Ming-Chi Kuo Casts Doubt on iPhone SE 2, Expects Few Changes Should New Model Launch

[Count Blah]

Very good. The SE is good as it is, just lower the price again

Yep, just like the Mac Mini - no need to update them for years and years and years and ...

 

[Tech198]

So again, you think that 4 iPhone models are too many?

It's irrelevant of what I think as I don't cater for everyone... , but ya,, i reckon 4 is too many.

 

[dukebound85]

Nearly $1 trillion market cap, can't make more than four phones. Insanity.

Right? Every other smaller company seems to be able to!

 

[GTO]

I hope they keep the SE form factor exactly as is, including the headphone jack. Absolutely love the SE,

 

[toddzrx]

After all, it a budget iPhone, so Apple does not have to improve much is what Ming Chi Kuo saying. I surprise that Apple is still selling the SE model given it new design direction of face ID, edge to edge screens, etc...

Apple still sells it because people are still buying it, period.

 

[Alch3mist]

I want a new iPhone C to replace the SE (7c? 8c? Xc? lol). Plastic. One of the most original iPhone designs of recent years. I loved my white 5c while I had it. Beautiful phone. Also plastic was a great way to differentiate the lineup between pro and affordable.

Iphone SE IIc (Throwback)

 

[MartiNZ]

And SE 30 in about 50 years' time?

 

[dampfnudel]

I'm happy with a newer processor.

You’re selling yourself short.

 

[Ritodee]

An iPhone SE 2 would do! iPhone X is an scam. I am keeping mine to remind me I am not inmune in doing very stupid tings in life. The iPhone X is a compilation of things you do not need that you already have... but worse.

I disabled face ID.... it takes too long and is faster to insert the code any way.

The button on the right side has to be combined with the buttons on the left and is confusing, you want to shut down the phone and you end up taking a screen shot and having to click 2 more times to delete that picture and shooting down the phone again. They are not easy to tell which one is what with your fingers.

The only "good" thing is the camera compared to other iPhones BUT Samsung is way superior, that means that for $1000 we are not getting the best on the market at all.

Then... is made of glass, it will break. My iPhone 5 lasted until last December, never had a broken glass and I stopped using because Apple like to sabotage their own technology to make us buy new overrated, crap.

And that was at a glance. Any of the applications running on the X could run on the 5 with no problem. No need for the such new processing or anything, maps still maps, yahoo and google too.

Get the iPhone SE 2, it is smaller, if it has aluminum frame is way better! And that is it.

[doublepost=1517282826][/doublepost]Anyone who thinks it is faster to enter the code than to use face id must NOT have an iphone x. The face id is almost instant, there is no way you could type in a code instantly. New technology requires learning new methods to use the phone. I buy the new iphone each year since the original lauch, and the iphone x is without a doubt the most superior iphone ever created. Yeah, it costs a little bit more, what 15 bucks a month more on my annual replacement plan. Well worth it, well worth it.

 

[HarryWild]

The article states that Apple just does not have the resources currently to bring out 4 new iPhones models. But Chinese and India manufacturers that are 1/100 the size of Apple can do 10 new model smartphones every year! Why is Apple's limited only 3 new models iPhones?
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Its a little hard to believe squeezing new chips and a charging coil into an old shell will hog up to much of Apples resources. If they wanna update the SE, they will.

It not like it cutting edge technology they are doing! It two or three year old Apple iPhone components they are installing. the SE2! They are smaller in size!

 

[MartyvH]

I have friends who have the original IPhone SE that are looking for an upgrade. Apple’s current lineup and prices are beyond what they want or can pay. If this is true then they will probably move to Android.

I come from Androidland and had Android phones for 6 years until last September. Right now it's wall-to-wall giant phones over there. When you're on a good thing (the SE), stick to it. The attractive features in new phones are only incremental now. Performance is ample in the SE. There is no upgrade out there to look for. We know there are 3 new iPhone models coming and they are gigantic. They are not a new SE. Sit tight.

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[UL2RA]

If that was true, it would have been done. But Apples never made as many products as others, because they want to simplify everything in choosing.

Fewer products are easier to manage then too many products and must cater for a larger section with updates etc..

I wouldn't say 'ignoring' anyone... by not updating for a long time, to me that always mean a 'shift' (end of life, or just putting it out on the fence to dry)

Until Apple does prove it at WWDC that is.

The current Mac Pro is an example of them completely ignoring the entire Pro market. Not updating the Mac Pro for years at a time while continuing to charge the same price point is also not good. There's nothing to really defend there.

 

[JPack]

The article states that Apple just does not have the resources currently to bring out 4 new iPhones models. But Chinese and India manufacturers that are 1/100 the size of Apple can do 10 new model smartphones every year! Why is Apple's limited only 3 new models iPhones?
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The difference is Apple custom designs a lot of their own chips and uses a lot of semi-custom silicon. They probably spend 10x more than competitors to get that extra 10% performance.

This is why when you Google for the chip part numbers in any iPhone, there is no datasheet for them. Apple orders a lot of semi-custom silicon. Most competitors use off the shelf sensors, power management IC, and rely on Qualcomm.

