Berkshire-Hathaway (BRKA) - 205.04B
4. Wal-Mart (WMT) - $198.56B

Selected companies' current market values:
• IBM (IBM) - $176.18B
• Google (GOOG) - $171.71B
• Cisco (CSCO) - $127.70B
• Intel (INTC) - $108.94B
• Hewlett-Packard (HPQ) - $93.39B
• Amazon (AMZN) - $68.52B
• Disney (DIS) - $66.12B
• Nokia (NOK) - $40.65B
• Sony (SNE) - $32.37B
• Research In Motion (RIMM) - $25.43B
• Dell (DELL) - $26.74B
• Motorola (MOT) - $19.30B
• Yahoo! (YHOO) - $19.44B
• Adobe (ADBE) - $14.14B
• Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) - $4.87B
• RealNetworks (RNWK) - $440.67M
 
Makes no difference what MS does at this point, an they've done nothing compelling. If it's isn't anything earth-shattering it'll just be more flotsam and jetsam in Apple and Google's wake.

The thing that really gets me about this statement is that it just has to be a zero-sum game for you, doesn't it?

Protip: The leading smartphone OS in the world, right now, is Symbian by a hefty margin, followed by RIM. So if we apply your all-or-nothing zero-sum rules, Apple is flotsam and jetsam in Symbian and RIM's wake, right?

Google are a pimple on the arse of worldwide smartphone share. Yes, they're selling a bunch of Android phones right now in the US, but the telling statistic (and one used by Gruber at more or less every opportunity) is that US marketshare =/= The Be All And End All. In fact, it looks very much like a lot of what we're seeing with Android is pent-up demand for proper smartphones finally being answered by CDMA carriers, more than any significant trend. That says absolutely nothing about the ability for Microsoft to succeed in this device marketplace, and even less - if that's possible - about your ability to analyse the situation.

Right now, there's a bunch of mobile operating systems that are jockeying for good position. Nobody has won, and nobody has necessarily lost. Nokia still haven't played their hand, WebOS is still percolating in the belly of HP and Microsoft only presented their attempt today.

Making any snap judgements is an exercise in utter stupidity. You're engaging in blind, pathetic fanboy overdrive and have absolutely nothing to back it up beyond your own sad devotion to a billionaire corporation that does not, and will never, give two ***** about what you think.
 
So basically this enables you to carry a substandard, virus vulnerable piece of outdated software around in your pocket. Why would you do that?:eek:
 
its funny i remember steve jobs saying the iPhone was years ahead of any phone on the market when it was introduced. more funny that microsoft is the last to step up to the smartphone plate, years later. :apple:
 
Ballmer's head is on the line with that one. To that extent, maybe it would be a blessing for MSFT that Windows Phone 7 fails miserably.

If that happens it gives an opportunity for Apple to develop more slowly. They are already slow on some issues and that's a fact. Many of the messages MSFT gave out in the presentation are deliberately focused on things iOS doesn't do all that well. It will annoy Steve to see MSFT do certain things better which means they will push the iOS devs harder to get a useful notifications system for example. I guarantee that Apple will have watched every word of this and are already thinking of how to do it even better.
 
Which smartphone are you using?

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-sch-i760-verizon/4505-6452_7-32177475.html

But, since it doesn't have a half-eaten apple logo on it, I suspect that you'll come up with some off-topic or other ad hominem about it.

But I don't care - it has great voice quality (a good feature for a phone ;) ), and 3G signal in places in the Bay Area where friends' Iphones simply say "searching".

Shouldn't a phone first and foremost be a good phone?
 
Apple is worth 60 billion more than Microsoft??? :confused:

I'm too lazy to look this number up, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say your statistics are wrong...

Maybe you haven't been keeping up with current event but I can understand because it is hard for me to believe too! Actually only 1 company an Oil company Exxon/Mobile, is the only publicly traded company that is worth more than Apple based on market capitalization! Yes, it is that bad! Or good depending on your point of view! :) Microsoft may get a pop up tomorrow depending on what Wall Street thinks about the Window 7 Phones.

By Market Cap

AAPL 269.83 Billion
MSFT 212.79 Billion

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=AAPL+vs+MSFT
 
Apple is worth 60 billion more than Microsoft??? :confused:

I'm too lazy to look this number up, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say your statistics are wrong...

