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Microsoft Was Willing to Bring Xbox-Exclusive Games to iPhone via xCloud
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Yes. But that is not because the games are better, or the game tech is better,
which aren’t, but because they are in your pocket. It’s just extremely convenient.
On the issue of game streams Apple is just favoring money extraction rather then iOS users.
Makes no sense for an iPhone owner, but that is a fact. I mean put each game stream as a separate app? Makes as much sense as putting each music or each Netflix video as a separate app. How would that be more convenient to users than using a Netflix like app for game streams?
The Apple argument is … “well we don’t know how we will tax the dev sales in app” saying buying game steam content and so on? But from a regular market operation that isn’t an issue, would be nothing but standard.
I mean, does Apple distribute the stream? Did the company created game streams? Does it offer a platform for this? No … In a regular market operation would make no sense to get money out of such works. Yet because it has users devices in jacket and requires payment to open it up … both from users and digital services … they can.
Of course it’s not treating devs equally. Did they require each separate music stream or album to be published as an app? What about video? What about an ebooks? Its a stream … not an app!!!! Apple just want te paint it as an Apple like they have been doing in multiple instances to charge for it.
To put it simply … Apple does not want iPhone users playing game streams. Apart from hard to justify payment … Why? Because it would compete with their gaming tech, if we can call Metal gaming tech.
Can you imagine people preferring game streaming, a tech with bad response time and hiccups, rather that something installed? Better cut that competition out than find out later.
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Not sure if that’s sarcasm or not but I have used both services and they are not the same experience. They target different groups of people.
$4.99 with Apple gets you a bunch of mediocre casual titles and a few games that might be classed as more ‘pro’. It’s aimed at casual gamers.
$14.99 with MS does still get you some average indie titles but also gets you a bunch of AAA titles both past and present, thus the higher cost. It’s aimed at more serious gamers.
Neither one is ’better’ it just depends what you want from a gaming experience and the prices reflect that.
Then when Netflix update their streaming technology they have to update several hundred individual apps
But it's already been established that Apple does give select developers additional privileges and exceptions for their apps where Apple sees a benefit to themselves in doing so.
I could be wrong but reading the main post again I cannot help but think that Apple wanted Microsoft to take their games off xcloud and put them on Apples own servers because it appears from the post that Microsoft said they would provide an iOS app that would link to Microsofts xcloud so iOS users could pick and chose the games they wanted to play but Apple said no. To some respect, Epic tried this with their app, which would have meant users browsing through Epic's portfolio of games on their servers rather than Apples. Apple had said no to Epic also.
Apple clearly do have a strangle hold on their app store.
Apple clearly do have a strangle hold on their app store.
What? What consumer rights are being undermined. In an Xbox and iPhone user. Would love to just have an app in my phone to stream my purchased games that are otherwise unavailable on my phone. How are my rights being undermined
If I want to publish an Xbox game, Microsoft will always get a share. People cannot just randomly publish games for the console without Microsoft getting a cut.
Apple's app store business model and the console gaming business model is similar. It's hypocritical to demand Apple to open up for another closed business model of console gaming.
The problem is that xCloud is basically the same thing as netflix and it is allowed. Both are just apps that are front ends to streaming entrainment content. Netflix doesnt have to put each movie individually in the store so why should Microsoft. And you cant say its because one is a game and one is movies because netflix has movies that the user has to make interactive choices in which is pretty much the same as a game.
Seems like Apple wants to release their own streaming gaming service and dont want to any competition on iOS
No chance in hell these VR goggles are a successful gaming device. Apple has no idea how to navigate gaming. They’ve proven it over and over and over.
Of course, the Microsoft platform is distributing and selling the game : app. Much like a retail shop. Why wouldn’t they get payed for it?
Yet at which point is the App Store distributing or selling Netflix videos or Spotify tracks? No point. If it was like Xbox would charge only for distributing and selling the Netflix or Spotify app if for sale … if not for sale charge for distributing and promote the app … oh but they do not charge for that … that is free.
I bet a lot would not mind buying a Netflix app or Spotify for .99. Including the Xbox app. I also bet this services would not mind paying for the app distribution or promotion. But Apple is aiming get a slice of your business … so such option is no good.
So unlike Xbox Store the App Store model is around not charging for what they distribute and sell do but for what others do distribute and sell. Which is brilliant considering the landscape of what others might distribute or sell is way wider. A miracle.
This is nothing but an attempt to something that they don’t provide a platform for, game streams, as an app … something that look like they provide a platform for, to fit a gaslighting narrative.
If Microsoft agreed with all Apple demands … in a couple of years or less people around here would be arguing that Apple provides a platform for game streaming … see how the App Store gaslight works? Would be #1 game streaming platform without the costs of investing, creating, building or promoting a game streaming platform … massive profits! All for your privacy and security.
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What money do Apple make off of Netflix? Similarly from Spotify if you pay the subscription via their site?
So the App Store is full of outright scams, some that have been running for years, from which Apple has profited handsomely.
Apple also left Facebook on the App Store even when they knew its app was (and still is) being used for human trafficking in the Middle East and genocide in Myanmar with little effort on Facebook’s part to stop it.
But letting people stream some video games is just too risky.
Uh huh.
Between this kind of crap and Tim’s special deal (overt bribe) with the Chinese Communist Party I’ve about had all the Thinking Different I can stomach.
Apple also left Facebook on the App Store even when they knew its app was (and still is) being used for human trafficking in the Middle East and genocide in Myanmar with little effort on Facebook’s part to stop it.
But letting people stream some video games is just too risky.
Uh huh.
Between this kind of crap and Tim’s special deal (overt bribe) with the Chinese Communist Party I’ve about had all the Thinking Different I can stomach.
The nuance has to do with app store terms of service -- which I know has been discussed here multiple times, but I can't exactly remember what the issue is.
Just some random criticisms thrown around to make a non-existent point.
I've already said that customers should be treated fairly, that doesn't mean exact;u alike. A businesses biggest customers (usually) enjoys perks the businesses smallest customers don't. (Usually those perks are price breaks)
Movies and music are media files. Games are applications. The App Store requires that applications are submitted for individual review, not media files. That's the difference.
If that’s the case then they should kick Jump Desktop and all the other Remote Desktop apps off the store, because they allow you to run apps in exactly the same way you’d be “running” these games.
It’s a nonsensical distinction.
This is about Apple protecting their iOS gaming profits at the expense of customer choice over how they use their devices, nothing more or else.
But, by all means, explain to me how it’s any different to stream a game from Microsoft’s cloud than it is to remote into a cloud-based Windows desktop from my iPad and play Minesweeper or solitaire.