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Thats exactly how I feel.. The commercials aren't bad at all, but I'm still not buying Vista! It's not about hating Microsoft or PCs, it's about their products. The fact is that Windows Vista was poorly conceived and executed, as is Windows Mobile. They should be spending their time and effort improving the software, and not trying to change the public's perception of that software.

I would be surprised if even the MS ludites didn't agree with you on that.But I guess they're probably in line right now to scream more BS.
 
I would be surprised if even the MS ludites didn't agree with you on that.But I guess they're probably in line right now to scream more BS.

Good to know you're surprised. Ignorance brings surprise. :)

I use Vista and I love it as much as I love my quad-core Mac with OS X. They are both awesome tools for different types of jobs.
 
LOL sorry but you're completely off, it's waaay more than 5%. Enjoy MGS4, since it's one of the 3 worthwhile games for PS3. The 50GB thing is all hype. MGS4 is no better than Halo 3 or Gears of War. I'll enjoy my twice as large collection of games, Netflix movies, amazing Xbox Live experience, 100+ person online games, media center, etc.


You sound like a paid astroturfer except that instead of posting on Engadget you are posting on a Mac-centered website. Maybe you earn twice as much doing that.

As for Xbox Live, wow, that's great [sarcasm]...it's so awesome of an experience to have to listen to 10 year olds cuss at each other trying to act like they are older. That exceptional service was old and tired around the time of the release of Halo 2 on the original Xbox that Microsoft opted to prematurely kill off. They abandoned their owners, and as an owner of the original Xbox, when they did that, I chose to abandon them and move up to the superior PS3. Did Sony abandon the PS2 user base? Nope...they are still making PS2s and companies are still releasing titles for it. Microsoft could learn a thing or two about how they support their non-Windows clientele. Sony commits to 10 year life spans for their game systems, whether it is the PS2, PSP, or PS3. Likewise, Apple supports their owners for a long time. Case in point... my parents' eMac from 2003 can run Leopard, but how many low to mid-range PCs from 2003 can run Vista?

Netflix being available on the Xbox 360 is not a selling point. The Xbox 360 is supposed to be about HD, and NetFlix's online streaming is not HD or pseudo HD. I know because I'm a NetFlix subscriber and I'd rather wait for the Blu-Ray discs to arrive via the mail so I can enjoy a real 1080p HD experience. If I wanted to settle for non-HD streaming movies on my non-Apple hardware, I'd use my TiVo and Amazon Unbox.

Regardless, all of those *amazing* features you speak of in terms of the Xbox 360 are hard to take advantage of when you are having to ship your broken Xbox 360 back to Microsoft to replace all the time. I've had my PS3 for a year and a half and it's never given me any problems. But then again, Sony costs more. There's an old adage about "you get what you pay for".
 
Good to know you're surprised. Ignorance brings surprise. :)

I use Vista and I love it as much as I love my quad-core Mac with OS X. They are both awesome tools for different types of jobs.

Wow, what else do you own an iPhone!Maybe that would be pushing the phone concept to far for you at the moment! I've got a laptop with xp,that's doesn't mean I don't hate it and only use it for when I have to.I can assure you in my experience things are a lot less convaluted on my Mac.You know the ludites weren't against progress they were against certain types of progress.Maybe if MS weren't spending $300 million on their ads they might make some substantial improvements,I wish they would. It would be great if they could make a better user experience.Maybe that might slow down their rival,Apple,who's sales are going through the roof!
 
...the mac adverts didn't actually show anything (except the actual computer - one point to Apple)...

But Microsoft doesn't make computers, so two points for Microsoft? :confused:


I bet Justin Long and John Hodgman will soon be looking for other work. I doubt very much that Apple can continue running the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

These ads from CP+B have almost overnight neutralized the "Get a Mac" series of ads. Brilliant.

Compare Hodgeman's likeable character, and Long's smug, arrogant jerk of a character -- to "real" people who are happy to say "I'm a PC".

Now when people see the Apple ads, they'll think of the Microsoft ads immediately.

Brilliant, simply brilliant. Change the landscape so that the competitor's ads make people think of your ad campaign.

Justin Long's computer ad career will disappear faster than the Dell Dude's after he was busted for pot :eek: . Which, for Justin, will be a good thing -- his acting career will tank if he's too closely associated with the Mac jerk.


Originally Posted by BRLawyer
Yep, these are good ideas for the next Mac ads, and could represent the final nails in MS's coffin...apart from the racist Seinfeld, who could stay away from any Mac marketing effort and just enjoy the easy 10 million he got from Microsoft.

