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God, a lot of you people are dense. Your hate for a company is clouding your ability to recognize a good product when you see one.


Apple is the big supercompany and Microsoft is fading away?

Haha. Oh, I'm sure they're terribly worried with their 90% market share in OSes. Ever think that maybe, just maybe, 90% of customers prefer PCs because they're better?

I own an iPhone and an iPad, but you people really, really make me hate owning any Apple products and being generally associated with your kind. You notice how all other communities dismiss you as mindless fanboys? You ever figure that maybe they're not just trolling, that maybe you guys really are that annoying?

I kept this inside for all this time but the endless dumb replies in this thread pushed me over the edge. My iPhone is going to be the last Apple phone I buy; my iPad the last Apple tablet I buy. There's nothing wrong with the products, but there's a big problem with you people.

Actually there's a big problem with you if you allow an online forum (of faceless beings on the internet whom you don't know personally, never seen before, don't know truly how old they are, don't know if they are nice people or not and don't know if they truly own any Apple products) to decide your fate of owning future electronics products. If strangers can control you this strongly then that Matrix movie is spot on about where the world is going. :p
 
You're on an Apple fansite. It's not a general tech site, like Neowin. No, Apple fans aren't trolling their own site by praising Apple, LOL. They're just fans that are obviously going to be quite loyal to their product of choice. That's the whole point. You start waving a Windows or Android flag around here, naturally you're going to get some heat. Sure, you can have intelligent discussion about tech at large, but it'll always be slanted toward Apple.

The only "trolls" here are those that are just rude for whatever reason, and those that come here complaining about why we don't give equal hugs and kisses to other tech. Simply put, IT'S AN APPLE FANSITE, any way you slice it. What did you expect?

Well said! Excellent post. :)
 
You people are ignorant beyond words...

First off this OS is very different from any of the other mobile OS's, from how it uses its internal memory (Raid0) for speed to how it accesses and stores things via a cloud. Apple is behind the 8-ball at this point if anyone is. They don't have true Multi-Tasking, they don't support active widgets and the UI is just old now. The notification system is about as archaic as you can get at this point and the hardware is completely bloated compared to these WP7 phones.

Please explain to me how multiple devices is a bad idea? How at this point unified hardware (just like Apple) is a bad idea?

The most important aspect of WP7 aren't even the phones...its the development tools. They are amazing! There is nothing Apple or Google can do to compete with VS or the libraries MS has created for content development and it will show in a short period of time. Game wise, the first few titles alone crap all over a lot of whats on the iTunes App store (I kow MS funded some of them).

I think most of you will be surprised with how well this is going to work out. The UI is simple yet deep, the applications are as flashy as you can get at this point. Have you seen HTC's sense App?!?

Here, its amazing looking!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-_EijMQ8_o

Ya'll should be excited for what WP7 brings to the mobile space and how the other OS's will build off of it. Apple is going to be in trouble if WP7 content explodes quickly. Because at this point content is about all the iPhone has.
 
Actually there's a big problem with you if you allow an online forum (of faceless beings on the internet whom you don't know personally, never seen before, don't know truly how old they are, don't know if they are nice people or not and don't know if they truly own any Apple products) to decide your fate of owning future electronics products. If strangers can control you this strongly then that Matrix movie is spot on about where the world is going. :p

Why not? I am sure the vast majority on here do not know Steve Jobs personally and yet I am sure he has something to do with you having Apple products since Apple would fail without Steve right?

Personally, if I see a products consumer base are a bunch of crap talking kids and/or narcissists, why would I want that product?
 
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Please explain to me how multiple devices is a bad idea? How at this point unified hardware (just like Apple) is a bad idea?

Not sure if you wrote that question about Apple correctly, it's not making sense with your whole point, but anyways, to answer your question...

It's a very bad idea (in this day) to have multiple phones. I worked for Sprint for 7 years and being a salesman was just maddening for me. I got sick of showing customers so many phones and they got confused all the time. Nokia had at least 4 phones of their own, Qualcomm and Samsung had multiple phones, Palm had the Treo with the Palm OS and the Windows mobile OS. Just too much for the customer and many times they would walk out in confusion.
Microsoft brining out so many more phones to bloat up the cell phone industry was unnecessary, simple as that. Now the customer has to decide on which one to buy and what's worse is not every model ends up at each carrier which forces the customer to go back and forth to each carrier to decide on which phone they want, that's frustrating on a customer level.