 

[UL2RA]

I come from Androidland and had Android phones for 6 years until last September. Right now it's wall-to-wall giant phones over there. When you're on a good thing (the SE), stick to it. The attractive features in new phones are only incremental now. Performance is ample in the SE. There is no upgrade to look for.

I would totally switch to an edge to edge SE if it were the same size. My tiny Trump hands prefer smaller phones. The X is just a teensy bit too big for me.

 

[Askolan]

Wow he’s really throwing crap at the wall hoping something will stick. Interesting too that these rumors come out just a few days before earnings release. Somebody wants the stock lower. And they’re succeeding. Apple stock is down about 7% in the last week or so.

I have Apple stock, albeit a small amount, but I still don't want it lower. But the Apple as of late is different than the Apple I invested in years ago. Cook needs to wake up and smell the freakin coffee. He is too scared of Icahn and these other activist investors and is just making stupid decisions. On the other hand, you do know how Jobs felt about Wall st, right?

 

[MartyvH]

I would totally switch to an edge to edge SE if it were the same size.

I would too in time, if it was there. But it's not like 2011 anymore when smartphones were just pretend smartphones. They really do the job now with ample performance and storage.

 

[JPack]

Lack of spending on those resources, it would be pretty pathetic for Apple to only be capable of working on one iPhone at a time ever year.. they don’t exactly have a large portfolio of products.

Apple spends a lot of their resources on iOS, tvOS, and WatchOS. Other manufacturers rely on Google.

Apple also spends a lot of R&D on semi-custom silicon. Other manufacturers rely on Qualcomm.

Then there are Apple services including iCloud, Maps, Music, TV.

The smartphone will mature within the next decade just like the PC did several years ago. Apple is putting out 3 phones this year but even if they decided to put out 6, it won't make much of a difference. Apple is targeting mind share, not market share.

 

[mtneer]

Ming just guesses every possible combination, and just like a broken clock being right twice a day, goes on to claim that she is some great diviner of Apple's plans.

 

[JPack]

Ming just guesses every possible combination, and just like a broken clock being right twice a day, goes on to claim that she is some great diviner of Apple's plans.

6.1" LCD, 3GB RAM, and no 3D Touch seems very specific to me.

No SE2 for Q2'18 is also a very specific prediction.

 

[macfacts]

I hope not! My iPhone 5s needs a replacement, and I don't want to have a large phone nor spend 1160+ euro.

So buy the iPhone SE 1.

 

[makingdots]

An iPhone SE 2 would do! iPhone X is an scam. I am keeping mine to remind me I am not inmune in doing very stupid tings in life. The iPhone X is a compilation of things you do not need that you already have... but worse.

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Get the iPhone SE 2, it is smaller, if it has aluminum frame is way better! And that is it.

No way I would get a smaller phone after having the 8 Plus. Maybe just don't shove your preference to everyone?

 

[Black Tiger]

iPhone SE is a niche relative to Apple’s other offerings. Part of the appeal, I would have to guess, is the now-iconic look of the iPhone 4 and 5 with updated tech. A higher res screen, better camera and processor are likely good bets. But a substantial aesthetic change would defeat the point. It’s the iPhone equivalent to the iPod classic.

 

[dumastudetto]

Nearly $1 trillion market cap, can't make more than four phones. Insanity.

They certainly could refresh the SE if they wanted to, but Apple rarely wastes much time and precious resources on the lower-end stuff that comes at a lower cost to consumers. It might get spec bumped at some point eventually, but it's never going to be a high priority.

 

[JPack]

They certainly could refresh the SE if they wanted to, but Apple rarely wastes much time and precious resources on the lower-end stuff that comes at a lower cost to consumers. It might get spec bumped at some point eventually, but it's never going to be a high priority.

Look at the primary market for SE. It’s India, Indonesia and other SE Asian countries.

Apple’s market share in India remains at 2.5%. The country is simply not ready for a refreshed and more expensive SE. Apple’s goal is to continue to drive down the cost of SE. A refresh doesn’t serve that purpose.

The consumers looking for a small 4” is a small minority. The top selling iPhone in India is SE not because the people there have a strange liking for small phones. It’s becuse of cost. Apple is looking to raise ASPs. They can’t do that with small phones nor is there a market.

 

[Grey Area]

I come from Androidland and had Android phones for 6 years until last September. Right now it's wall-to-wall giant phones over there. When you're on a good thing (the SE), stick to it. The attractive features in new phones are only incremental now. Performance is ample in the SE. There is no upgrade out there to look for. We know there are 3 new iPhone models coming and they are gigantic. They are not a new SE. Sit tight.

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Same here, I replaced my broken Android with an SE primarily due to the size, and the update policy second. The differences between the operating systems are negligible to me, and otherwise I slightly prefer Android (more interesting hardware choices, expandable memory, no iTunes). But the Androids are all getting way too big now, and the iPhones may be heading there, too. It is frustrating, and I hope it is just a fad.