LOL!!!!!!!! The final nail in MS's coffin! Because they made a record-smashing 50+ BILLION dollars this year, and keep breaking revenue records almost every single quarter! Because they sold more copies of Vista in 3 months than Apple has sold Macs in its history! I feel so bad for MS, let's all have a moment of silence. :(

It's OK, Henry -- after a while you'll learn to ignore Mr. Lawyer's mad fanboi rants. Sometimes they're bad enough to embarrass the rest of the fanbois. To most of us, he's just a Brazil Nut.... ;)
 
MS has a huge slice of the OS market and are making a higher revenue because the PC market itself is growing.But,the reason their spending this $300 million is because their percentage of that market is actually dropping.Customers are buying Macs at an increasing rate and that's putting MS on the defensive.Apples revenue for next year may come in at $40 billion to MS's $60 billion,for 2008.Don't be surprised if over the next few years MS percentage share is cut dramatically and Apples market share has grown dramatically.
Apple products are going to have substantial price cuts over the next few years and thereby compete not just in the middle to upper bracket but the substantial bargain bracket.Thats going to make Apples sales skyrocket.
As for Apple discontinueing their current ads.The only ones currently doing that is MS!Apples ads are going to increase substantialy keeping MS clearly defined as the Ludite it has has become.
 
Apples revenue for next year may come in at $40 billion to MS's $60 billion.

The only way to rationally make this comparison is to add Microsoft's revenue to HP's and Lenovo's and Dell's and Sony's (computer division) and Toshiba's (computer division) and IBM's and Supermicro's and Gateway's and Asus' and the dozens of other Intel builders.

It's meaningless (except for the fanbois) to compare Apple's hardware + software + Ipod + Iphone revenues to Microsoft's primarily software revenue. The Windows ecosystem is far, far larger.
 
The only way to rationally make this comparison is to add Microsoft's revenue to HP's and Lenovo's and Dell's and Sony's (computer division) and Toshiba's (computer division) and IBM's and Supermicro's and Gateway's and Asus' and the dozens of other Intel builders.

It's meaningless (except for the fanbois) to compare Apple's hardware + software + Ipod + Iphone revenues to Microsoft's primarily software revenue. The Windows ecosystem is far, far larger.

You really think that MS's OS is untouchable.Microsoft doesn't think that!

No,no it's vulnerable to the point of absurdity.The walls have cracks and the foundations are on SOFT ground!If you step back and see how fundamentally weak the MS building model is you might understand the nails in the coffin analogy.Apple could LEAP past MS before you know it in actual numbers of OS's sold.There's a distinctive tide away from MS and with all of the growing competition Apples market share could equal MS within the next five years.
 
You really think that MS's OS is untouchable.Microsoft doesn't think that!

No,no it's vulnerable to the point of absurdity.The walls have cracks and the foundations are on SOFT ground!If you step back and see how fundamentally weak the MS building model is you might understand the nails in the coffin analogy.Apple could LEAP past MS before you know it in actual numbers of OS's sold.There's a distinctive tide away from MS and with all of the growing competition Apples market share could equal MS within the next five years.

LOL - you and Mr. Lawyer are smoking from the same pipe - and there' no tobacco in it. Those 140 million (or is it 180 million now) copies of Vista sold clearly show that MS is collapsing ;) .

However, at least you are talking about comparing market share, not annual revenue.

Apple won't make real progress until they drop the walls. As long as The Lord God Jobs holds the Throne of Cupertino - I don't see that happening. Apple might continue to gain a few percent per year, and get into the 10% to 15% market penetration. As long as they keep the walls, though, they'll stay a niche.
 
LOL - you and Mr. Lawyer are smoking from the same pipe - and there' no tobacco in it.

However, at least you are talking about comparing market share, not annual revenue.

Apple won't make real progress until they drop the walls. As long as The Lord God Jobs holds the Throne of Cupertino - I don't see that happening. Apple might continue to gain a few percent per year, and get into the 10% to 15% market penetration. As long as they keep the walls, though, they'll stay a niche.

I am talking about revenue,admittadely the $40 billion I think Apple could make next year is about 5% more than people are estimating,I think it's closer to what will actually happen,the main reason being reduced price Macs,giving a boost a further boost to their sales.

Apple is eating away at Toshiba,Acer,HP worldwide.As their percentage of the market drops,Apples increases at a corresponding rate,meaning they are the sole gainer,a very good position to have.

Apples notebook sales are already nearly 11% and it's rate of increase is,like I said,going to be increased by new low priced products.This means Apples percentage of the market share is expanding at aproximately 50% a year already.Try imagining where they'll be in five years time,about 50% of the market share,thereby selling as many OS's as MS and a ton load of other stuff to BOOT!!