Also, if certain models don't have all the features the customer needs, it forces the customer to buy the top of the line in order to get a full featured phone and it may have more than they need. Remember, I'm not making up scenarios, I worked at Sprint for many years, I KNOW HOW IT IS.

Microsoft would've done much better with one phone (like the iPhone) and brought to multiple carriers, it would get more press. When there's too much choice people tend to stick with what they know.
The iPhone should've been a perfect example for Microsoft to follow seeing as one phone can draw hundreds and hundreds of people in lines to buy it.
 
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Then Apple introduced the iPhone and everything changed. Now every smart phone looks like an iPhone, before none of them did..

It is one thing to stay quiet and say nothing but doesn't do you much good spreading lies . see http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/

do anyone else agree?
Too. Many. Handsets.
Confusion reigns.
Having choices ARE indeed confusing typical iUser. perhaps that's why Apple realizes that and doesn't give much. On the contrary, other people like having choices. You see, even though they will all run WP7, manufacturers will have to compete by producing better hardware, adding more features and software.

Agreed, over-customizeability can complicate and ultimately ruin a product.
If thats what you're looking for, theres this company called microsoft.
While WP7 may have many new innovative features, unfortunately they will kill many user customization with WP7 and that's why Windows Mobile 6.5 might be the option for you if you like customization. applications will have to be installed through the app store. You can't just download from anywhere and install applications like you can with Win Mo 6.5.

And Microsoft are up to their KDE stealing tricks again.
Look at the Kopete icon and the messenger icon for Phone 7.
The Wink in the speech bubble is the icon for Kopete
Wow I really admire your sophisticated observation.How exactly do you suggest they make a smiley icon differently? I mean, it has to be smiley and a wink right?

Honestly, why do they even bother? Microsoft should stick to what they do well -- like making keyboards.
It pains me to see how you show your ignorance in public. Here, www.microsoft.com


If you can not convince them... confuse them.
You must love how Apple keeps you away from being confused by deciding for you. We understand the reason....

jmull said:
Can I stream my iTunes to this?
You should ask the question by email to Steve Ballmer :D
No, ask god, his email is sj@apple.com
don't you remember how Palm Pre used itunes and apple actively prevented palm from using it?
 
It is one thing to stay quiet and say nothing but doesn't do you much good spreading lies . see http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/

The LG Prada was a pathetic, SLOW and primitive non-multitouch touchscreen phone. I can't believe people still seriously put forth the idea that Apple copied it. There's a reason no one remembers it.

While WP7 may have many new innovative features, unfortunately they will kill many user customization with WP7 and that's why Windows Mobile 6.5 might be the option for you if you like customization. applications will have to be installed through the app store. You can't just download from anywhere and install applications like you can with Win Mo 6.5.

People still use WinMo 6.5?



don't you remember how Palm Pre used itunes and apple actively prevented palm from using it?

Yep, and look where Palm ended up. Guess it was stupid to try to piggyback your way into your competitor's desktop software.
 
I looked at the demo video's... I didn't see anything that made me go "Wow". I will hand it to them, at least they didn't just copy iOS and Google, but I'm not sure their interface choice is going to make people run out and buy their phones. Plus, it's also about the hardware and not sure the hardware will live up to the competition.

I think Balmers days are numbered. MS needs to figure out a way to get some "buzz" back in their products and company. They seem like they are always trying to play catch-up.
 
Why not? I am sure the vast majority on here do not know Steve Jobs personally and yet I am sure he has something to do with you having Apple products since Apple would fail without Steve right?

Personally, if I see a products consumer base are a bunch of crap talking kids and/or narcissists, why would I want that product?

I'm happy to tell you that you're completely wrong. I've been using Macs exclusively for 14 years which is long before SJ became such an icon with rockstar status as he does today. I knew OF SJ but cared about him as much as I care about Samsung's CEO, whoever that is? I saw the Mac at my local CompUSA and was sick of my PC's and loved the Mac OS UI and bought Macs ever since then. I don't need a cult leader or people on an online forum to make the product look good for me to keep buying it as certain lemmings on this forum do. I read this forum for entertainment only, it doesn't define my life and people with elitist comments certainly don't make me hate my Macs and Apple products. It's a sad state of affairs when faceless people on the web can control what you do.

