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Microsoft's xCloud and Xbox Game Pass Not Coming to iOS Due to Apple's Restrictions [Updated]
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Other gaming consoles and handhelds. Any Android device that doesn't meet spec (and MS isn't providing spec requirements).
Games are a colossal time suck. The last thing we need is gaming everywhere. They ruin minds and decrease productivity. Sorry, I know this is off topic, and I understand we are a free country and all. Y’all can choose what you do with your free time. I would love to see people spending more time socializing in person with others, reading, doing meditation and exercise, creating/building things, playing team sports as adults with others, and learning foreign languages including computer languages. Just my utopia.
Incorrect. Every single new Xbox game will be on Game Pass and xCloud.
PlayStation and Nintendo are not going to allow Microsoft Game Pass on their consoles. They are direct competitors. That isn't a matter of being widely adopted.
"Project xCloud Preview's primary requirement is Android 6.0 "Marshmallow," a former Android variant first released in 2015, or newer. "
Which phones support Xbox Game Streaming (Project xCloud)?
Here's whether your phone meets the demands of Xbox Project xCloud as streaming tests loom.
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I’ll bet there’s not one game app on the App Store that Apple isn’t making money off of. That’s what this is about. It’s not about app review or safety or security. It’s about someone being able to play games on an iOS device and Apple not making any money off it. The only reason the “reader” app category exists is because Apple couldn’t afford to lose Netflix or Spotify
Incorrect. Every single new Xbox game will be on Game Pass and xCloud.
PlayStation and Nintendo are not going to allow Microsoft Game Pass on their consoles. They are direct competitors. That isn't a matter of being widely adopted.
"Project xCloud Preview's primary requirement is Android 6.0 "Marshmallow," a former Android variant first released in 2015, or newer. "
Which phones support Xbox Game Streaming (Project xCloud)?
Here's whether your phone meets the demands of Xbox Project xCloud as streaming tests loom.
xCloud will eventually have all the same games as Game Pass. Game Pass doesn't actually have every Xbox game, nor does every Game Pass game work on every platform supported. If you go into the library right now, you'll see that each game has icons for what it's compatible with. That wouldn't be necessary if you could really expect to have access to every game on any device.
It's interesting that you're saying Sony and Nintendo are direct competitors to MS, but then saying that Apple isn't...despite that the only non-MS OS supporting xCloud is Android, which is certainly a direct competitor to Apple.
Microsoft knew that xCloud didn't meet the app review policy or the licensing policy for the App Store. I think they believe that things could potentially change in the future, thus the due diligence in creating an iOS test version. And they're capitalizing on the current trend of antitrust issues being heavily reported in the press to get some free advertising for xCloud.
Fair. But its a lot easier to check one of those apps vs checking a game that can take 20 hours to get to the malicious portion.
Then how is Apple’s reasoning justified when applied to those same apps? Apple can’t review every TV show on Netflix or song on Spotify any more than they can review every game on Xbox. How does their logic make sense?
My point is you are blaming Tim for causing these types of issues when Apple a decade ago was doing the exact same thing under Steve Jobs. It is you that needs to keep up. This whole bashing on Tim Cook things is old, a decade of complaints from people on this site.
There is a reasoning behind it. Spotify and Netflix are consumption apps, while game streaming is with interaction. Microsoft would be able to use the App Store if they only would offer their own games. You just can't stream games from other publishers.
I'm not saying that that makes it any better. That's just how I've read and understood it.
Sorry, I should have been clearer. Game Pass will have every new Microsoft first party Xbox game. When Halo: Infinite launches this fall, it will be on Game Pass and xCloud day one. The point was that this is not "all older games". The platform supported icons are for local play, not xCloud game streaming. xCloud will allow any Game Pass game to be played on any device where xCloud is available.
Huh? The fact that the "only non-MS OS supporting xCloud is Android" is because of Apple and the very topic of this thread.
Microsoft is not a direct competitor to iPhone like Android is. They are certainly not competition to Apple like PlayStation and Switch are to Xbox in the console space. Regardless, xCloud's absence on those platforms isn't a matter of "widespread acceptance" no more than Apple not allowing xCloud on iOS is.
As a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass Ultimate, Apple is really decreasing the value of my iPhone and iPad to me here.
I would appreciate it if they focused on giving me a great user experience instead of leveraging their market power to keep competition out.
I would appreciate it if they focused on giving me a great user experience instead of leveraging their market power to keep competition out.
But that is not the intent of a Social Media app. Where it is the intent of the Credit Card stealing app I could release.
