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Microsoft's Prototype Multi-Touch Tablet/Booklet
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LagunaSol
macrumors 601
Please. I'm not the one who brought up the magic of streaming content to the TV through the Xbox. I only made the valid point that most of the content people are streaming these days, aside from stuff ripped from physical media, is being bought through iTunes, not through Xbox Live or any other online service. So the argument that the Xbox is somehow going to be a windfall of cash for Microsoft someday because people will be buying all their content directly from Microsoft is bogus.
Sidenote: I have a PS3 for streaming my iTunes-purchased media, not an AppleTV, so your "slave to Apple" accusation is bogus as well. Not surprising.
Once again you have shown you will move the goalposts as you see fit.
Instead of having to explain everything in detail once again, let me just say that you first claimed that what people streamed on those X-boxes were contents bought from iTunes, thus implying that that were the place most everyone got their digital content.
Not in the least. Your rhetorics, Apple-centric views, and pseudo arguments speaks for themselves. Although, I don't see how you buying your contents from iTunes in order to stream somehow makes your world and arguments revolve less around Apple?
Oh, I get it: Since you have a non-Apple product somewhere in that Apple mix, that must mean my argument is moot. Thank god, you're there to correct me when I make such outrageous claims 🙄
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
So apparently you're arguing that Microsoft plans to dominate the sales of optical discs through their Xbox platform (you know, the platform that supported the dead HD DVD format and has no answer for Blu Ray). Right? Because this is exactly what you're saying.
Good luck with that.
Yep. True fact. DIGITALLY-PURCHASED DIGITAL CONTENT. You know, exactly the same content that Microsoft hopes to dominate in order to make its Xbox profitable. Some decade. Yet right now this space is completely owned by Apple.
This is like debating a rock. I make a point, you reiterate the exact point I just made, then use phrases like "moving the goalposts" and "strawman argument" when you clearly don't know what either actually means and you have nothing of substance to add to the debate, aside from throwing out the classic "fanboy" accusation.
Enjoy your Xbox 360 and your Zune. Or whatever Uncle Ballmer tells you to use today. (Works both ways eh - how 'bout that.)
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
you right is like debating with a rock. you are the Rock.
Unlike Apple Microsoft will see potentional in a product and keep working with it to take advantage of it.
Apple on the other hand if something does not work right off the bat they drop it like a Red head step child. Apple screwed up the Cube gave up on it. Apple screwed up Apple TV and pretty much does little to improve it. Apple had the chance to enter the consul market but screwed up early on and never bother to try to fix the problem. Hell the entry cost back then were a lot less. Not the billions that Sony and MS had to pay to enter.
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
Yeah, you're right - Apple are real morons for not dumping billions into failed products year after year after year. 🙄
Perhaps you and your tag team MicroBud Pocket Lint can enlighten us all on how exactly Microsoft is going to turn the Xbox into a cash machine. Please. I would love to hear it. You both keep throwing out these broad generalities about how this is a long path to domination by Microsoft blah blah blah, yet you offer no specifics (what a surprise). Here are the existing facts to consider:
1) Apple is dominating digital downloads (which can be (and are being) streamed to Xbox or PS3 easily).
2) Nintendo is dominating the gaming market (Wii + DS) and Apple is making big gains with casual gamers with the iPhone/iPod Touch.
3) Sony will dominate the optical video market with Blu Ray - Microsoft has absolutely no stake or position in the optical disc market at all (aside from their games - see #2 above). You know, "those shiny things."
Please, tell us which niche exactly Microsoft plans to make its tens of billions of dollars in. I can't wait. Try to put something substantive into it.
*Pops some popcorn*
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
First market 3 neither the Sony nor the 360 are really in. those at best are bonus features.
You also miss a market. The 360 is not competing the casual gamer market. And the iphone/Touch are crap in those market. They are time wasting games at best. I call them good cell phone games but still cell phone games. Also that is hand held.
The market you miss is not the casual gamer market but in the game 360 is good at which is a little pass casual. Wii makes party games and damn good party games but strip out those short games Wii is not as nice. It sucks for FPS and sports games.