And about Apple failing without Steve? I don't think so. Maybe you weren't around when Steve was out sick having a transplant and an interim CEO stepped in? The company did extremely well.
 
I think Balmers days are numbered. MS needs to figure out a way to get some "buzz" back in their products and company. They seem like they are always trying to play catch-up.

Sometimes I think that is precisely what MS is trying to do and that they should just stop. They should see themselves as a technological infrastructure company. Maximize the value of their core products (Windows PC, Word/Excel, and Outlook/Exchange). Cut costs throughout the company and stop wasting money on things like Zune, Kin, or mythical tablets or tables that they can't actually make. Supposedly xBox is still losing money for MS at the very least it has been a distraction and it is certainly unclear that it has accomplished a real long lasting inroad to the living room.
They could take their money making products, pour a billion into R&D just focused on those, and give a $5 dividend to their shareholders every year. Okay, maybe $5 isn't possible, but really if MS cut costs it they could have some serious profits just off of Windows/Word/Exchange, certainly way better than $2 per share. And if they keep those products as good as they can possibly be, they might still be selling them for a profit 20 years from now.
 
The LG Prada was a pathetic, SLOW and primitive non-multitouch touchscreen phone. I can't believe people still seriously put forth the idea that Apple copied it. There's a reason no one remembers it.
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Apple may have or they may not have and I don't care either way. I was just saying that LG Prada had the body shape and touch screen interface BEFORE iphone. Whether the LG implementation was better or worse than Apple is a different story and everyone has different opinions about that, which is fine.

I just think people need to realize that two person can come up with very similar ideas or concepts. And there are things you just can't do differently from the person next to you. Like, you can't draw a circle differently from me, or from the person next. tire's are round and i'm betting for the next 50 years at least they will be round! phones are typically rectangular with round edges and probably will remain in that shape for quite some time. unless they invent some crazy hexagonal or circular shaped phones. ;)

so it's really silly for fanboys to say, hey look, this phone is just like iphone.
 
I would just wait and see apple fanboys. It may offer something new, which in turn will force apple (and google) to innovate more which is a great thing

Don't be so quick to judge, I mean Microsoft did make the xbox 360 which is a major hit with no viruses.

Apple even acknowledges Microsoft as it capitalizes it's name on the iPhone.

No, the xbox 360 just has a 1 in 3 failure rate. No viruses though... Good job M$
 
In my opinion Microsoft have lost the plot. They always seem to make simple things so complicated.

Why make 7 different phones when they could make one or two? It is like their operating system. Which version is best for you? or their Office programme, which does so much, yet the average user hardly uses any of the extras.

They are not 'making' seven different phones.. they are making NO phones. This software will run on hundreds of different models. And that is the whole point of it!
Have you seriously never seen on this site the threads... "i'd like a new screenless mac put the mac pro costs way too much and the mac mini is underpowered?" We would ideally all love the product designed exactly for us.

There is nothing wrong with the software strategy, it's just different.
 
It's because they lack what Apple has in abundance. The intangibles that occur before a product is brought to market.
I actually agree with you for once. Microsoft have a nasty habit of trying to make it 'simpler' by having more than one version of the same product. I mean, 2 versions (home and professional) is fair enough; but when you start getting into the many strains of 7 or Vista, it blags you head a bit. You actually have to take time to see which one you want instead of just simply purchasing. The last think I want to do is go into detailed research on which product I want. Especially something as generic as an Operating System or a Phone.
 
They are not 'making' seven different phones.. they are making NO phones. This software will run on hundreds of different models. And that is the whole point of it!
Have you seriously never seen on this site the threads... "i'd like a new screenless mac put the mac pro costs way too much and the mac mini is underpowered?" We would ideally all love the product designed exactly for us.

There is nothing wrong with the software strategy, it's just different.

