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Microsoft Zune Phone - Holiday 2007?
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competition is good. i would like to see more companies jump in.
embarassed because of MS. get a life dude. get over it.
embarassed because of MS. get a life dude. get over it.
I never astroturf. I'm pretty open about working for Microsoft. The Zune came out last November. In fact, Wikipedia pegs the release date as being November 14, 2006.
Really? What have you had to do with it? I love hacking code on my Dash, since I get to work with C# in Visual Studio 2005 (bias alert: I work on Visual Studio). I've tried my hand at developing Palm software once or twice, and it never seemed as easy. I'd love to hear what other embedded operating systems you've worked with. Is it just an issue of logo certification? You should complain to the Windows Mobile team, if that's the case.
Cheers,
Aaron
Why so many negative replies?
If anything, this "new" product will bring some competition to the iPhone, which, for us consumers is a good thing. This could lead to Apple dropping the iPhone price zuner (haha ok, bad pun).
And since when making a phone + mp3 player is copying somebody else hard work? I say we'll see it when it comes out and then if it looks like a carbon copy of the iPhone, I will be happy to hear people bashing microsoft (it's likely I'll be one of those people).
But what if microsoft brings to us a similar device, but with the features that people have been asking to be included in the iPhone (like third party apps, gps routing, higher res screen...) at roughly the same price of the iPhone?
In that case, either the price of the iPhone goes down or the new iPhone gets a ton of new features for the same price! It's a win-win situation for us consumers!
Competition is good, people. Even if I hate microsoft, I can't wait for them to bring their iPhone clone to the party.
If anything, this "new" product will bring some competition to the iPhone, which, for us consumers is a good thing. This could lead to Apple dropping the iPhone price zuner (haha ok, bad pun).
And since when making a phone + mp3 player is copying somebody else hard work? I say we'll see it when it comes out and then if it looks like a carbon copy of the iPhone, I will be happy to hear people bashing microsoft (it's likely I'll be one of those people).
But what if microsoft brings to us a similar device, but with the features that people have been asking to be included in the iPhone (like third party apps, gps routing, higher res screen...) at roughly the same price of the iPhone?
In that case, either the price of the iPhone goes down or the new iPhone gets a ton of new features for the same price! It's a win-win situation for us consumers!
Competition is good, people. Even if I hate microsoft, I can't wait for them to bring their iPhone clone to the party.
I hate those "competition is good" comments... I can't disagree but it's not just about that. It's about mac pride and about Apple deserving success over it's competitors, especially Microsoft.
It's about Microsoft sucking and being so powerful despite their lack of creativity, originality, innovation and um... coolness
It's also about cell phones sucking because they always should have aimed at doing something like the iPhone... I guess they all are now.
So competition is good because it brought the iPhone, but that's not the point.
It's about Microsoft sucking and being so powerful despite their lack of creativity, originality, innovation and um... coolness
It's also about cell phones sucking because they always should have aimed at doing something like the iPhone... I guess they all are now.
So competition is good because it brought the iPhone, but that's not the point.
I feel like Im in the minority of us who thinks differently about this. I dont, for example, understand the negative votes. Are you voting negative because you want to say MS sucks? Well, isnt it funny that so many of you follow that novel idea by pointing out that theyre copying? Youre not only relaying something thats clichéd, which all of us already know, and that is to some extent only partially true. But youre also knowingly or unknowingly copying everyone else who already posted the same exact thing. Copier.
Instead of voting negative or seconding everyone else by saying that a device you know nothing about will suck, why not wish them well? Why not hope that whatever it is they release, if they release something, is a fantastic device? Do you really believe that Apple is better off without pressure from anyone else? Do you believe their innovations to be as simple gifts; little bit of corporate altruism, development to please people like us.
Copy. We dont know yet. Maybe theyll release something exactly the same. But even if they did copy in that sense so what. If copying is the sincerest form of flattery why arent you all preparing yourselves for a little pride fest, a bit of gloating and smiling at yourselves in mirrors? Or is that what were already doing and what wed do regardless of what MS does. Plus what should MS do instead, not enter a market just cause someone else has almost already done so, lest they be marked as copiers. You copier, no youre the copier, no you are.
Instead of voting negative or seconding everyone else by saying that a device you know nothing about will suck, why not wish them well? Why not hope that whatever it is they release, if they release something, is a fantastic device? Do you really believe that Apple is better off without pressure from anyone else? Do you believe their innovations to be as simple gifts; little bit of corporate altruism, development to please people like us.
Copy. We dont know yet. Maybe theyll release something exactly the same. But even if they did copy in that sense so what. If copying is the sincerest form of flattery why arent you all preparing yourselves for a little pride fest, a bit of gloating and smiling at yourselves in mirrors? Or is that what were already doing and what wed do regardless of what MS does. Plus what should MS do instead, not enter a market just cause someone else has almost already done so, lest they be marked as copiers. You copier, no youre the copier, no you are.
Hey!