Microsoft and Sony compete there. Now in that area Sony has bluray over Microsoft. Microsoft beats them in teh other extra. The Microsoft arcade give the casusal games out for some people that are really nice for those quick games like the Wii. Not as nice but still really nice.
The 360 also is a great media center extender (AKA connecting computer to TV) something apple failed at and offering is complete crap.
You missed the point on apple is if something does not work right off the bat they do not even try to make it better they give up on it. They fail to use potentional that is there. Microsoft takes a project that has potentional and works on it. Apple does not.
Oh btw those nice DVR that we all love. Can you guess who makes the OS for most of those DVR's out there that allow you to stream video off one DVR to multiple TV.... if you don't know it is a Microsoft OS. In the nice system page it will tell you it is windows CE.
Stuff Microsoft is learning off the 360 they are putting into those same DVRs. makes you wonder.
you call it a failed project but I see Microsoft taking potential and making it work. Apple on the other had does not bother because they are either to blind or lack the guts to take the chance to do it.
LagunaSol
macrumors 601
In all that talk you still didn't really mention anything specific that Microsoft is going to sell en masse to compensate for its billions of dollars lost. FPS and sports games? Really??? You can only squeeze so much blood from a turnip. The turnip in this case being, of course, Halo.
So this is how it will break down (based on the way things are going now), with the winners in each category:
Apple: digital downloads (music, videos, casual games) and profitable portable hardware
Nintendo: casual gaming, family gaming, mass-market gaming and profitable gaming hardware
Sony: optical media (Blu Ray), hardcore gaming minus money lost on "loss leader" hardware
Microsoft: hardcore gaming minus money lost on "loss leader" hardware
Yeah, I can see them making trillions from that, especially when they have to lose big bucks on hardware to sell the software. 🙄
Seems Microsoft is in the very worst position of the four. Oh well.
Enjoy Planet Delusion, a place that Microsoft executives appear also to inhabit.
Let's just kick back and see how things turn out, hmm??? (Note: I remember the MicroBots talking about Microsoft dominating the console gaming market back when the original Xbox was released way back in 2001. Oops. Apparently we're in for a loooooong wait.)
DMann
macrumors 601
What evidence do you have that Microsoft will ever make back a fraction of the astronomical "investment" they have poured into a this hemorrhaging project of "epic" proportions? Had they "invested" that $26,000,000,000 over a twenty year period, with compounded interest, they would have easily earned a quarter trillion dollars. What makes you believe that any of the money, which continues to diminish with extreme subsidies, (selling at a loss to compete) and high frequency warrantee recall charges, will ever be recouped?
Rodimus Prime
macrumors G4
Please check your math again we already pointed out your poor math skills onces............ you again are WAY WAY off on it. Even at an insane 10% intersted it would still take 7 years to even get to 50bil.
so even after 20 years it still would not cross 200 bil..... And 10% is insane rate to invest at. you can expect 8% on a good year.
DMann
macrumors 601
You've said it quite clearly - Planet Delusion. Perhaps it is encapsulated by a Delusional Distortion Field. I think I'll run my company into the ground to "invest" in something that has consistently lost money year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year, after year....
DMann
macrumors 601
And come out WAY ahead of this MS abysmal venture. With compound interest rates, options, and other spreads, including bottomed out real estate investments, and small cap investments yes, one can actualy exceed what you call "10% interested", despite your reference to "math skills onces".
If you feel the need to defend this "investment," perhaps you can provide us with a revenue projection for the XBox over the next 20 years, or 60 years for that matter.
*LTD*
macrumors G4
, we miss you. 
You need to read the posts again, because you obviously don't get even the basics, or you're making a strawman on purpose.
So, which is it? A strawman on purpose, or just ignorance?
A fact is a fact. A fact cannot be untrue. By the very nature a fact is true. Perhaps it's about time you look up words like "content", "analog(ue)" and "digital".
With that said, "digital content" does not necessarily mean "downloads" as you seem to think. A CD is "digital content", just like games are, no matter if they're downloaded or store-bought.
With that remark of yours, I'm amazed you tried arguing that your world didn't revolve around Apple because you supposedly own a PS3 ...
No, you just think I make the same point as you because you're not aware of what you're saying.