"That's true,shame your walls have so many cracks!" It's entertaining to watch them stare aimlessly out the window,watching the empire die!
 
this ad fails to give me a reason as to why I shouldn't trade in my shitbox PC for a macbook pro. As soon as I get enough money, and as soon as the new line of macbook pros rolls out, i'm getting one.
 
"Not a human doing, not a human thinking, a human being."

What a dumb thing to say... "I dont think, I dont do, I just sit there" .......kind of like my PC :D
He reminds me of the love guru.
 
Nope, that wasn't a blue screen, since those have been essentially eradicated from Windows for the last 8 years or so. Just some app that froze. It's happened at Apple keynotes too. I guess that must mean Steve's clueless too, right? :rolleyes:

*sigh*

oh please in what almanac do you get your information??? they do get Blue screens, even on Vista...and yeah I double checked this before I posted....

And sure nobody says Apple software is without bugs or crashes.......
Aren't there any Microsoft forums out there, that all those Windows boys have to hang out over here???? Tedious!
 
Screw Macs, I'm getting a PC.

Yes, me too... because, since of course all I need to do is do what everyone else is doing because I can't think for myself.

Look, I get it. And we all know it. Not all mac people design movies and draw pictures either. But mac users aren't the ones trying to shed the image here. We embrace our geekdom when we want to.

What the commercial fails to capture is that while all these people are "PCs" they are also dealing with a CRAPPY, over bloated, non-compatible, safety-impaired operating system. It's just like "The Mojave Experiment" - why not show people using Microsoft anything and show their reaction while doing so. It's going to be decidedly different than "I'm a PC" - my reaction... Whoopee ***** doo for you.

The whole I'm a Mac - I'm a PC campaign got its start as you will recall predicated on the basic premise of the simplicity of using a mac. Just try sharing a drive, wiping your disk and reformatting it and installing a new OS. Or plugging in a peripheral. Or or or or.... You're a PC. Noice. I'm a mac user and I'm happy.
 
These Macs suck!!All you Apple guys are gonna feel good till the fresh smell of death attracts your nostrils and then your gonna move ON!!

If your happy with Apple you'd behappy with any two bob con merchant.Can't you see there both(MS and Apple) jerks.Total jerks!!

Sure,do what you need to do for now for work at ease in your spare time.BUT,let's get rid of their control freak nature,give us the power we'll use it.

When you have real choice with company "hwpfi@LOL" we'll straighten out control from freedom.Now is your time to watch for the changes.@"PEACE in life"

"the wind-owes nobody liberty,but the adventurous" never forget that or you too will blow hot air into your loveless cage.

"I am the way,and the way shall set you free" There's a love that never stops and it is all powerfull forever,AMEN!

"Computers are all people,just little tiny people with microns etc!!!!"
 
You sound like a paid astroturfer except that instead of posting on Engadget you are posting on a Mac-centered website. Maybe you earn twice as much doing that.

As for Xbox Live, wow, that's great [sarcasm]...it's so awesome of an experience to have to listen to 10 year olds cuss at each other trying to act like they are older. That exceptional service was old and tired around the time of the release of Halo 2 on the original Xbox that Microsoft opted to prematurely kill off. They abandoned their owners, and as an owner of the original Xbox, when they did that, I chose to abandon them and move up to the superior PS3. Did Sony abandon the PS2 user base? Nope...they are still making PS2s and companies are still releasing titles for it. Microsoft could learn a thing or two about how they support their non-Windows clientele. Sony commits to 10 year life spans for their game systems, whether it is the PS2, PSP, or PS3. Likewise, Apple supports their owners for a long time. Case in point... my parents' eMac from 2003 can run Leopard, but how many low to mid-range PCs from 2003 can run Vista?

Netflix being available on the Xbox 360 is not a selling point. The Xbox 360 is supposed to be about HD, and NetFlix's online streaming is not HD or pseudo HD. I know because I'm a NetFlix subscriber and I'd rather wait for the Blu-Ray discs to arrive via the mail so I can enjoy a real 1080p HD experience. If I wanted to settle for non-HD streaming movies on my non-Apple hardware, I'd use my TiVo and Amazon Unbox.

Regardless, all of those *amazing* features you speak of in terms of the Xbox 360 are hard to take advantage of when you are having to ship your broken Xbox 360 back to Microsoft to replace all the time. I've had my PS3 for a year and a half and it's never given me any problems. But then again, Sony costs more. There's an old adage about "you get what you pay for".

And I bet you're being paid triple that. Uhh, whatever.

Xbox 360 also has HD movies on demand. That plus Netflix's catalog is a pretty good offering any way you slice it, not to mention you'll be able to get together with your friends or faimly online to watch them.

Yeah, I don't see what's compelling about a 100+ multiplayer game. :rolleyes:

Yeah, they should also kill the Internet because there are so many demented trolls like you. Whatever dude...