If they unlock it or make it for Sprint.... I might just have to get it
. I might just pick up a Dell PC with Windows Vista on it to run. And about 4 GB of ram and a hitachi 1TB drive. I am selling my PowerMac and MacBook Pro and switching to Windows if I can't have an iPhone.
Nevermind... i will just get a Treo or something...
If they unlock it or make it for Sprint.... I might just have to get it
. I might just pick up a Dell PC with Windows Vista on it to run. And about 4 GB of ram and a hitachi 1TB drive. I am selling my PowerMac and MacBook Pro and switching to Windows if I can't have an iPhone. Nevermind... i will just get a Treo or something...
Lmao
Man analysts these days lol.
I think they got it ALL wrong.
Microsoft will NOT make a pocket PC phone or a smartphone hardware themselves. Costs too much and their favorite darling HTC purchases licenses like CRAZY! Microsoft will make more money off of HTC then them doing it themselves.
Case in point. There was as long rumored even spy photos of a Music Centric Pocket PC-PE (Phone Ediiton) device that was supposed to debut BEFORE hte TyTn or what Cingular calls the 8525!
Take look at news archives of Modaco or smartphonethoughts.
Trust me on this - it'll be an HTC device.
Man analysts these days lol.
I think they got it ALL wrong.
Microsoft will NOT make a pocket PC phone or a smartphone hardware themselves. Costs too much and their favorite darling HTC purchases licenses like CRAZY! Microsoft will make more money off of HTC then them doing it themselves.
Case in point. There was as long rumored even spy photos of a Music Centric Pocket PC-PE (Phone Ediiton) device that was supposed to debut BEFORE hte TyTn or what Cingular calls the 8525!
Take look at news archives of Modaco or smartphonethoughts.
Trust me on this - it'll be an HTC device.
you have got be kidding me. what a copy cat. and i thought microsoft was bad when bill gates was the CEO.......i think they're getting worse
You might want to re read the beginning of it. The Zune was just the first step of a long list of products. At most the apple iPhone only caused them to accelerate there plan to bring out the Zune phone but it is a safe bet that it had been in the pipeline from the beginning.
But well the chances of people believe that are well slim to none here. Just because M$ is starting making there own DOES NOT mean they are just coping it. Just means apple got it first. Beside it would be stupid not to make there own phone. They made the mistake once when the iPod came out and Apple corned the market and now unseating the iPod is going to be really hard for any one. They are moving in at the beginning of the expansion which is the smart thing to do.
But what is the point everyone only thinks copy cat and could not possible believe that it was already planned.
BREAKING NEWS! Spy video of the Zune phone in use!
Check it out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KNPAtGQsxoI
Check it out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KNPAtGQsxoI
I do agree MS is better at pleasing the developer in short term (Vista seems great for them) but its not long term oriented, lots of XP apps don't work on Vista (even XP certified) and windowsmobile may be the best to hack and program for but its being dumped now, ha-ha. Windows based products are easier to program for but as a direct result less secure and have a worse enduser experience.
Apple is very careful to introduce something new because pulling the plug on something is bad karma even for a simple feature and MS is known for quitting projects when they don't meet expectations, its simply bad management.
You mean like Apple copied Nokia (or any other phone-company), when they combined a music-player with a cell-phone?
This thread is high on sarcasm
OOOOOO, this has made my day! Finally a brown phone to match my brown zune, to match my ....uh.... dog
OOOOOO, this has made my day! Finally a brown phone to match my brown zune, to match my ....uh.... dog
Many have commented that Apple's early iPhone announcement has given competitors a 6-month lead time to market.
The FCC approval process takes about three months. Steve Jobs said on January 9, that Apple preferred to announce its iPhone rather than leave it to the FCC. When a mobile phone is submitted for FCC approval, the filing is public knowledge. That's how sites like phonescoop.com get some of their information about upcoming devices.
So, the "many" who are paraphrased in that sentence are mistaken about how things work.
Also, the difference between January and June is 5 months, not 6. It becomes close to a 6-month difference if it's the end of June, but until July the difference is 5 months.
I can hear all the "Competition is good for Apple, it will only push them to produce something better" argument. I'll say that is nothing but a load of donkey poo. Come on, how can anyone else produce something better than the iPhone at the moment when Apple holds 200+ patents for the product that pratically prevents anyone else inventing an iPhone killer within the next few years?
Now regarding the same argument about the iPod... Sure, Apple has the technology readily available to upgrade the 5G iPod but will they, of course they will, when they feel that it is necessary.
Competition, pfft!
Now regarding the same argument about the iPod... Sure, Apple has the technology readily available to upgrade the 5G iPod but will they, of course they will, when they feel that it is necessary.
Competition, pfft!
Hay, did anyone remembe the "target launch date" of Longh.....oops no, Vista?
well, M$ put everything in, allow you to open office files, sync with outlook, use IE, and the most important, allow 3rd party to make applications...
or perhaps, sync with xbox360...
these are functions that
iPhone won't have - though I would never want to use it 
Here's a sneak preview:
also comes in really cool colours, like ..... um, brown!