LOL, this is coming from someone who argues that "digital contents" equals "iTunes Store" 🙄
It's classic for a reason.
Actually, it doesn't work both ways. I don't own consoles, and I use a Cowon D2+ for music on the go, a Beomaster 5/Beosound 5 for music at home connected digitally to two Beolab 5s. So no console for me, not for games, and not for streaming, and no Zune for me either. My telly is a small Samsung.
However, I didn't want a computer without an Expresscard, nor one with a glossy screen, and I hurt whenever I use a touch pad for prolonged periods.
Since the newer laptops from Apple have even bigger touchpads than earlier models, glossy screen, no Expresscard slot, and have relatively low resolution per inch, I decided to buy a non-Apple the last time I needed a new computer.
I ended up with a 12" 1440x900 Thinkpad X200s which has a matte screen, a 54mm wide expresscard slot, 10-13 hours of battery life, a superior keyboard and no trackpad at all.
So no, the fanboy-remarks doesn't work both ways, unfortunately for you.
Apple iTablet specs:
Apple iTablet Design and Technical Specs
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_itablet_design_and_technical_specs
Apple iTablet Design and Technical Specs
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/apple_itablet_design_and_technical_specs
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macrumors G4
*LTD*
macrumors G4
It's right there in the article:
Topolsky reports, "What happens next, however, is where the story really gets interesting. Based on what we've learned, Apple will introduce the new standard for its systems around Fall 2010 in a line of Macs destined for back-to-school shoppers -- a follow-up to the 'Spotlight turns to notebooks' event, perhaps. Following the initial launch, there are plans to roll out a low-power variation in 2011, which could lead to more widespread adoption in handhelds and cellphones. The plans from October 2007 show a roadmap that includes Light Peak being introduced to the iPhone / iPod platform to serve as a gateway for multimedia and networking outputs. While the timing doesn't line up, a low-powered Light Peak sounds like the kind of technology that would be perfect for a device with a need for broad connectivity but limited real estate for ports... like a tablet."
Not related at all, but what we really need is yet another semi-propriety pseudo standard. Let's all use a connection akin to the dock, only optical. Yup, that means even more adaptors and new peripherals for no purpose other than to skimp on the ports available on our computers. 😡
right.......so in a thread about a microsoft product you post a link to an apple related rumor? Ok now it makes sense🙄 why is it again you posted it in two separate threads?
NT1440
macrumors P6
Uh the point of light peak is to make an all in one connector to make life simpler.......
I know that's the marketing speech. However, we have firewire products, USB 2 products and soon USB 3-products. And since Apple is pushing for a single connector, there is nothing saying we get to keep at least some connections.
Call it whatever you want, but in recent years, the promise of "keeping it simple" from Apple's hand, usually means less choice for the end-user and more adaptors and incompatabilities.
But hey, the computers look simpler.
Edit:
Bold=my emphasis:
Article said:
Now, first of all, seen in the light of the ditching of numerous ports across the line and most on the MBA, it sure does sound like a single connector for "all" your needs.
Now, and here's the problem, while they apparently claim there would be no need for "double dongles", first of all you'd need a break out box (or cable set) to connect different things to. Secondly, it's optical, so you'd need something that can make it go from optical to coaxial and back. How do you (and the wanna-be journo who wrote that piece) suggest that translation taking place without a dongle?
And even IF all of a sudden we'd be able to swiftly swap all our harddrives, audio recorders and videocameras to this optical standard, if there's only one "dock", we'd _still_ need a break out box to have several things attached at the same time.
DMann
macrumors 601
Good call! LP changes the entire playing field for the industry, in terms of potentially unifying connections - data/media/power/networking via one single port and cable, at 10 Gb/sec by this time next year, and 100 Gb/sec in the not so distant future. Peripherals may likely have the option to be daisy chained, to avoid the need for a hub, although, with performance such as this, a small hub would be more than acceptable. Imagine what this would mean for editing HD media on the fly - multitasking and coordinating hard drives and interfaces at "light speeds." Although adapters will no doubt be necessary for preexistent Firewire and USB products, with performance such as this, I'd be willing to upgrade several external HDs and HD Camcorder to take advantage of this, when the time comes.