But many posters here don't WANT different. They want the same. And they only want it from Apple. And they don't want choices because it's oh so difficult to make choices. Or worse - have a different (notice I am not saying easier or harder) learning curve. (dripping with sarcasm)


It's ironic that many in this thread and forum in general are seeking and desiring innovation but are also terrified of change LOL
 
I'm happy to tell you that you're completely wrong. I've been using Macs exclusively for 14 years which is long before SJ became such an icon with rockstar status as he does today. I knew OF SJ but cared about him as much as I care about Samsung's CEO, whoever that is? I saw the Mac at my local CompUSA and was sick of my PC's and loved the Mac OS UI and bought Macs ever since then. I don't need a cult leader or people on an online forum to make the product look good for me to keep buying it as certain lemmings on this forum do. I read this forum for entertainment only, it doesn't define my life and people with elitist comments certainly don't make me hate my Macs and Apple products. It's a sad state of affairs when faceless people on the web can control what you do.

And about Apple failing without Steve? I don't think so. Maybe you weren't around when Steve was out sick having a transplant and an interim CEO stepped in? The company did extremely well.



Well, if we did that these sites would not exists now would they? Since no one would pay any attention to the faceless analysts reporting rumors... :eek: Most of the drama would be gone and the CNN headlines would disappear. Thankfully, we would no longer hear, "Verizon gets the iPhone" constantly so we can actually have other discussions. YAY!!!

And yes I was and have been around.
 
They launched with 9 different handsets? How different could all those phones possibly be? Seems unnecessary .

One phone works only with windows 7 Home edition
Another phone works only with Windows 7 Professional
The other Windows Ultimate...
The list goes on, and on.
 
It is one thing to stay quiet and say nothing but doesn't do you much good spreading lies . see http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/12322/
The Prada was announced around the same time as the iPhone but I believe that the iPhone shipped "BEFORE" the Prada and it was just a skin on WinMo so I could see someone spying on Apple and then whipping up a skin for WinMo very quickly to attempt to steal some thunder or cause confusion. They did not reinvent a new OS like Apple did for the iPhone.
Having choices ARE indeed confusing typical iUser. perhaps that's why Apple realizes that and doesn't give much. On the contrary, other people like having choices. You see, even though they will all run WP7, manufacturers will have to compete by producing better hardware, adding more features and software.
Spoken like a typical fanboy who has probably never coded for a living. Developer hate choice within a platform because that mean that they have to do a lot more testing and possibly limit their releases either in features to cover the lowest common denominator or to a small subset of a market that is small to begin with.
While WP7 may have many new innovative features, unfortunately they will kill many user customization with WP7 and that's why Windows Mobile 6.5 might be the option for you if you like customization. applications will have to be installed through the app store. You can't just download from anywhere and install applications like you can with Win Mo 6.5.
Are you actually advocating WinMo 6.5? Do you work for MSFT marketing or something? The "customization" that you speak of is cheesy skinning. It does not alter the functionality of the phone OS or add new functionality. It is as stupid as when people were desperately trying to skin their windows XP to look like OS X.
It pains me to see how you show your ignorance in public. Here, www.microsoft.com
Were you talking to yourself?
You must love how Apple keeps you away from being confused by deciding for you. We understand the reason....
You must love paying through the nose for Windows 7 ULTIMATE when you should get all of the features for the base price. With Snow Leopard, there was "ONE" low priced upgrade SKU price with all features enabled.
No, ask god, his email is sj@apple.com
don't you remember how Palm Pre used itunes and apple actively prevented palm from using it?
You don't seem to have a very good memory. Jon Rubenstein was heavily involved in the development of the iPod at Apple so when he left Apple for Palm, he was misusing his knowledge of Apple's intellectual property to "HACK" the Palm Pre to sync with iTunes by "IMPERSONATING" an iPod to the USB host controller on the PC/Mac it was syncing to. That was against the rules of how USB devices are supposed to identify themselves. Palm almost had their rights to the USB logo removed because of the stunts they were pulling.

Palm could have written their own syncing software that read the plain text XML iTunes library file, parse the file paths contained within and synced the songs using their own code. RIM did just that and Apple did not have a problem with it.
 
From what I understand Microsoft is employing a person to work on a Mac version; hopefully that'll translate into a good front end because God knows Apple really needs the competition given their iOS walled garden of controlfreakishness.
 
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