Its all based on intent, and actually reviewing the app. Just like I cannot use Dropbox or a similar service to offer pirated content. If I get discovered, my account is shut down. Its not the intent of Dropbox to allow this.
You can say that any piece of software can be used for bad, but like I said, it is all based on intent. Allowing Facebook is fine because the intention of the app is to communicate with your family and friends. Not to steal credit cards.
Me releasing a game that takes 10+ hours to get to the credit card stealing portion is different. Apple cannot be expected to test all of these games.
And there is definitely a difference between movies/tv and games.
Movies/TV, other than some edge cases, are only consumable video and audio streams. A point to click adventure like some people are saying equals a game is not really a game.
A game, on the other hand, is something that can be 100+ hours (Final Fantasy and Persona times for me). They typically respond to input 30 or 60 times every second. Some of them ask for input, like Minecraft when labeling signs, or other games where you can label your character.
There cannot be a malicious movie or tv show that prompts for credit card details, or some other malicious activity.
This can happen on xCloud though or similar services. Unless you are all for allowing this because its Microsoft, but not allowing one I create because I am a small business.
Again, its all about the intent. Like I said from a reply to a comment. There can certainly be some social engineering going on to cause some malicious activity on Facebook for example. But that is not the intent of what Facebook is. Its to connect with family and friends. Facebook is not to steal credit cards or do any malicious activity.
Like with Netflix, the 99% intention of movies and TV other than the ONE I have seen (might be more), its purely consumption. You receive and audio/video stream, that builds a buffer that allows you to pause or control where in the stream you are. It is not the intention of a movie or TV show to prompt for user input and ask for credit card details. If something like that were to happen, I would think Apple would remove Netflix if Netflix does not remove the problem content in time. Just like when Apple shut down Facebook's app in 2019.
Wow, that’s a reach. So why not review the Netflix app for its content? It’s an app, after all, with the same issue of uncontrollable content. There’s no distinction between the two apps that matters here - both stream content (one is interactive, yes) that can change without an App Store review. Trying to classify the streamed games as apps is again an incredibly tenuous argument.
What are your thoughts on Minecraft? I think this is one of the better games for kids as they can express their creativity by building things.
This is one of the better arguments I’ve seen, but I think it probably comes down to Apple wanting a cut of whatever income stream may show up in the streamed games.
Incorrect. Every single new Xbox game will be on Game Pass and xCloud.
PlayStation and Nintendo are not going to allow Microsoft Game Pass on their consoles. They are direct competitors. That isn't a matter of being widely adopted.
"Project xCloud Preview's primary requirement is Android 6.0 "Marshmallow," a former Android variant first released in 2015, or newer. "
Which phones support Xbox Game Streaming (Project xCloud)?
Here's whether your phone meets the demands of Xbox Project xCloud as streaming tests loom.
But people are saying this is a direct competitor to Apple Arcade. Why does Sony and Nintendo get a pass but Apple can't?
You’re generalising heavily. Games vary a lot and can be just as powerful an experience as other forms of story telling these days.
If what you're saying regarding the game library is true, then MS has a terrible marketing team. None of what you're vouching for is actually mentioned on the xCloud promotional site. They just say generic things like "over 100 games" and don't bother to mention Halo:Infinite being available day one.
The idea that Microsoft isn't a direct competitor with Apple doesn't make any sense. They've tried to compete directly with Apple in all kinds of things (iPod, iPhone, Microsoft Stores) and still compete directly with Windows and computer hardware, like laptops and all-in-one desktops.
Its possible, but they do offer Steam Link and Shadow I think? The difference here is that they link to systems that you control. Just like Remote Desktop app does. Difference with Shadow is you have a Windows 10 system you control in the cloud. If you have a malicious game, its on you for buying it on Steam then trying to play it using Steam Link.
xCloud is not a system you control.
Yeah, it is quite confusing tbh (but then again, we shouldn't be too surprised given their console console naming approach
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Yeah, I think xCloud could work if MS could guarantee that the games didn't have microtransactions - I wonder if this was discussed.
Netflix app: provides streaming access to movies and TV shows, which are not apps
xCloud app: provides streaming access to games, which are apps
That's a fairly clear distinction.
They have said all first party games will be on Game Pass day one. xCloud consists of Game Pass games.
Yes, they are competitors in some segments but not all. Microsoft isn't competing with Apple with their own mobile platform at all. Yes, they have tried "in all kinds of things" and failed in many. You might as well say Sega is still competing with PlayStation in the console space because they "tried" to in the past.