The top five U.S. publicly-traded companies, based on full market values, are:
1. Exxon Mobil (XOM) - $328.47B
2. Apple (AAPL) - $269.98B
3. Microsoft (MSFT) - $212.49B
4. Berkshire-Hathaway (BRKA) - 205.04B
4. Wal-Mart (WMT) - $198.56B

Selected companies' current market values:
• IBM (IBM) - $176.18B
• Google (GOOG) - $171.71B
• Cisco (CSCO) - $127.70B
• Intel (INTC) - $108.94B
• Hewlett-Packard (HPQ) - $93.39B
• Amazon (AMZN) - $68.52B
• Disney (DIS) - $66.12B
• Nokia (NOK) - $40.65B
• Sony (SNE) - $32.37B
• Research In Motion (RIMM) - $25.43B
• Dell (DELL) - $26.74B
• Motorola (MOT) - $19.30B
• Yahoo! (YHOO) - $19.44B
• Adobe (ADBE) - $14.14B
• Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) - $4.87B
• RealNetworks (RNWK) - $440.67M

He's mad.
 
more funny that microsoft is the last to step up to the smartphone plate, years later. :apple:

That's not accurate, Windows Mobile was out there since the early 2000's. Back then it was an "interesting" product, albeit not quite compelling.

The great "innovation" Apple made with the iPhone was to offer a way of mobile-computing that is fundamentally different from personal computer usage. They realized that PC-computing (or Mac Computing, for that matter) becomes a clumsy experience when you use a handheld device.
 
Honestly....

Does anyone get excited when Baron von Ballwasher opens his mouth anymore??
 
i saw a video of ms7phone, and the interface is interesting and refreshing.

Having said that, it looked to me that the interface is a bit of information overload. ms claims that the phone has no home button, is this wise? I believe that one of the iphone features _is_ the home button. We'll have to see.

Also, this phone is evidently competing with the iphone 3gs.
 
You really have to feel sorry for MS. 10+ years of failure after failure. MS is a classic business school study. Plenty of blame to go around but Ballmer is certainly right at the top of the list.

I see NO reason to expect anything different from MS based phones.

JohnG
 
If that happens it gives an opportunity for Apple to develop more slowly. They are already slow on some issues and that's a fact. Many of the messages MSFT gave out in the presentation are deliberately focused on things iOS doesn't do all that well. It will annoy Steve to see MSFT do certain things better which means they will push the iOS devs harder to get a useful notifications system for example. I guarantee that Apple will have watched every word of this and are already thinking of how to do it even better.

What MSFT is trying to do with Windows Phone is to offer a radically different mobile experience than iOS and the Android copycats. They probably deserve some credit for that. However, my first impression seeing those Windows Phone videos is that the GUI is messy.

Btw, does anyone know if WP7 supports flash?
 
Accept failure. Android is winning.

you, sir/madam are a troll bait...



ios wins because is good, smart and plays in a plethora of nice i.devices.

android wins because is 'free' + mass produced by anyone with a phone factory.

Apple wins because they have an ecosystem that provides a user experience which anyone has yet to match.
 
Wow sometimes I come here so I don't here super biased apple news but this form is crazy. I think this is a good step for them. And it's an interesting take on the phone market much like there comp market multiple hardware manufactures. Unlike android which has become the new dumb phone OS with all the UI changes, bloated additions and crap. And apple one phone one OS .... We'll see what happens.
 
troll bait...

ios wins because is good, smart and plays in a plethora of nice i.devices.

android wins because is 'free' + mass produced by anyone with a phone factory.

Apple wins because they have an ecosystem that provides a user experience which anyone has yet to match.

Oh, his comment earlier annoyed me, I thought I'd just respond the same way he did.
 
What MSFT is trying to do with Windows Phone is to offer a radically different mobile experience than iOS and the Android copycats. They probably deserve some credit for that. However, my first impression seeing those Windows Phone videos is that the GUI is messy.

Btw, does anyone know if WP7 supports flash?

I do not think the Windows 7 Phone supports Flash because Microsoft is choosing to support Silverlight ( their Flash clone ). Also, on the social networking side, as you see in the commercials, Microsoft is heavily promoting Windows Live over Facebook.

P. S. There is a rumor that Adobe may want to be acquired by Microsoft so they can team up against Apple. If that happens Silverlight will probably gobble up Flash or vice-versa. As for what would happen to Photoshop, I do not even want to think about it!

Marcus
 
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