Why would you want to look like you're speaking into a turd?
Oh well. I'm sure there will be a way to change the exterior to prevent that.
Like hiding the Microsoft logo with a little sticker.
If the Zune phone isn't in development but will be out by Holiday 2007 then its going to be another half arsed product liek Zune. Base on an existing phone maybe the LG Pradia but nothing innovative. It will be, like the Zune, crap.
Apple have the initiative, everyone else is playing catch up.
I really don't have any aligience to apple but I applaud the bloke who has a go and is innovative.
Apple have the initiative, everyone else is playing catch up.
I really don't have any aligience to apple but I applaud the bloke who has a go and is innovative.
I'm pretty darn disappointed by the level of "discussion" going on in this thread. Most comments are just useless "OMG, Microsoft is copying Apple!"-drivel (nevermind the fact that we have had phones, mp3-players and combination of the two long before iPhone, so Apple is guilty of copying as well). Where is the relevant and intelligent discussion about this? Closest thing we have had is the "If it does as well as Zune, Apple has nothing to worry about". And speaking of that: brushing the Zune off like that is dumb. Complacency, look it up in your dictionary.
Let me get this straight. The execs are in initial concept meetings and they are going to have a Zune phone to market by November?
Yea right.
Now that Vista has been released, the Zune guys have obviously borrowed their calendar. "Late this year" = 2009.
ok..a balanced and fair appraisal of M$ reactions to the Iphone (and add to that any innovation from a Steve Jobs helmed Apple in the last 20 years if you like!)
1: Competition. Yes, competition is vital. It is good and it is the wonderful thing about a fair and open marketplace.
However, when your main rival has begun operating at the level of a far eastern sweat shop and churning out soulless reactive products you no longer have competition - you have a form of piracy in the oldest term of the word. Ships on the high sea and all that.
However, this is actually not the problem - Steve Jobs can prosper from this, Apple will become resolute and strong but it's the uninformed consumer that's getting the big shaft. 'mom and pop' who don't know any better and get caught up in the micro-lies and go and lay out hard earned money on a product they believe is 'cheaper' and 'better' only to find they can't use it or it just blows their brains trying to find the 'receive calls' checkbox which is defaulted to off and buried ten layers deep in some subterranean preferences. This is what really annoys me. If M$ made products as amazing and as innovative as Apple I'd be thrilled - I genuinely would!!. Then we'd really have a fight on our hands and we'd get some amazing products.
I have always felt that the world lost something when Windows rose to take the 95%. They got served 'second best' - maybe they got what they 'chose' I don't know - but I wish dearly for the majority to see they can really enjoy computing and that it can really change the world, which is Steve's vision. Bill's it would appear is simply to 'win at all costs' - subtly different.
Computers are in their infancy - they really are and the future of mankind is getting bogged down in mega-crap - do we 'compute' with honor and dignity with elegant and visionary products or do we 'compute' like snakes in the mud lying and stealing and sending in ninjas and stuff to shutdown the competition - bullying ordinary folks to win the market to win - to just win!
we simply can't let 'the brat' become 'the man'...Can we:??? I thought the civilized world didn't tolerate bullies ? or was I wrong ?
1: Competition. Yes, competition is vital. It is good and it is the wonderful thing about a fair and open marketplace.
However, when your main rival has begun operating at the level of a far eastern sweat shop and churning out soulless reactive products you no longer have competition - you have a form of piracy in the oldest term of the word. Ships on the high sea and all that.
However, this is actually not the problem - Steve Jobs can prosper from this, Apple will become resolute and strong but it's the uninformed consumer that's getting the big shaft. 'mom and pop' who don't know any better and get caught up in the micro-lies and go and lay out hard earned money on a product they believe is 'cheaper' and 'better' only to find they can't use it or it just blows their brains trying to find the 'receive calls' checkbox which is defaulted to off and buried ten layers deep in some subterranean preferences. This is what really annoys me. If M$ made products as amazing and as innovative as Apple I'd be thrilled - I genuinely would!!. Then we'd really have a fight on our hands and we'd get some amazing products.
I have always felt that the world lost something when Windows rose to take the 95%. They got served 'second best' - maybe they got what they 'chose' I don't know - but I wish dearly for the majority to see they can really enjoy computing and that it can really change the world, which is Steve's vision. Bill's it would appear is simply to 'win at all costs' - subtly different.
Computers are in their infancy - they really are and the future of mankind is getting bogged down in mega-crap - do we 'compute' with honor and dignity with elegant and visionary products or do we 'compute' like snakes in the mud lying and stealing and sending in ninjas and stuff to shutdown the competition - bullying ordinary folks to win the market to win - to just win!
we simply can't let 'the brat' become 'the man'...Can we:??? I thought the civilized world didn't tolerate bullies ? or was I wrong ?