Halo 2 is still supported. You're smoking crack. I feel sorry for you. Yes of course Sony has to support the PS2, since it's still selling more units than the POS PS3.

Apple doesn't support their owners for longer than MS supports theirs. I have a 10 year machine that runs Vista, yet my 5 year old Power Mac doesn't support a whole bunch of Intel apps. Do I care? Not really.

I've had my Xbox since day 1 (3 years and going) and it's fine. Apple produced an entire line of iBooks with defective motherboards that provided CERTAIN DEATH after a certain time. I'm not going to bash them for that, they still make good products. You have to retort to theoretical rethoric to try to justify your stupid purchase of a $600 inferior product. Sad to be you. Enjoy your POS inferior product which is the joke of the industry and which has an attach rate of half of what the Xbox 360 does even when it costs double. I know it's hard when you're duped into buying a POS like that and are left out of where all the fun is happening and the good games are (and extras, i.e. GTA IV downloadable content only on Xbox) but don't take it out on MS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w
 
Wow, what else do you own an iPhone!Maybe that would be pushing the phone concept to far for you at the moment! I've got a laptop with xp,that's doesn't mean I don't hate it and only use it for when I have to.I can assure you in my experience things are a lot less convaluted on my Mac.You know the ludites weren't against progress they were against certain types of progress.Maybe if MS weren't spending $300 million on their ads they might make some substantial improvements,I wish they would. It would be great if they could make a better user experience.Maybe that might slow down their rival,Apple,who's sales are going through the roof!

Get a hold of yourself! Yes I have an iPhone. So? I love it, I love OS X, and I love Vista. They all provide me different experiences and they're each superior at different things. Why do you have to be such a fanboy? Yes, MS's specialty is not user experience, it's the developer experience, that's why there's 100 times more apps and hardware for Windows. Apple is good at the end-to-end simplified experience, MS is good at building a platform for people to create millions of different specialized apps and tools, and that's why they're the market leader. Why does one have to be better than the other? Is a BMW better than a Jet? Is a mansion better than a skyscraper? WTF fanboys?
 
oh please in what almanac do you get your information??? they do get Blue screens, even on Vista...and yeah I double checked this before I posted....

And sure nobody says Apple software is without bugs or crashes.......
Aren't there any Microsoft forums out there, that all those Windows boys have to hang out over here???? Tedious!

Yeah, you also get kernel panics in OS X. My point was that it's not the same kind of common blue screen that we all got to know and love in Windows 95 and 98. Now it's just a memory dump that you rarely get when some piece of hardware malfunctions. It's 2 very different things. Like you don't get the "bomb" anymore in OS X, even though you occasionally might get kernel panics.
 
OMFG who did they contract to make this ads?

Does this guy never learns? his ads suck! just as his operative system ... If he can´t even make an ad that makes sense, how can he expect to do a good OS
 
Get a hold of yourself! Yes I have an iPhone. So? I love it, I love OS X, and I love Vista. They all provide me different experiences and they're each superior at different things. Why do you have to be such a fanboy? Yes, MS's specialty is not user experience, it's the developer experience, that's why there's 100 times more apps and hardware for Windows. Apple is good at the end-to-end simplified experience, MS is good at building a platform for people to create millions of different specialized apps and tools, and that's why they're the market leader. Why does one have to be better than the other? Is a BMW better than a Jet? Is a mansion better than a skyscraper? WTF fanboys?

yeah call gates and balmer and get a room... if you love vista you obiously don´t know much bout OS.
 
Get a hold of yourself! Yes I have an iPhone. So? I love it, I love OS X, and I love Vista. They all provide me different experiences and they're each superior at different things. Why do you have to be such a fanboy? Yes, MS's specialty is not user experience, it's the developer experience, that's why there's 100 times more apps and hardware for Windows. Apple is good at the end-to-end simplified experience, MS is good at building a platform for people to create millions of different specialized apps and tools, and that's why they're the market leader. Why does one have to be better than the other? Is a BMW better than a Jet? Is a mansion better than a skyscraper? WTF fanboys?

Please don't take anything I say too seriously,I've only had a computer for about a year!Sorry for jabbering on,but windows is kind of sucky,No?

Surely the Ludite analogy makes sense to you,MS has turned into the modern day equivalent and Apples milking it for every cent! That's how their doing so well.
 
yeah call gates and balmer and get a room... if you love vista you obiously don´t know much bout OS.

Wow, hard to argue with such mature well thought-out arguments.

Yeah, nobody can love Vista because if they do, they're threatening your little fanboy bubble. I understand. Ever heard of live and let live? No, you have to try to impose what's good and what's cool, just like Apple with their arrogant ads. It's pathological.
 
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